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#276959 - 2018-06-11 10:04 Recessing TV into stud wall
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A couple of years back, I set up a HT for a friend - 80" Sony 4K and Meridian 568/DSP based sound, etc. All good. However, now she's concerned about making the thing look prettier (I personally think it looks awesome, but, you know...).

Specifically, she doesn't want the TV just on a stand above the equipment rack, in between the speakers. She was going to build a big storage unit right along the rear wall to stand that on, hide equipment rack, store DVDs, etc. However, this would go right behind speakers and I've cautioned it might create a big 'bass box'. Since the room is large and, without any kidding, the most acoustically awesome room I've ever heard even without treatments (just a fluke of the right dimensions/construction, etc.), I'm loathe to do anything that might screw with this.

Therefore, she decided it might be good to leave speakers where they are, move the equipment rack off to the side, and recess the TV into the stud wall (the TV mount would be anchored into a solid stone wall behind the stud cavity). I guess a little like this: in-wall TV

This presents two issues, which I have to come up with a solution for -

- What is the correct way to recess a TV in this way? I'm thinking of some kind of back-box to prevent dust and crud in the roof cavity just getting into the TV vents, but equally, enough ventilation to allow the TV not to overheat? Are there model-specific solutions to this (much like Meridian's in-wall DPS installation 'boxes'?

- In terms of wiring, she wants to run from behind the TV under the floorboards to where the equipment rack will be. I can make up long runs of digital coaxial, as I own the correct crimp tools for Belden 1694a/Canare RCAP, and comms shouldn't be a problem to wire. I've run Blue Jeans HDMI longer than 10m so that shouldn't be a problem. However, at present, there is a Toslink optical connection from the TV to the 586 for Netflix streaming, BBC iPlayer, etc., from the Smart TV. I'm dubious about running that any kind of distance, but is this fear unfounded?

- I'm tempted to run the cabling through the ceiling space instead of under floor, for easier access in case of needing to change anything. Any caveats to this? Would you put the cables in conduit to prevent, e.g., rodent damage (converted barn, not part of the main house)? Is there 'nice' looking conduit to run down the wall for a period building instead of the usual awful white rectangular plastic?

Any advice or BTDT most welcome! Or if anyone has any other smart ideas about making the TV less obtrusive in the room without recessing into the wall, I'm all ears!


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#276960 - 2018-06-11 10:29 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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Hi 3dit0r

I would go for the LG wallpaper tv no back box, no overheating concerns and truly stunning to look at.

Russ


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Edited by Ratbert; 2018-06-11 10:32.
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#276961 - 2018-06-11 10:48 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: Ratbert]
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Russ,

Thanks, it's a good suggestion. I suggested a projector with drop down screen (and DSP520s) myself, but she uses in the daytime as well as evenings and there are no curtains, lots of windows, South facing room, white walls, so pretty much a no-go there.

Unfortunately, a change in TV isn't on the cards as she spent £5000 two years ago on this top of the range Sony (which is 75" now I've looked again, KD75XD9405) and understandably she's not prepared to take the depreciation hit.

So I have to focus on trying to minimise the visual intrusion of the current hardware, rather than changing it. I just came across this sliding door enclosure which I'll suggest, minus the storage underneath. Might be nice to hide TV when not in use with paint/artwork on the front of the sliding doors?

Cheers,

James


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#276962 - 2018-06-11 11:51 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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I suggest installing Samsung’s The Frame. It’s specifically designed for your situation.

When not being used as a television it displays artwork. Available in 43”, 55”, and 65”.

My daughter owns the 43” version. She is really pleased with it. I was impressed by it too.


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#276964 - 2018-06-11 12:23 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: spinaltap]
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Thanks, again a good suggestion, but see my reply to Russ' suggestion above - unfortunately changing the TV itself is not an option...


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#276966 - 2018-06-11 13:13 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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I'm all for gender equality but the world has gone mad.

HHers having to sell beautiful 5200's and put tiddly speakers on shelves

HHers needing to hide tellies in walls.

Whatever next !?!?!

I may retrain as a lawyer.

smile


Rgds,
Nick

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#276967 - 2018-06-11 14:01 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: ncpl]
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I love the idea of a new legal practise focusing on man-toy/decor domestic disputes; you might find yourself inundated with clients!

Fortunately, it’s not me who has to hide the TV, Kate is into our system. I’m a lucky man.

This is for a friend, and I think I’ve done well (so far) to talk her out of building the ‘bass box’ wall cupboards; trying to find a different solution to this before all my previous work (and a great sounding system) is burned at the altar of House and Garden.

She’s been happy with it up to this point, but now she’s got the idea in her head that it’s ‘ugly’. She rather likes the piano white 5Ks which I sold her (they are bloody nice to be fair), but it’s the TV and to a lesser degree the equipment rack I think she’d like hidden, or lessened to a degree.


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#276968 - 2018-06-11 14:44 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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Originally Posted By 3dit0r
...unfortunately changing the TV itself is not an option...

Then, try this.


My Mac can go all the way to XI - Mac user since 1988 - Meridian owner since 1993.
Music: M6, 218, 504, 506.2, AC12, SBT, LMS
Movies: Loewe Bild7.55, ATV4K, B&W PV-1
Stored: Meridian 551/555/A500/Director. 2x5m VDH Teatrack, Mission Elegante e82/e81/e8c, Yamaha 5.1 Receiver & DVD Player.
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#276969 - 2018-06-11 14:55 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: spinaltap]
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That is very cool, I'll pass that on, thank you!

It does look superficially to me as though that still requires the TV to be recessed, though?


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#276970 - 2018-06-11 14:57 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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Crap. Just noticed the price - 75" art frame is around $8500! I doubt she'll go for that, but will pass on the idea anyway...


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#276971 - 2018-06-11 15:01 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: 3dit0r]
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I previously saw Music Matters (PP) demonstrate the system. It wasn’t recessed.

There are other companies in the market.


My Mac can go all the way to XI - Mac user since 1988 - Meridian owner since 1993.
Music: M6, 218, 504, 506.2, AC12, SBT, LMS
Movies: Loewe Bild7.55, ATV4K, B&W PV-1
Stored: Meridian 551/555/A500/Director. 2x5m VDH Teatrack, Mission Elegante e82/e81/e8c, Yamaha 5.1 Receiver & DVD Player.
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#276972 - 2018-06-11 15:10 Re: Recessing TV into stud wall [Re: spinaltap]
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Future Automation have some stunning solutions at a price, new tv maybe cheaper!


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