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#276061 - 2018-05-16 08:48 DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger
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I've had this system for about a year now and I love it to bits, using Roon serever etc

As is often the case domestic harmony has thrown a spanner in the works!!!!

I used to have this set up in our small sitting room and it sounded great, however now we have had cupboards built into the alcoves next to the fireplace, and the speakers can't sit in front of the cupboards as the cupboards wouldn't open and my other half won't tolerate the way it looks!

So after a minor domestic about this I have really struggled to put the speakers anywhere else!

I have now managed to put them upstairs in a perhaps even smaller room, downstairs allowed placement of them along the length of the room and had a solid floor - sounded great.

Upstairs has a wooden supended floor and they are firing across the room and I'm sat too close.

Despite some tweaking of the speaker setting it just sounds crap now in comparison frown frown

Bass has lost it's clout and the room resonates too much and I can barely sit in the middle of the speakers, and only very close.

So unless I can sort something out it looks like I'm going to have to sell up!!!!

I might have to get some bookshelf speakers and place them on the alcove cupboard top, which is quite sturdy.

Sacrilege!

I thought about the DSP3200 but that seems like the runt of the range....

I'm now looking at crazy solutions like the KEF LS50 Wireless, AVI DM12 (front firing port is a major bonus) or maybe a Naim Uniti Nova and some decent passive speakers.

Has anyone else faced a similar dilemma? Any good suggestions for a compact system?

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#276062 - 2018-05-16 08:52 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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What about sliding doors?


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#276063 - 2018-05-16 08:58 DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Dubya]
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I am currently enjoying excellent sound from DSP3300s in my office.

You can place them horizontally on your cupboard tops easily.

Worth a thought and not mentioned often enough on here.


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#276066 - 2018-05-16 09:48 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Colin Triggs]
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I soon learned to love the 3200s once my 5200s had to go


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#276067 - 2018-05-16 10:20 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: JobSeeker]
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Upgrade to 8000's - then you can place them anywhere you like in the house and still hear them whistle


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#276070 - 2018-05-16 11:34 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Hi UrQuattroGus
Sounds as if new location on your suspended floor is the issue.

I have 5200SE in small room 9ft x 7ft positioned in corners of 9ft wall. There are two 3 draw filing cabinets between the speakers pretty much full of CDs. The floor is solid. Because my desk is across 7ft left wall and as I don't sit centrally I use Balance to set volume +3 on Right channel.
This works perfectly for me. Previously I had 7200.1 pair in the same space.

Maybe room treatment should be considered before taking drastic sell option, or at least try to decouple 5200SE from resonance of the floor.

Hector


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#276086 - 2018-05-16 16:09 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Hector]
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Don't despair (or sell) just yet. I have had several DSPs in an upstairs, wooden suspended floor room for years, including 6Ks.

Bass traps made a big difference, but so did just experimenting with placement. So did EBA with the 7200.2s.

What are the room dimensions?


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#276092 - 2018-05-16 17:42 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Well... may I suggest a good marriage counsellor or if that fails a good divorce lawyer.

Put the speakers back where they should be... listening to music is a life pleasure IMHO.


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#276095 - 2018-05-16 19:58 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: ncpl]
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+1 for the 3300. They amaze me every time I hear them

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#276098 - 2018-05-16 21:33 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: DonRon]
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+1 for the divorce lawyer


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#276099 - 2018-05-16 21:42 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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+3 for divorce. Worked for me.


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#276121 - 2018-05-17 11:40 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Ludwig]
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Thanks for all of the messages of support guys.

The best solution is to build and extension, but that's a few years away!!

My dealer has been helpful and is offering demo of a few things.

I also just had the slightly left field idea about two DSP5200HCSE centre speakers run as a stereo pair...

But not sure if too wide.

I'm going to Demo the Devialet 130 with a few different speakers, and Naim Superait2, Naim Uniti Nova (not so keen).

Etc. etc.

I've been pretty sold on active, but Devilet looks like it offers some of the advantage with it's SAM speaker matching and controls.

Also has roon capability built in.

The biggest challenge is to find bookshelf speakers that can actually sit on a shelf.

Height of the space is approx 40cm.

Think I'm going to need a stand mount that is either very stout, or isobaric, or has two drivers.

That or add a sub, but I don't want the hassle and faff of that really.

I always liked the Acoustic Energy AE2, that sort of thing, a small but mighty speaker! It is also front ported, great when close to a rear wall.

Before the Meridian system I had a Naim and Neat System, the Sx3i was a great speaker, isobaric and incredibly impressive for it's size! Should have hung onto the speakers...

Angus

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#276124 - 2018-05-17 14:36 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I sent you a PM, should be under the My Stuff link.


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#276126 - 2018-05-17 14:53 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Wilson’s latest are specifically designed for difficult placement like shelves, alcoves, etc. If you’re used to 5200SE quality (and price range) they might be worth a look?

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#276157 - 2018-05-18 08:30 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Have you played with the Parametric EQ DSP in Roon?

Cheaper than divorce or extension...


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#276178 - 2018-05-18 17:30 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Thanks, that is interesting, I do like the idea of Wilson audio although it says Bass is limited to 65HZ and above, which does not seem full range enough for me, I know in room response can be different, but it does seem like a lot for such a small speaker, are Wilson really that good? Maybe I will get the chance to listen somewhere.

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#276179 - 2018-05-18 17:32 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Mesmo]
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Originally Posted By Mesmo
Have you played with the Parametric EQ DSP in Roon?

Cheaper than divorce or extension...
I've tried the inbuilt basic speaker DSP settings, but not the full on EQ within Roon...

To be honest even if it does sound good in this room after EQ, I'd much rather listen to music in this other room, so going to try and make that work.

How do you set up EQ anyway, use a mic to measure or just fiddle around?

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#276194 - 2018-05-19 06:37 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Originally Posted By UrQuattroGus
Thanks, that is interesting, I do like the idea of Wilson audio although it says Bass is limited to 65HZ and above, which does not seem full range enough for me, I know in room response can be different, but it does seem like a lot for such a small speaker, are Wilson really that good? Maybe I will get the chance to listen somewhere.
Wilson’s reputation is second to none, but I haven’t heard this particular model, it’s quite new. I believe some forum members might own larger models. Regarding bass response, yes, it’s -3dB point is 65Hz, but your issue in that room is too much bass. With reinforcement it might seem lower, but you’re having issues with full range speakers - if you go full range again, I think it’s likely you’ll simply end up with the same issue again with a different brand of speaker.

I see a couple of solutions if you want to stay full range but tame the bass-

Stay with the 5200SE and run Room Correction of some sort - get a Meridian processor which can run MRC which can be used for movies, and use the measurement it creates to add the appropriate notch filters to Roon for music (including MQA after the awaited firmware update which should allow pre-render DSP). I’m almost sure someone on the forum did this successfully at some point

Alternatively, get smaller speakers and a sub, place the sub to try and take room modes and also run room correction on the sub only, leaving the satellites unaffected. Or still run RC full range.

Honestly, though, if you’re going down the RC route I think you might as well stick with your 5200SE. Meridian DSPs are excellent candidates for RC as, being active designs, they have huge power and control reserves and are DSP protected from heating/overload at least to a greater degree than most. Meridian MRC is very good at taming bass while leaving the critical midband and treble alone. You can pick up processors second hand (e.g., 861v4 with Linear PSU, ID41, etc). I may be doing this myself once funds allow, to try and get even cleaner bass.


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#276230 - 2018-05-21 09:00 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Angus,

Before you sell your 5200SE's, I use a pair of DSP3200's in my kitchen (connected to an MS200) and they are actually surprisingly good. I noticed that some of the mid-frequencies are slightly less present if you play at a low volume but if I turn the volume up a bit the DSP3200's are sounding very very nice. It could be a room issue though. The 3200's are approx. 33cm tall so they should fit. If needed you could add a sub but I am surprised at how low the 3200's go.

Edwin

Edit: as an alternative to sliding doors take a look at parallel lift-up doors.


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Edited by Ehh000; 2018-05-21 09:16.
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#276231 - 2018-05-21 09:07 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I'm a complete convert to full range speakers and room correction. So much so, I'm running 8ks in my small office. And when I say room correction, I am not talking about MRC which, whilst it can be effective, I now believe to be nowhere near state-of-the-art.

Dirac (via virtual sound card and USB out) is very impressive. So is Acourate, which I'm currently using via a Roon DSP engine convolution filter. With both of these solutions, you can shape the response curve to your preference.

However, I would say that, as a first port of call, you need to experiment first with speaker positioning, within the constraints of your room.


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#276243 - 2018-05-21 15:51 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: VirusKiller]
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Do you have a thread anywhere about how you set up those options, I’m interested also.


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#276245 - 2018-05-21 17:06 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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I don't unfortunately. Dirac's a bit of a non-starter as it's external to Roon; well, it will be a non-starter when Meridian fixes the 818v3... mad

Acourate positives:
  • The results I've achieved from a very rough calibration are excellent.
  • Only one measurement position is necessary (though you need to use an in-built tool to get the microphone position spot-on).
  • The filters plug into Roon's DSP engine, so MQA signalling info (for rendering) can be preserved.
  • As it uses Roon's DSP, you're not tied to a computer (other than the Roon core) and it's easy to run different room correction for different zones.
  • Unbelievably flexible.
Acourate negatives:
  • It isn't cheap.
  • The software is utterly incomprehensible; the only way anyone can use it is because some guy wrote an eBook that walks you through the room correction steps click by click.
  • Windows only (for measurement and filter generation) and locked to one machine (though that can be changed on request).
  • Difficult to experiment easily compared with Dirac which has 4 slots for different, easily selectable, filters.
  • Unbelievably flexible.


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#276247 - 2018-05-21 17:40 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: VirusKiller]
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I might add to VK's comments that Dr. Uli, Acourate's developer, is unbelievably helpful with Team Viewer.

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#276249 - 2018-05-21 21:27 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Kswanson]
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I’ll have to check out Accourate, thanks!

It’s a shame Dirac can’t be used with Roon, it sounds more user friendly (which I’m all for). Did you mean that it’ll never be an option even when the 818v3 can accept pre-rendered MQA from Roon, or is there a possibility this might change?


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#276351 - 2018-05-25 15:04 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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So next week I will be doing some demo's

The 5200SE and probably also 218 will most likely end up being for sale.

I want to listen to music in my living room, not in a cramped upstairs bedroom with the 5200's shoe horned in.

Some respite has arrived in the form of Acoustic Energy AE1's driven by an old Denon amp and using the 218 as a source.

I've Always liked the AE1 and it is very good for this sort of shelf/alcove siting as it's front ported, and does sound musical and dynamic for it's size.

A bit of a come down, but I'm going to take the AE's to my dealer to try with Devialet and Naim amps.

If anyone can recommend a good front ported speaker below 40cm high(another bloomin restriction due to the shelf above) I'm interested to know.

I might go to town with an amp and upgrade the speakers later, as the AE1's do sound good in this room even on a budget amp.

They are also on the SAM list for devialet which calims that tehre will be more control and protection, lower bass etc etc so it will be interesting to see if thats true!

Maybe I'll hate devialet, I used to a be a Naim person until not that long ago btw!

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#276360 - 2018-05-25 19:55 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I have some Harbeth Compact 7es3 which I think are superb. They are around 50cm high, though, so perhaps the Harbeth Monitor 30.2 (domestic) would suit, they certainly garner equally rave reviews. Both are front ported. I get no bass boom from my C7es3 whatsoever and they are on the end of a pseudo-Naim amp, to boot.


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#276398 - 2018-05-26 22:42 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Thanks, I’ve never heard Harbeths, but they do appeal! Unfortunately even the 30.2 is too high for the measly gal I have.

The active AVI DM12 looks like a runner, front ported and 380cm high, £3k, just need to hear what they can or can’t do...

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#276407 - 2018-05-27 10:06 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Oh dear, yes that’s a very small space. The only Harbeth which would fit is the P3-ESR which I’ve not heard (but rave reviews). IMO you’d need a sub for any kind of bass though, but that’s probably true of almost all speakers that small, unless you go with a small DSP like a 3200 or a 3100.

Alternatively, since cosmetics are the issue, have you considered the Meridian in-wall options (520, 640, etc.)?

Interested to hear how you get in with the AVI.


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#276443 - 2018-05-29 11:30 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Thanks, yes, the P3-ESR I think will just be too bass light unless I go for a sub.

The AE1's have a lot of punch and slam for their size.

Going to Dem PMC twenty5.21 which are front ported transmission line etc

AVI wise it's hard to hear a pair, but tempting to just go for it.

Had AVI amps and speakers that I've enjoyed in the past...

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#276455 - 2018-05-30 00:27 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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3200’s and a sub?

If you decide to sell the 5200’s please let me know.

Cheers,

Rick


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#276465 - 2018-05-30 17:22 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: ncpl]
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Nick I was seriously thinking about writing something like this but I hesitated...
Well done you brave man!


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#276467 - 2018-05-30 18:28 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Mermad]
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Demo'd PMC Twenty5.21 on Naim Uniti Nova.

Good god I hated the sound of those PMC's!

Thin, harsh and bright.

Yuck.

In desperation tried the Focal Aria 906, a cheaper but still front ported speaker that would just about fit.

Much more likeable sound.

Then plugged the Aria 906 into a NAD Masters Pre Power system, as was not sure how good the Uniti Nova is (its a 80WPC all in one at 4200 quid)

By god, what an improvement, the only thing I heard that I could actually consider buying, but a lot of boxes.

They do an integrated (M32) with 150 WPC and integrated DAC that can act as roon endpoint, so thats on the shortlist.

Going to try the Devialet and some other speakers this Friday....

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#276468 - 2018-05-30 18:30 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Mermad]
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3200s and a DSW make very nice sounds...


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#276469 - 2018-05-30 18:40 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Thanks guys will try to dem the 3200 pref with the DSW too

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#276470 - 2018-05-30 18:53 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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This is the problem, I’ve demoed a lot of gear, but once you are used to Meridian DSPs much modern gear sounds a bit thin and/or harsh. Those DSPs have exceptional bass response for the cabinet size and sound effortless and undistorted by virtue of being active and digital to the box. It’s a very hard act to follow...


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#276487 - 2018-05-31 08:38 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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The somewhat controversial Ashley at AVI claims that:

DN12s are a very close match to HD800s for clarity, smoothness and balance, but with a really exceptional stereo image.

I think the Dm12’s Will sound good, but there is also some skepticism, and it seems I have to travel a long way to hear a pair...

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#276490 - 2018-05-31 10:21 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I think with manufacturer claims like that, Mandy Rice Davies Applies wink

Just looking at basic specs, which aren't everything, to be sure -

HD800s are 14Hz – 44.1 kHz (- 3 dB), so full-range and more.

AVI's webpage on the DM12 gives odd, conflicting specs on their frequency response; variously:

System Amplitude Response: better than 30Hz - 20 kHz.

Low Frequency Response: 6dB at 40Hz

Bass extension is better than - 6dB @ 50 Hz

Weird. Unless by 'system' they mean with the sub? Which still doesn't explain the conflicting -6dB (or 6dB??) figures for the monitors.


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#276516 - 2018-05-31 17:55 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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I thought the same... It's also been interesting looking at the Devialet SAM list - they claim that using SAM that speakers go from say 50HZ response to 27HZ for example, 900 or so speakers listed.

This is done by taking various measurements and offering some protection and awareness of the driver XMAX etc.

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#276525 - 2018-05-31 23:03 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Yeah, I’ve read about the Devaliet approach in theory, but never heard it in practise. It sounds like sort of a half-way house to the Meridian DSP approach. Interested to hear your thoughts after the demo!

Is it possible to listen with SAM off and then on to hear what it adds?

The Devaliet Class A driving a Class D reminds me a little conceptually of the Quad idea of current dumping amps like the old 405 or newer 909 etc., but I have no idea if that’s actually analogous.


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#276551 - 2018-06-01 15:58 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Successful demo today of a few things.

Ended up taking home for home demo the Devialet 220 and ATC SCM11 (which I preferred over Kudos K10A and Audiovector Arette Avantegard)

The AE1's sounded pretty good too, but not a patch on the ATC SCM11

SAM on the AE1's seems to kill the life of the music a bit, preferred it switched off - possible becuase the AE1 is quite coloured, I quite like it though.

With the ATC the SAM made a huge appreciable difference, making the allready solid and punch bass even deeper and punchier.

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#276598 - 2018-06-02 14:33 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Oh dear, that plot thickens.

Once back at home I tried the ATC SCM11 with the Devialet 220 and they were impressive, transparent and detailed, with awesome bass slam and really surprisingly deep (With SAM on).

However, and it's a big but, I just simply found them too tiring to listen too, too analitical and bright in the mids and treble with voices, and ripped bare some not so good recordings.

So I'm using the AE1 again with the Devialet, not the last work in everything, but I enjoy the sound - could just do with perhaps a bit more bass depth and resolution.

The PROAC Studio 118 is another front ported speaker that would fit, recently discontinued, they might be more forgiving and fit the bill....

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#276601 - 2018-06-02 16:17 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Sounds like you have been spoiled by the 5200's 😁


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#276611 - 2018-06-02 22:41 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Ian]
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+1

One of the reasons I’ve had multiple generations of Meridian speakers is that, as well as sounding excellent, they have all been the least fatiguing speakers I’ve ever had the pleasure to live with.

My Harbeths, which I have in a second system, but have compared extensively in the main system to get an angle on them, have a huge reputation for being non-fatiguing, but in my experience they’re nowhere near as easy to listen to without fatigue as any of the Meridian speakers I’ve owned.

Hard to go back from...


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#276616 - 2018-06-03 05:41 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Are you feeding them MQA from the 218?


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#276617 - 2018-06-03 08:51 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Rick415]
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Sometimes yes, but not very often.

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#276619 - 2018-06-03 09:47 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I must say that I soon adjusted to DSP3200s after my 5200s had to go. They do a nice job with the 218 and I still get the first benefit of the first MQA unfold that way.


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If it were me, I’d definitely want to home demo a pair of 3200s before making a final decision. Very good with or without a sub.


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#276807 - 2018-06-08 08:51 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Well it’s all ended well, it turns out that really it was the Devialet 220 amp that I didn’t like.

It gets rave reviews and it’s impressive, but swapping to the NAD M12 pre and M22v2 Power has been a vast improvement for me.

The NAD is smoother and more engaging yet with better bass and soundstage also.

It’s a 300wpc hybrid digital amp. To be honest I wouldn’t expecting much from NAD but I’m seriously impressed, so much so that I ordered this setup. Works well with the AE1, sounds fantastic and I can play around with other speakers.

4 other new speakers tried so far but still prefer the AE1

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#276825 - 2018-06-08 11:22 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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This doesn't surprise me at all - had a couple of NAD designs in the past, culminating in a 319 which was a beast, but very warm/musical with huuuge bass authority (I believe it was based around the NAD THX power amps of the day). I still have it, in fact, but haven't used it for years as it needs a repair, one of the channels was showing a fault.

Well done for getting a system you're pleased with; happy listening!


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#277042 - 2018-06-12 16:18 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Thanks smile

Yes I'm really pleasantly surprised by how warm and musical, yet detailed and attacking it sounds, nicely judged and can drive pretty much any speaker with ease.

Now have the following speakers which i will be testing:

Wilson Benesch Square One (Good for close wall placement and with a 7" bass driver and rear abr driver)

Neat Momentum SX3i (might just get away with these, will see, had the 3i before and loved them, isobaric so surprisingly mightly)

Totem Model 1 signature, the 2017 version. Might be good but worried they may have a harsh top end, thats what i found with the Totem Forrest I listened to once
before. Metal dome tweeter etc...

All of these are less than 38.5CM high and not too deep.

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#277046 - 2018-06-12 17:12 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Originally Posted By 3dit0r
huuuge bass authority
Contrast with tweeter "delicacy", or am I reading too much into this? Time for a cold shower.

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#277079 - 2018-06-13 08:59 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Springlike]
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It has delicacy in spades this one, and detail.

It's no blunt instrument.

There are some Stereophile and Sound on Sound reviews, it makes the Stereophile recommended list.

The downside is that when you want to try speakers the hi-fi dealer on the phone asks what amp you have and you can hear his voice sink as he thinks it's going to be a budget amp ala NAD 3020

One said that the totem Element ember might be a difficult load for my amp, with 300wpc into 8 ohms then???

That's the only downside for now, it was easier to get them to play ball when I said Naim 250DR and 282 Hi cap etc. etc. as used to be the case.

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