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#275893 - 2018-05-09 20:53 Third party room Correction Solutions
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Wondered if anyone has found a 3rd party RC solution which would allow correction of all sources through 818/DSPs (and possibly through a second system which would be bi-amped with active crossovers and sub integration).

I can use Accourate, or similar, through Roon for my primary music source. However, half of my system use is DVD/Bluray, Sky TV, Netflix, etc., so some of this can't be routed through a PC to my knowledge.

Is there a solution to use Accourate/Audiolense, etc., in this kind of setup, or am I automatically tied to trying to find a hardware box, or boxes, which might work (DEQX, Trinnov, etc.)?


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#275899 - 2018-05-10 06:39 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: 3dit0r]
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In a legacy 96/24 world, the DDRC-22D from MiniDSP after the 818 would be the way to go if MHR between 818 and DSPs can be turned off. If it can't be turned off, then it would need to be before the 818 (and you lose your ID40/41).

With MQA in the equation, I would say no, there is nothing for ALL sources.


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#275900 - 2018-05-10 08:07 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: VirusKiller]
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22D is a good piece of kit. The cheaper path would be the MiniDSP Nanodigi deployed in the same way as the 22D. More manual approach required with REW but the results can be better as you have more fine grained control. I use two of these to correct LCR for all sources.


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#275901 - 2018-05-10 08:39 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: 3dit0r]
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RobertW did a lot of search on this subject


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#275902 - 2018-05-10 09:06 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: Albert]
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Thanks guys.

OK, I think perhaps it might be best to explore a two-pronged approach if I go down this route, then - e.g.

- Roon/Accourate for the ID41 input (which is 99% of my current music source)
- A separate MiniDSP-type solution between the Oppo and 818 for the A/V material (I wouldn't put this between the 818/7200s as I would lose SL, EBA, MQA, etc. on all sources). I use coax out from Oppo into 818 so I guess that should work OK?

Has anyone heard the MiniDSP DDRC-22D, or any of the MiniDSP Dirac solutions? Just wondering if they are of sufficient quality to match a relatively high-end system, or will I lose as much as I might gain here?


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#275903 - 2018-05-10 09:08 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: Albert]
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Albert - you have an Antimode X4! Never actually encountered anyone who has one, nor any reviews; how are you getting on with it?


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#275907 - 2018-05-10 10:57 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: 3dit0r]
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Yes, I've used both the 22D and my current Nanodigi. The 22D introduces slightly more latency which caused havoc with integrating my analogue sub. The nanodigi introduces virtually no latency at all. Both sounded pretty transparent to me, although I think I preferred the Nano on balance because it doesn't use a zillion filters that I don't really need. The Dirac solution is probably really good if you just have 2 speakers or use their more comprehensive 8 channel solutions, but I found it much too much effort to integrate into 5 DSPs and 1 analogue sub. I gave up in the end. I also didn't think it brought enough to the party to justify its cost. The nanodigi, on the other hand, was effortless by comparison. A few REW sweeps, input the filters, job done.


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#275923 - 2018-05-11 08:16 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: Chris G]
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A Trinnov would be your best solution ... pricey tho, but way better than Dirac, acourate etc. Trinnov is a completely different animal (I have used Sigtech, Room Perfect, Acourate, Brute FIR, Minidsp Open DRC, Minidsp Dirac, Behringer, TACT, Dspeaker, etc.)

For a multichannel system, the Altitude 16 is the unit to go for.
After the Trinnov, Dirac was the best of the rest. I was using the DDRC 22 prior to my buying the Trinnov.


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#275924 - 2018-05-11 08:48 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: Rodney Gold]
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Thanks guys.

Aren’t Meridian sort of partnered with Trinnov for multichannel in some way now?

Rodney - this would be for 2-channel initially, but then possibly adding a sub or two further down the line, would the Alititude 16 still be the unit to consider?

Did you experience latency with the DDRC 22 with Dirac, as this is to correct for home theatre?


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#275925 - 2018-05-11 09:06 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: Rodney Gold]
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I agree with Rodney, Trinnov room correction is something really special.

I think for Meridian system integration you have to go with the Altitude 32. However, it will be a long time before the 16 model supports digital outputs and if you start using active cross-overs you are going to run out of channels. Also, the 16 is not upgradable and doesn’t support 192kHz natively (unlike the 32).


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#275926 - 2018-05-11 09:43 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: 3dit0r]
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For a 2 channel system, either the ST2 hifi or the Amethyst is the unit to go for ... both more or less identical in correction but the Amethyst has more inputs/outputs, a small screen, physical remote control and is Roon ready (Roon streams directly to it)

I picked up a used ST2 for EU3600 and Amethysts go for EU6k used... both are 4 channel, so 2x mains and 2x subs is fine.

Trinnov has latency in its processing, about 0.5sec all in, which is not consequential for me ... I never used DRC in a HT system so can’t comment on its or DIRACs latency.

The Trinnov is a snap to use compared to DIRAC in terms of measuring, and if you accept its 5 variants of correction it’s a set and forget... HOWEVER it is 1000x more configurable and if you want you can delve into the nitty gritty of the corrections and tune them to exactly your taste.

I actually have DIRAC and TRINNOV correction running side by side so can AB them.

Dirac has a far more diffuse sound, slightly better bass correction but the Trinnov which corrects phase, amplitude, group delay and impulse has an uncanny 3D holographic image formation, you can more easily suspend belief that the performance/performers are "there" ... switching between the 2 is educational ... there is no small difference, it’s huge ...Trinnov tends to make each performance an experience, DIRAC makes the music sound nice...


Roon/Tidal, SBT, Trinnov ST2 , Twin Devialet D premiers, Vivid Audio Giya G1 Spirits, dedicated and treated room.
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#275927 - 2018-05-11 10:13 Re: Third party room Correction Solutions [Re: 3dit0r]
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Yes, the new X4 has many inputs and outputs, and Dspeaker is still working on the fireware, more features will be added to it

So far I only use it for subs, haven't tried the 2.2 feature because I suspect it will introduce jitter to my DSP?

Even for subs I think it worth the money much much better than DIRAC.I also bought a 88D with Dirac,i put it between Vanity HD and 861, I feel sound was coloured a little bit,not so sure about that because I sold it immediately due to poor support for multi subs.


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