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#276811 - 2018-06-08 09:45 DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE
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Is the new Meridian DSP5200.2 equipped with the same tweeter as the DSP5200SE and how would you rate the tonal differences?

Has anyone compared these two boxes?

Both boxes have the 1 x 25mm (1”) Meridian piston in short horn, beryllium dome with silver voice-coil.

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#276821 - 2018-06-08 10:47 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Jazzmaniac1954]
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The 5200.2s don't have beryllium tweeters, they're a composite dome. Only the SE speakers have beryllium.


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#276837 - 2018-06-08 15:58 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: 3dit0r]
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Sorry. See the Meridian webside. The new version .2 has the beryllium tweeter also and I asked Audio Reference and they confirmed it.


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#276841 - 2018-06-08 16:29 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Jazzmaniac1954]
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Hi

I've just had a look at the Meridian 5200.2 website page, and the 5200.2 datasheet, and both say "advanced composite dome tweeter".

It wouldn't be the first time that there have been "discrepancies" on the datasheets, but it does strike me that the beryllium tweeter is a sensible differentiating factor in the hierarchy between models.

Cheers
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#276842 - 2018-06-08 16:29 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Jazzmaniac1954]
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Sorry but I’m almost sure that’s not correct. I believe that’s a misprint on the Meridian website (which also describes the 5200.2 tweeter as both ‘composite’, ‘aluminium’).

One of the key differentiators between the .2 versions and SE of any flavour is the beryllium tweeter. If this has changed, it would be big news, and also I’d like to know!

Perhaps others can confirm...?


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#276843 - 2018-06-08 16:34 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Mr Meridian]
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George,

The Meridian website does mention beryllium once (under the heading of tweeter spec. which ironically also specifies its aluminium). Seems, as you say, like one of those classic Meridian marketing copy/paste errors.

A dealer confirming it’s beryllium is more worrying.

O/P I strongly believe that the .2 tweeter is the same composite type used in the other .2 DSPs (7200.2, 8000.2).


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#276845 - 2018-06-08 16:36 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: 3dit0r]
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I guess this statement on the DSP5200.2 Meridian page is what’s causing confusion.
Quote:
ALUMINIUM TWEETER
1 x 25mm (1”) Meridian piston in short horn, beryllium dome with silver voice-coil
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#276846 - 2018-06-08 16:53 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Ratbert]
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Ah, I looked at the Meridian mobile version of the site on my phone, may be different on that.

Cheers

George

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#276847 - 2018-06-08 16:57 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Mr Meridian]
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I thought the beryllium tweeter was a differentiator between SE and non SE versions and required SE electronics, are the .2 and SE’s using the same cabinets and tweeters with the same or slightly different electronics, Mon dieu shocked

Why not do away with the SE and .2 versions and just have one version that can handle MQA rendering, seems they are 2/3 of the way there, it would simplify manufacturing and parts logistics and they might even be able to reduce the price?

I believe a dealer said 80% of sales were SE anyway.


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#276848 - 2018-06-08 16:58 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Jazzmaniac1954]
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Originally Posted By Jazzmaniac1954
Sorry. See the Meridian webside. The new version .2 has the beryllium tweeter also and I asked Audio Reference and they confirmed it
As previously posted I was confused on this subject. Unfortunately I am now confused at a much higher level.

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#276850 - 2018-06-08 17:43 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Hector]
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I’m 99% certain the 5200.2 doesn’t have a beryllium tweeter. It’s a typo and the dealer has regurgitated it.

The Meridian webpage describes the 5200.2 tweeter, variously, as
Quote:
Advanced, high-efficiency composite dome tweeter.
And
Quote:
ALUMINIUM TWEETER 1 x 25mm (1”) Meridian piston in short horn, beryllium dome with silver voice-coil.
So, all three types ever used by Meridian.

Since they haven’t used all three, at least two of these are typos. Since the Be tweeter is the main upgrade to SE and since we know all other .2 do use composite tweeters, the likelihood is that Beryllium is the typo.

OTOH, if they do have a Be tweeter at that price, I’ll be ordering a pair, so happy to be proved wrong grin

[edit: Meridian do have typo form on the 5200, iirc a while back there was some excitement that the SE had Meridium panels, until Rick confirmed no 5200 has and that it was still reserved for 7200 and 8000].


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#276851 - 2018-06-08 17:47 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: 3dit0r]
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#276876 - 2018-06-09 07:51 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: 3dit0r]
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A dealer wanted 1000 € more for the 5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter than with the normal DSP7200 tweeter

So Meridian should make things clear.


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#276877 - 2018-06-09 08:06 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Jazzmaniac1954]
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Can a UK dealer please clarify the situation?


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#276878 - 2018-06-09 08:20 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Jazzmaniac1954]
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Perhaps he's offering to upgrade the 5200.2 to SE spec?


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#276880 - 2018-06-09 08:36 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: dpstjp]
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Something odd going on there. Is this an upgrade? Even so, upgrade to SE is a lot more than £1000.


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#276891 - 2018-06-09 11:28 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: 3dit0r]
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Certainly, just to upgrade the tweeters should be more than a grand. I was pretty shocked when I asked about replacement costs for the beryllium units.


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#276893 - 2018-06-09 11:43 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Jazzmaniac1954]
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I am not convinced you can just upgrade the tweeter on the 5200.2s to the SE Beryllium.

Yes, it will fit in the space - but the electronics on the SE's are different to the .2's.



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#276894 - 2018-06-09 11:45 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Martins HiFi]
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….also, there is something in the back of the grey matter.

Something about the .2's cant be upgraded to SE? I cant recall if this is true or not...


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#276895 - 2018-06-09 12:01 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: Martins HiFi]
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Originally Posted By Martins HiFi
I am not convinced you can just upgrade the tweeter on the 5200.2s to the SE Beryllium.

Yes, it will fit in the space - but the electronics on the SE's are different to the .2's.
Exactly, the Be tweeter will be incompatible (sonically at least) with the .2 electronics.


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#276903 - 2018-06-09 14:49 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: VirusKiller]
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OK so....

The Tweeter in the DSP5200.2 is the same as in the DSP7200.2 and DSP8000.2
This IS NOT Beryllium.

It is however 3dB more efficient than the tweeter in the DSP5200SL, DSP7200 and DSP8000 (Both Legacy and SL) so it cannot be used in these speakers.

The Beryllium tweeter in the SE speakers again has different characteristics, and cannot be used in anything other than SE speakers.

You can't interchange any of these tweeters into the other range of speakers hoping for an upgrade.
Although you will get sound out of them, it won't have the correct balance to the other drive units, and so will be wrong.

When Meridian changed from DSP5200SL to DSP5200.2 the list price actually dropped from £7,000 to £6,000.
DSP5200.2 subsequently had a price rise and are currently £6,500

We used to call the DSP8000 a DSP8000.2 when it had the SpeakerLink upgrade.
Really this should be referred to as a DSP8000SL, as the DSP8000.2 is a more recent upgrade to the speaker using the .2 tweeter, and associated electronic crossover changes to cope with the 3db efficiency gain.
Current DSP8000.2 are £36,000

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#276905 - 2018-06-09 14:55 Re: DSP5200.2 with Beryllium tweeter versus DSP5200SE [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Thanks for clearing that up Rick.


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