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#276959 - 2018-06-11 10:04 Recessing TV into stud wall
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A couple of years back, I set up a HT for a friend - 80" Sony 4K and Meridian 568/DSP based sound, etc. All good. However, now she's concerned about making the thing look prettier (I personally think it looks awesome, but, you know...).

Specifically, she doesn't want the TV just on a stand above the equipment rack, in between the speakers. She was going to build a big storage unit right along the rear wall to stand that on, hide equipment rack, store DVDs, etc. However, this would go right behind speakers and I've cautioned it might create a big 'bass box'. Since the room is large and, without any kidding, the most acoustically awesome room I've ever heard even without treatments (just a fluke of the right dimensions/construction, etc.), I'm loathe to do anything that might screw with this.

Therefore, she decided it might be good to leave speakers where they are, move the equipment rack off to the side, and recess the TV into the stud wall (the TV mount would be anchored into a solid stone wall behind the stud cavity). I guess a little like this: in-wall TV

This presents two issues, which I have to come up with a solution for -

- What is the correct way to recess a TV in this way? I'm thinking of some kind of back-box to prevent dust and crud in the roof cavity just getting into the TV vents, but equally, enough ventilation to allow the TV not to overheat? Are there model-specific solutions to this (much like Meridian's in-wall DPS installation 'boxes'?

- In terms of wiring, she wants to run from behind the TV under the floorboards to where the equipment rack will be. I can make up long runs of digital coaxial, as I own the correct crimp tools for Belden 1694a/Canare RCAP, and comms shouldn't be a problem to wire. I've run Blue Jeans HDMI longer than 10m so that shouldn't be a problem. However, at present, there is a Toslink optical connection from the TV to the 586 for Netflix streaming, BBC iPlayer, etc., from the Smart TV. I'm dubious about running that any kind of distance, but is this fear unfounded?

- I'm tempted to run the cabling through the ceiling space instead of under floor, for easier access in case of needing to change anything. Any caveats to this? Would you put the cables in conduit to prevent, e.g., rodent damage (converted barn, not part of the main house)? Is there 'nice' looking conduit to run down the wall for a period building instead of the usual awful white rectangular plastic?

Any advice or BTDT most welcome! Or if anyone has any other smart ideas about making the TV less obtrusive in the room without recessing into the wall, I'm all ears!


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#276960 - 2018-06-11 10:29 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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Hi 3dit0r

I would go for the LG wallpaper tv no back box, no overheating concerns and truly stunning to look at.

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Edited by Ratbert; 2018-06-11 10:32.
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#276961 - 2018-06-11 10:48 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Ratbert]
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Russ,

Thanks, it's a good suggestion. I suggested a projector with drop down screen (and DSP520s) myself, but she uses in the daytime as well as evenings and there are no curtains, lots of windows, South facing room, white walls, so pretty much a no-go there.

Unfortunately, a change in TV isn't on the cards as she spent £5000 two years ago on this top of the range Sony (which is 75" now I've looked again, KD75XD9405) and understandably she's not prepared to take the depreciation hit.

So I have to focus on trying to minimise the visual intrusion of the current hardware, rather than changing it. I just came across this sliding door enclosure which I'll suggest, minus the storage underneath. Might be nice to hide TV when not in use with paint/artwork on the front of the sliding doors?

Cheers,

James


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#276962 - 2018-06-11 11:51 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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I suggest installing Samsung’s The Frame. It’s specifically designed for your situation.

When not being used as a television it displays artwork. Available in 43”, 55”, and 65”.

My daughter owns the 43” version. She is really pleased with it. I was impressed by it too.


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#276964 - 2018-06-11 12:23 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: spinaltap]
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Thanks, again a good suggestion, but see my reply to Russ' suggestion above - unfortunately changing the TV itself is not an option...


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#276966 - 2018-06-11 13:13 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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I'm all for gender equality but the world has gone mad.

HHers having to sell beautiful 5200's and put tiddly speakers on shelves

HHers needing to hide tellies in walls.

Whatever next !?!?!

I may retrain as a lawyer.

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#276967 - 2018-06-11 14:01 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: ncpl]
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I love the idea of a new legal practise focusing on man-toy/decor domestic disputes; you might find yourself inundated with clients!

Fortunately, it’s not me who has to hide the TV, Kate is into our system. I’m a lucky man.

This is for a friend, and I think I’ve done well (so far) to talk her out of building the ‘bass box’ wall cupboards; trying to find a different solution to this before all my previous work (and a great sounding system) is burned at the altar of House and Garden.

She’s been happy with it up to this point, but now she’s got the idea in her head that it’s ‘ugly’. She rather likes the piano white 5Ks which I sold her (they are bloody nice to be fair), but it’s the TV and to a lesser degree the equipment rack I think she’d like hidden, or lessened to a degree.


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#276968 - 2018-06-11 14:44 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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Originally Posted By 3dit0r
...unfortunately changing the TV itself is not an option...

Then, try this.


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#276969 - 2018-06-11 14:55 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: spinaltap]
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That is very cool, I'll pass that on, thank you!

It does look superficially to me as though that still requires the TV to be recessed, though?


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#276970 - 2018-06-11 14:57 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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Crap. Just noticed the price - 75" art frame is around $8500! I doubt she'll go for that, but will pass on the idea anyway...


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#276971 - 2018-06-11 15:01 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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I previously saw Music Matters (PP) demonstrate the system. It wasn’t recessed.

There are other companies in the market.


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#276972 - 2018-06-11 15:10 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: spinaltap]
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Future Automation have some stunning solutions at a price, new tv maybe cheaper!


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#276974 - 2018-06-11 15:27 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Ratbert]
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I personally do like the 'slide to reveal' artwork solution, but would just do it manually rather than spending thousands on automation (which I'm sure she won't spend on this). She has a pet carpenter who I'm sure could do a manual version, and what she does spend money on is art, so could definitely hang something there, or get something commissioned, I expect?

Most of these still require recessing to look like art just hanging on a wall, so if anyone has any idea about my install questions in terms of the practicalities of recessing TV/cable management, that would be great.

Wish I could think of a way to hide the system rack on the same wall too, as it would save running cables around so much to start with...!


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#276976 - 2018-06-11 15:49 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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False wall?


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#276977 - 2018-06-11 16:17 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Ratbert]
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I’ll suggest that, thanks.


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#276979 - 2018-06-11 17:41 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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How deep is the wall? Will it accommodate a tv and mount plus electrical? If it can, the space can be framed like a window with a plywood back to shoot the mount to. Ideally if deep enough an articulating mount would be ideal for service and allowing the millwork to be tight to the tv.


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#276980 - 2018-06-11 18:01 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Thanks Bruce, that’s a really good thought about still having an articulating mount of allow service/change of wires, etc.

Would you just drill a few vent holes in the plywood boxing to give the TV sufficient cooling?


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#276983 - 2018-06-11 19:09 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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I would put a couple of ducts in to suck the air up out of the box while the tv is on and dump it up into the attic. This can be done with a current sensing outlet.


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#276986 - 2018-06-11 21:03 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Thanks, will look into that.

Already heard back from some of the suggestions - she doesn't want a sliding fixture of any sort, just to recess the TV into the wall and hide the cables to the equipment rack which will be off to the side.

Will have to see if I can tell the depth of the stud partition next, and go from there...


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#276992 - 2018-06-12 06:28 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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It's probably 4" stud wall


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#276993 - 2018-06-12 06:48 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Ian]
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I’ll check with the builder who did the barn conversion, but yes, I reckon 4” is a fair bet too. I’ll have to pop down and measure up the depth of the TV today and see if it’s going to be enough to recess it, including all cabling and a mount, etc...

Will have to get a spark in to wire in mains power, too.

I wish there were a really nice TV cupboard/rack type solution she’d go for, which fit in with the decor (sort of a retro 60’s/70’s seaside barn look, but I’ve never come across one quite like it and not sure she’d go for it anyway.


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#276994 - 2018-06-12 07:02 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Ian]
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Hi,

I am member on here personally but my company AV Deluxe & Cinema Deluxe is a Merdian dealer & involved in Custom Instalation i.e smart homes, cinemas, lighting etc with a background in the building industry, we have recessed quite few tv’s etc so would be able to mange the project from start to finish. I see you are based in the south, we are based in East Sussex. If you would like to discuss please pm me & I wil reply with an email & contact number to discuss.

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#276995 - 2018-06-12 07:50 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Cinema_Deluxe]
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Thanks for the heads-up. Believe me, I wish she would pay a pro installer - I tried to get her to use Rick the first time around, but she wouldn’t.

So hence me trying to sort it...


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#276996 - 2018-06-12 08:03 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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Your welcome,

But if you do need some onsite advice I would be pleased to help.


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#276998 - 2018-06-12 08:04 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Cinema_Deluxe]
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Much appreciated, thank you!


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#276999 - 2018-06-12 08:55 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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Internal stud walls vary, depending how high they are and or how big the room was. normally a 2" stud is fitted, with Kingspan fitted between the studs and an air gap behind, which varies, one reason: the original barn wall may not be plumb.

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#277001 - 2018-06-12 09:52 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Shaun]
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Shaun, thanks. Clearly I have some investigation to do. If it's only 2" the simple recess clearly won't be an option, so it'll be good to know.

I can confirm for sure that the walls and ceiling aren't plumb, the TV already looks crooked to either the floor/ceiling, depending on how you try to level the existing stand...


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#277015 - 2018-06-12 11:31 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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How large is the wall? Might be worth looking into building it out to accommodate the recessed tv and would give you the ability to have a nice chase for wires and ventillation. You mentioned she had a carpenter buddy.


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#277016 - 2018-06-12 11:40 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Yeah, he's a general builder but able to do basic carpentry, I think. Same guy who did the barn conversion to begin with, so he should know depth of stud, etc.

I agree that would probably be the best way to go, though. Annoying thing is it could have been done this way to begin with, but not what she wanted at the time!

I think the next step might be to get myself, her and him in the actual room and try to thrash some of this out and come up with a solution which works from all angles.


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