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#276490 - 2018-05-31 10:21 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I think with manufacturer claims like that, Mandy Rice Davies Applies wink

Just looking at basic specs, which aren't everything, to be sure -

HD800s are 14Hz – 44.1 kHz (- 3 dB), so full-range and more.

AVI's webpage on the DM12 gives odd, conflicting specs on their frequency response; variously:

System Amplitude Response: better than 30Hz - 20 kHz.

Low Frequency Response: 6dB at 40Hz

Bass extension is better than - 6dB @ 50 Hz

Weird. Unless by 'system' they mean with the sub? Which still doesn't explain the conflicting -6dB (or 6dB??) figures for the monitors.


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#276516 - 2018-05-31 17:55 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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I thought the same... It's also been interesting looking at the Devialet SAM list - they claim that using SAM that speakers go from say 50HZ response to 27HZ for example, 900 or so speakers listed.

This is done by taking various measurements and offering some protection and awareness of the driver XMAX etc.

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#276525 - 2018-05-31 23:03 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Yeah, I’ve read about the Devaliet approach in theory, but never heard it in practise. It sounds like sort of a half-way house to the Meridian DSP approach. Interested to hear your thoughts after the demo!

Is it possible to listen with SAM off and then on to hear what it adds?

The Devaliet Class A driving a Class D reminds me a little conceptually of the Quad idea of current dumping amps like the old 405 or newer 909 etc., but I have no idea if that’s actually analogous.


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#276551 - 2018-06-01 15:58 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Successful demo today of a few things.

Ended up taking home for home demo the Devialet 220 and ATC SCM11 (which I preferred over Kudos K10A and Audiovector Arette Avantegard)

The AE1's sounded pretty good too, but not a patch on the ATC SCM11

SAM on the AE1's seems to kill the life of the music a bit, preferred it switched off - possible becuase the AE1 is quite coloured, I quite like it though.

With the ATC the SAM made a huge appreciable difference, making the allready solid and punch bass even deeper and punchier.

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#276598 - 2018-06-02 14:33 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Oh dear, that plot thickens.

Once back at home I tried the ATC SCM11 with the Devialet 220 and they were impressive, transparent and detailed, with awesome bass slam and really surprisingly deep (With SAM on).

However, and it's a big but, I just simply found them too tiring to listen too, too analitical and bright in the mids and treble with voices, and ripped bare some not so good recordings.

So I'm using the AE1 again with the Devialet, not the last work in everything, but I enjoy the sound - could just do with perhaps a bit more bass depth and resolution.

The PROAC Studio 118 is another front ported speaker that would fit, recently discontinued, they might be more forgiving and fit the bill....

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#276601 - 2018-06-02 16:17 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Sounds like you have been spoiled by the 5200's 😁


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#276611 - 2018-06-02 22:41 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Ian]
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+1

One of the reasons I’ve had multiple generations of Meridian speakers is that, as well as sounding excellent, they have all been the least fatiguing speakers I’ve ever had the pleasure to live with.

My Harbeths, which I have in a second system, but have compared extensively in the main system to get an angle on them, have a huge reputation for being non-fatiguing, but in my experience they’re nowhere near as easy to listen to without fatigue as any of the Meridian speakers I’ve owned.

Hard to go back from...


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#276616 - 2018-06-03 05:41 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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Are you feeding them MQA from the 218?


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#276617 - 2018-06-03 08:51 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: Rick415]
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Sometimes yes, but not very often.

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#276619 - 2018-06-03 09:47 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: UrQuattroGus]
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I must say that I soon adjusted to DSP3200s after my 5200s had to go. They do a nice job with the 218 and I still get the first benefit of the first MQA unfold that way.


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#276620 - 2018-06-03 10:09 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: JobSeeker]
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If it were me, I’d definitely want to home demo a pair of 3200s before making a final decision. Very good with or without a sub.


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#276807 - 2018-06-08 08:51 Re: DSP5200SE and 218 - Oh B*gger [Re: 3dit0r]
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Well it’s all ended well, it turns out that really it was the Devialet 220 amp that I didn’t like.

It gets rave reviews and it’s impressive, but swapping to the NAD M12 pre and M22v2 Power has been a vast improvement for me.

The NAD is smoother and more engaging yet with better bass and soundstage also.

It’s a 300wpc hybrid digital amp. To be honest I wouldn’t expecting much from NAD but I’m seriously impressed, so much so that I ordered this setup. Works well with the AE1, sounds fantastic and I can play around with other speakers.

4 other new speakers tried so far but still prefer the AE1

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