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#276124 - 2018-05-17 14:36 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I sent you a PM, should be under the My Stuff link.


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#276126 - 2018-05-17 14:53 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Wilson’s latest are specifically designed for difficult placement like shelves, alcoves, etc. If you’re used to 5200SE quality (and price range) they might be worth a look?

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#276157 - 2018-05-18 08:30 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Have you played with the Parametric EQ DSP in Roon?

Cheaper than divorce or extension...


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#276178 - 2018-05-18 17:30 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Thanks, that is interesting, I do like the idea of Wilson audio although it says Bass is limited to 65HZ and above, which does not seem full range enough for me, I know in room response can be different, but it does seem like a lot for such a small speaker, are Wilson really that good? Maybe I will get the chance to listen somewhere.

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#276179 - 2018-05-18 17:32 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Mesmo]
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Originally Posted By Mesmo
Have you played with the Parametric EQ DSP in Roon?

Cheaper than divorce or extension...
I've tried the inbuilt basic speaker DSP settings, but not the full on EQ within Roon...

To be honest even if it does sound good in this room after EQ, I'd much rather listen to music in this other room, so going to try and make that work.

How do you set up EQ anyway, use a mic to measure or just fiddle around?

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#276194 - 2018-05-19 06:37 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Originally Posted By UrQuattroGus
Thanks, that is interesting, I do like the idea of Wilson audio although it says Bass is limited to 65HZ and above, which does not seem full range enough for me, I know in room response can be different, but it does seem like a lot for such a small speaker, are Wilson really that good? Maybe I will get the chance to listen somewhere.
Wilson’s reputation is second to none, but I haven’t heard this particular model, it’s quite new. I believe some forum members might own larger models. Regarding bass response, yes, it’s -3dB point is 65Hz, but your issue in that room is too much bass. With reinforcement it might seem lower, but you’re having issues with full range speakers - if you go full range again, I think it’s likely you’ll simply end up with the same issue again with a different brand of speaker.

I see a couple of solutions if you want to stay full range but tame the bass-

Stay with the 5200SE and run Room Correction of some sort - get a Meridian processor which can run MRC which can be used for movies, and use the measurement it creates to add the appropriate notch filters to Roon for music (including MQA after the awaited firmware update which should allow pre-render DSP). I’m almost sure someone on the forum did this successfully at some point

Alternatively, get smaller speakers and a sub, place the sub to try and take room modes and also run room correction on the sub only, leaving the satellites unaffected. Or still run RC full range.

Honestly, though, if you’re going down the RC route I think you might as well stick with your 5200SE. Meridian DSPs are excellent candidates for RC as, being active designs, they have huge power and control reserves and are DSP protected from heating/overload at least to a greater degree than most. Meridian MRC is very good at taming bass while leaving the critical midband and treble alone. You can pick up processors second hand (e.g., 861v4 with Linear PSU, ID41, etc). I may be doing this myself once funds allow, to try and get even cleaner bass.


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#276230 - 2018-05-21 09:00 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Angus,

Before you sell your 5200SE's, I use a pair of DSP3200's in my kitchen (connected to an MS200) and they are actually surprisingly good. I noticed that some of the mid-frequencies are slightly less present if you play at a low volume but if I turn the volume up a bit the DSP3200's are sounding very very nice. It could be a room issue though. The 3200's are approx. 33cm tall so they should fit. If needed you could add a sub but I am surprised at how low the 3200's go.

Edwin

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Edited by Ehh000; 2018-05-21 09:16.
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#276231 - 2018-05-21 09:07 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I'm a complete convert to full range speakers and room correction. So much so, I'm running 8ks in my small office. And when I say room correction, I am not talking about MRC which, whilst it can be effective, I now believe to be nowhere near state-of-the-art.

Dirac (via virtual sound card and USB out) is very impressive. So is Acourate, which I'm currently using via a Roon DSP engine convolution filter. With both of these solutions, you can shape the response curve to your preference.

However, I would say that, as a first port of call, you need to experiment first with speaker positioning, within the constraints of your room.


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#276243 - 2018-05-21 15:51 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: VirusKiller]
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Do you have a thread anywhere about how you set up those options, I’m interested also.


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#276245 - 2018-05-21 17:06 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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I don't unfortunately. Dirac's a bit of a non-starter as it's external to Roon; well, it will be a non-starter when Meridian fixes the 818v3... mad

Acourate positives:
  • The results I've achieved from a very rough calibration are excellent.
  • Only one measurement position is necessary (though you need to use an in-built tool to get the microphone position spot-on).
  • The filters plug into Roon's DSP engine, so MQA signalling info (for rendering) can be preserved.
  • As it uses Roon's DSP, you're not tied to a computer (other than the Roon core) and it's easy to run different room correction for different zones.
  • Unbelievably flexible.
Acourate negatives:
  • It isn't cheap.
  • The software is utterly incomprehensible; the only way anyone can use it is because some guy wrote an eBook that walks you through the room correction steps click by click.
  • Windows only (for measurement and filter generation) and locked to one machine (though that can be changed on request).
  • Difficult to experiment easily compared with Dirac which has 4 slots for different, easily selectable, filters.
  • Unbelievably flexible.


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#276247 - 2018-05-21 17:40 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: VirusKiller]
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I might add to VK's comments that Dr. Uli, Acourate's developer, is unbelievably helpful with Team Viewer.

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#276249 - 2018-05-21 21:27 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Kswanson]
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I’ll have to check out Accourate, thanks!

It’s a shame Dirac can’t be used with Roon, it sounds more user friendly (which I’m all for). Did you mean that it’ll never be an option even when the 818v3 can accept pre-rendered MQA from Roon, or is there a possibility this might change?


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