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#275685 - 2018-05-03 16:01 Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding
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As per the title, surprised that there's not already a post on it.


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#275686 - 2018-05-03 16:03 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Mr_Sukebe]
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A stellar update isn’t it.


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#275690 - 2018-05-03 16:55 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ratbert]
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Go to the Roon site and look at the 1.5 thread there. At the beginning of the thread is a line of questioning and answers which will be illuminating to say the least.

Anders Vinberg, longtime member here and confessed Microsoft affiliate, asked questions from a Full Meridian SE Speaker/Theatre Owner point of view. A link to that thread as a separate topic here (or in the best spot/Sub forum by some one technologically more gifted than I) would be useful.

I have only read the first 10 or so posts. It will be over a hundred by now. Exciting news about MQA unfolding, old Sooloos endpoints passing MQA on, room correction, etc.


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#275691 - 2018-05-03 17:05 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Mtns]
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Hi James

I posted the link to Anders' thread, the point he was making was that currently with Roon, a Meridian MQA endpoint and SE speakers you have to ensure the Meridian endpoint is doing the MQA decode and not Roon as the SE speakers will not recognise the rendering information in the decoded MQA file if it comes from anywhere other than a Meridian MQA endpoint, apparently this issue is known by Meridian and a fix is being worked on, but no timescales have been given.

Despite Anders' system having the ability to decode and render using the 818v3 and DSP8000SE’s I believe he prefers Roon EQ and room correction and is willing to forego the rendering therefore he does the MQA decode in Roon.

To ensure the endpoint is set to do the decode you go to the device setup page in Roon and then go to show advanced and ensure MQA capabilities is set to decoder and renderer.

Hope that helps?

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#275692 - 2018-05-03 17:47 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
Despite Anders' system having the ability to decode and render using the 818v3 and DSP8000SE’s I believe he prefers Roon EQ and room correction and is willing to forego the rendering therefore he does the MQA decode in Roon.
As do I: MQA --> Roon decode --> Acourate RC DSP convolution in Roon --> 818v3 --> 8kSE.

Sounds incredible in my small office.


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#275698 - 2018-05-03 19:38 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Mtns]
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Sorry for the basic questions here:

1)
What the difference between decode and rendering for the Meridian devices?
Is decode just a decode of the MQA stream in a particilar device?
And rendering is to use the DSP engine in Roon?

2) What can the ID40 card do now?

3) What can the 218 do now?

I use non SE DSP8000.2 speakers.


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#275699 - 2018-05-03 19:52 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: RobertW]
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Robert.

Rendering only takes place within an MQA DAC. Your 8k.2s don't have MQA DACs, so rendering is not relevant. Your 218 does have an MQA DAC, but unless you are using its analogue output, again, rendering is not relevant.

What matters is that Roon can perform the first unfold from 1x sample rate "MQA" to 2x sample rate "MQA Core", apply any DSP you like, and send the 2x rate stream to your ID40 or your 218 (or another other Meridian Sooloos endpoint).

With the 218 you can choose to pass-through the 1x MQA stream and let the 218 decode, but it will only output a 2x rate stream to your 861 and/or speakers.


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#275701 - 2018-05-03 19:56 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: RobertW]
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Hi Robert

Decoding is when an MQA encoded file is identified decoded and the rendering information is extracted, in an 818v3 DSP8000 setup this is what the 818v3 does. In Roon 1.5 this is what has just been enabled and is configurable.

Rendering is the additional information passed to the DSP’s if they are SE’s which allows them to playback the highest available resolution from the file, non SE speakers will not do the rendering the negotiation for this takes place between the 818v3 and the DSP over MHR, the speaker capabilities are shared with the processor and only the applicable data is sent, eg: the processor doesn’t just send the full render file and let the DSP try to make the best of it!

As for analog output the full decode and render is done in the 818v3 and passed to the phono/xlr outputs.

The ID40 is an input card, it does not in itself do MQA, it is the processor that determines that.

The 218 does full MQA decode and render to analog and decode with render information for the DSP if it is an SE over SpeakerLink.

I believe this is correct, apologies if there are any errors?

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#275708 - 2018-05-03 22:46 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ratbert]
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Thanks Joel and Russ, it’s now more understandable for me.

ALL these questions below are for DSP only:

Decode with Roon is the first step/process to get the MQA Information?
Rendering is the last process it’s done in the SE speakers?

Software-decode with Roon OR Hardware-decode in the 218?

But there are "only" two steps - decode and rendering?

Reason for asking here is for the 218.
Roon could make the first step with the SW decode, and the 218 can/should render?
(For analogue the 218 can render as Russ say)?

So maybe after the first SW-decode from Roon (not made in the 218 "just" delivered as a decoded MQA stream to the 218 ?? )
then the 218 could do some part of rendering for the non SE speakers as the 218 have the option to select "Renderer only"?

Could that maybe a future option for non-SE speakers?


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#275709 - 2018-05-03 23:23 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: RobertW]
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Originally Posted By RobertW
... then the 218 could do some part of rendering for the non SE speakers as the 218 have the option to select "Renderer only"?

Could that maybe a future option for non-SE speakers?
No, MQA rendering is performed in the MQA DAC.

The digital output, by its nature does not have a DAC of course.

If you want MQA rendering with the DSP they must be updated to SE spec.

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#275721 - 2018-05-04 10:40 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Carl]
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Stupid question if all the chat about unfolding and rendering has answered it already and I haven't really understood.

Where does Roon 1.5 leave those of us with legacy DSPs? Are we any further forward or has nothing really changed?

Thanks.

Richard

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#275725 - 2018-05-04 11:26 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Richard W]
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You’re arguably most of the way there. Roon will decode MQA to 88/96 and send to your legacy Sooloos/DSPs.


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#275726 - 2018-05-04 11:37 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ludwig]
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You are in a great place with legacy kit that can get a good chunk of the MQA benefits.

Those with SE can get the cherry on top.

Those with SE that want things like Roon and room correction need M's help to make the 1st decoded signal a valid signal to render in the SE's.


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#275727 - 2018-05-04 11:45 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: ncpl]
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Is this also (in addition to SE's) the case with Prime and/or Explorer 2, or can they just render the Roon decoded stream?

I guess it's the same with Tidal app?


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#275730 - 2018-05-04 13:09 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ian]
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If I understand correctly, for those of us without SE DSP, Roon 1.5 would make MQA hardware like the 218 redundant - or not needed - to enjoy as much MQA as possible? Or does the 218 still add something to the decoding of MQA?


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#275731 - 2018-05-04 13:14 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Jeje]
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That was my thinking and why I didn’t buy a 218. With Roon I have first unfold and the option of DSP for no extra outlay. With the 218, I wouldn’t have the DSP option at all.
To get full MQA from my Meridian system, I would have to completely start again and with things sounding as nice as they do now, I don’t think I will bother.


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#275732 - 2018-05-04 13:25 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Jeje]
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Originally Posted By Jeje
If I understand correctly, for those of us without SE DSP, Roon 1.5 would make MQA hardware like the 218 redundant - or not needed - to enjoy as much MQA as possible? Or does the 218 still add something to the decoding of MQA?
Hi Jeje

You are correct and as Chris says with the ability to apply DSP it could be argued Roon is a better option. However the 218 can provide fully rendered MQA to its analog output should that be your setup?
It could also be argued that Tidal offer the first decode and I imagine 99% of MQA music is streamed from Tidal so Sooloos users with legacy DSP’s already have the best MQA can give them?

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#275733 - 2018-05-04 13:26 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Jeje]
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I don't have a 218 so cannot comment on its capabilities or SQ, but, from a signal path p.o.v. I don't think it offers non-SE speakers anything extra. It too can only do the first unfold for non-SE speakers.

Maybe the 218 does other stuff besides. I don't know.


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#275746 - 2018-05-04 20:54 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: ncpl]
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Just wondering why the default device settings in Roon for the 218 has ‘software decode’ set to ‘on’.


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#275747 - 2018-05-04 21:03 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: JobSeeker]
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I believe there is a software issue that Meridian are going to address.


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#275749 - 2018-05-04 22:11 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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I’ve worked it out. It doesn’t matter that Roon Decode is set to ‘on’, because the fact that the 218 device setting of ‘decoder and renderer’ overrides that.


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#275750 - 2018-05-04 22:12 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
Is this also (in addition to SE's) the case with Prime and/or Explorer 2, or can they just render the Roon decoded stream?

I guess it's the same with Tidal app?
I can confirm you cannot use Roon to do the first unfold, apply DSP, and pass onto a Prime HA to render as yet which is a real shame as I was looking forward tinkering with EQ while maintaining a ‘blue’ light. I believe this closes the question on all Meridian MQA products as SE speakers have been ruled out here and the Explorer2 is ruled out in the Roon forum frown.

I wonder if M will see any value in updating their software to accommodate this development or will perhaps see it as loosing too much control of the audio chain to put their name too.

It could also harm their sales of end points for SE speakers I guess, as all you would only need a simple and relatively inexpensive Allo Digi-one or equivalent instead of being forced down the 218 / 818 route where I imagine a significant amount of the cost has gone into the integrated DAC that SE owners would never use.


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#275756 - 2018-05-05 07:35 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Simon Mirren]
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Three points:

1. The "Enable MQA Decoder" setting is basically a nuclear option for those who don't want it in any shape or form. Most users should leave it on for all zones all of the time (which is why it's buried in advanced settings).

2. Yes, it's very disappointing that so many (all?) Meridian MQA devices have issues with decoded MQA inputs (with rendering information); I'm sure that this will be fixed.

3. You'll not get the blue or green light on a Prime or Explorer2 if the decoding takes place in Roon, because Authentication is performed (securely) on the device or software which performs the first unfold. The recommendation is that a magenta light should denote that the hardware is receiving an MQA stream which cannot be authenticated; I don't know if these Meridian devices have such a coloured light.


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#275786 - 2018-05-06 12:48 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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Point 3 is unfortunate, how would we know if the Prime or E2 was rendering then, assuming M provide a fix of some sort.


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#275787 - 2018-05-06 13:18 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Simon Mirren]
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Surely the MQA protocol has a provision for a decoded MQA stream to be authenticated and rendered by a supported device? Or is this currently just a Meridian issue?

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#275788 - 2018-05-06 13:39 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ratbert]
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I don't think that it's Meridian-only Russ. I think to do what you are suggesting, you'd need a cryptographically-secure means of transfer (like MHR).


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#275789 - 2018-05-06 13:43 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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Thanks Joel, so Roon doing the decode and applying DSP then adding the rendering information back before forwarding to the DAC even if it was capable of the MQA render would not currently work?

Just curious, I am quite satisfied with Roon MQA decode and DSP which I value more than the final render, ymmv.


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#275790 - 2018-05-06 13:51 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
so Roon doing the decode and applying DSP then adding the rendering information back before forwarding to the DAC even if it was capable of the MQA render would not currently work?
Please would you re-phrase this in different and less ambiguous English?!!! I'm not sure what you are getting at and whether or not your point is Meridian-specific.


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#275791 - 2018-05-06 13:57 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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I’ll try, and I haven’t started on the wine yet! frown

Roon can do the MQA decode?

Roon can apply DSP to that decoded file?

The rendering information decoded from the MQA file is retained in the file by Roon?

That rendering information can not be used by an MQA DAC because it did not do the decode?


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#275792 - 2018-05-06 14:26 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ratbert]
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Wrong on your last point. The decoder/renderer or renderer cannot Authenticate the provenance of the decoded MQA stream, but it can render it. Unless it's a Meridian device cry Please fix!!! :on-knees-praying:


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#275794 - 2018-05-06 14:31 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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Ok I understand now, lastly does not being able to authenticate have any impact?

sorry for previous confusing questions.


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#275795 - 2018-05-06 15:01 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Ratbert]
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The "impact" is, as I described: green and blue lights cannot be used, and decoders/renderers with textual displays need to communicate something different.

For example, the Pro-ject Pre Box S2 Digital displays "MQB" (which is accurate, but I don't think that this an approved phrase!).


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#275796 - 2018-05-06 15:02 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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Thanks for taking the time to answer.


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#275811 - 2018-05-07 08:46 MQA Unfold on Roon!
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... and MQA icons in the browser!

Nice one Viruskiller and mates. Please pass this lifetime subscriber's thanks on to the team. (and also the team at MQA that worked with them).

The update looks like it appeared last week. I'm over the moon with this. Just do the update, then hit the signal path button to see it.

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#275812 - 2018-05-07 09:25 Re: MQA Unfold on Roon! [Re: Ultima_GTR]
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Ensure you update all remotes as well as the core.


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#275819 - 2018-05-07 15:41 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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I don't think that it's Meridian-only Russ. I think to do what you are suggesting, you'd need a cryptographically-secure means of transfer (like MHR).
Which maybe not beyond the realms of possibility given where MQA and Roon have roots - might even get the studios on-board quicker if it also makes the music more difficult to copy and torrent.

I guess it would run the risk of reduced take up from hardware and software manufacturers if they would in effect have to pay for 2 licenses - one for MQA and another for the decryption - presumably Roon and Tidal would have to pay for an encryption license.

Still, not beyond the realms of possibility and surely the more distribution / mix and match options that MQA can allow for without sacrificing integrity, the more chance it has of long term success.

Someone has to provide proof of concept though... Come on Roon and M smile.


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#275825 - 2018-05-07 17:52 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Simon Mirren]
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Please re-read what I wrote: it relates to Authentication in a device downstream of the MQA decoder only. Full rendering will occur without any cryptographic link.

Knew I'd regret posting that. It was speculation only on my part.


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#275826 - 2018-05-07 17:54 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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#275827 - 2018-05-07 18:01 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Simon Mirren]
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Originally Posted By Simon Mirren
Point 3 is unfortunate, how would we know if the Prime or E2 was rendering then, assuming M provide a fix of some sort.
As I said, ideally, a magenta light to indicate that a decoded and renderable MQA stream was being received (and rendered).


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#275828 - 2018-05-07 18:37 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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I had assumed the M devices were not capable of displaying other colours - maybe I'll be in for a pleasant surprise if/when the fix happens. Presumably there must be a standard which also determines whether the decoded and renderable MQA stream is a studio master or not as we have a green and blue distinction now.


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#275829 - 2018-05-07 23:03 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Simon Mirren]
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Hi,

Where is this blue and green light to be seen?

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#275844 - 2018-05-08 11:50 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Frode]
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If Roon is performing the MQA decoding, the status is show on the signal path in the authentication section.

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#275852 - 2018-05-08 15:04 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Carl]
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Thanks,

And when 218 is performing MQA?

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#275853 - 2018-05-08 15:13 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Frode]
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Originally Posted By Frode
And when 218 is performing MQA?
If the 218 is performing the first decode then there will be a blue or green MQA light on the device to denote an Authenticated MQA stream. If the 218 is not performing the first decode... well, we'll have to wait and see what Meridian comes up with.


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#275854 - 2018-05-08 15:21 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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Aside from the light color glitches mentioned above.

I have to say, with this new 1.5 version, ROON is not not only surpassing Sooloos with its user interface, but also - for us, non SE users - finally with its sound quality by providing high res 24/96 stream out of TIDAL MQA files, whereas Sooloos will lag behind with redbook quality only. It's a huge milestone.


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#275857 - 2018-05-08 18:46 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Jeje]
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Apologies if I have already missed the answer to this query....

I've just upgraded to Roon 1.5, and gone to listen to one of my favourite MQA albums (streaming from Tidal).

Like lots of Tidal albums, there are 2 seemingly identical versions available on Tidal, with nothing (that I can see) to differentiate them.

Previously, when I played one through my DSP5200SEs, the display read MHR, and when I played the other version, the display read MQA. That was a great reassurance to me...!

Now when I toggle between the 2 available versions, both display MHR on the 5200s.

I suspect this is because the new Roon is doing some decoding somewhere, but how can I be sure I am listening to the MQA version, in the best possible resolution available over my hardware?

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#275858 - 2018-05-08 18:57 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: NeilF]
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Neil,

Sounds as though you have not setup the capabilities of your system in Roon post change to 1.5.

Go into Settings for your ID41 within Roon and set the ID41 MQA capabilities to 'Decoder and Rendered'.

This should sort it for your 818v2.

Edit: Or does one need 818v3 to do this - I forget as am on 808v6?

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#275859 - 2018-05-08 18:59 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: JCD]
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Would there be a noticeable difference?

Just wondering whether I'm missing out with my legacy speakers!


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#275860 - 2018-05-08 19:10 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: NeilF]
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Originally Posted By NeilF
Previously, when I played one through my DSP5200SEs, the display read MHR, and when I played the other version, the display read MQA.
Hi Neil,

Your signature box list an 818.2 but that can’t decode MQA ... so I wondering what device in the chain is performing the decode.

What device are you using to feed to your SE speaker?
Is you sig. box upto date?

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#275861 - 2018-05-08 19:13 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: JCD]
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Thank you John - that's sorted it!

I wish I better understood the technicalities of this stuff, but whilst I've been excited by the excitement generated by Roon V1.5 on this thread, I must confess I've no idea what it is I am supposed to be excited about...

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#275862 - 2018-05-08 19:14 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: James_L]
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Originally Posted By James_L
Would there be a noticeable difference?
Just wondering whether I'm missing out with my legacy speakers!
SE speaker are quite a step up in performance, with or without MQA in the mix.

I’d recommend auditioning a pair, but don’t tell you wallet wink

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#275863 - 2018-05-08 19:15 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: Carl]
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Hi Carl

I've just upgraded my profile (I'd previously upgraded my 818 to a v3).

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Edited by NeilF; 2018-05-08 19:19.
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#275864 - 2018-05-08 19:18 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: NeilF]
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818v3 ... cool ... now all the dots line up smile


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#275868 - 2018-05-08 23:43 Re: MQA Unfold on Roon! [Re: Ratbert]
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I’m loving the fact we now have an MQA icon and I believe bringing MQA ‘to the masses’ can only be a good thing.

Just don’t forget to turn the decoding off in Roon if you have an 818v3 as it can’t currently render partially decoded MQA to its full potential.


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#275869 - 2018-05-09 05:37 Re: MQA Unfold on Roon! [Re: Jeremy A-H]
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You don’t actually need to turn it off manually. Roon knows what the 818 can do and behaves accordingly.


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#275870 - 2018-05-09 05:46 Re: MQA Unfold on Roon! [Re: ncpl]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
You don’t actually need to turn it off manually. Roon knows what the 818 can do and behaves accordingly.
Yes, ensure that it's set to "Decoder and Renderer". If you don't use DSP (including volume normalisation) then the MQA stream is delivered bit-perfectly to the 818. OTOH, if you want to use DSP, you get the first decode in Roon plus the DSP (but currently no subsequent unfold/rendering in the 818).

But I can say, as someone who uses room correction, that first unfold + room correction + no rendering sounds so much better in my room than full unfold and no room correction.

Hopefully soon, with firmware updates from Meridan, we'll be able to have our cake and eat it.


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#275876 - 2018-05-09 12:22 Re: MQA Unfold on Roon! [Re: VirusKiller]
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Interestingly when Roon 1.5 was released representatives from different manufacturers with MQA devices were present online on the Roon forum to answer direct questions or offer advice to users, Peter Lie from Lumin, Andrew from DCS to name two.

In the case of Andrew a DCS issue was discovered and he made it known what it was, what was being done to fix it and the update was released this morning.

By contrast Meridian were not present in any noticeable way and despite the issues with rendering as explained by Joel here and by the Roon team on the Roon forum silence has been maintained.

No communication on roadmaps is understandable perhaps but no communication on anything either directly or via Premier Dealers is really not good enough.


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#275882 - 2018-05-09 14:13 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: VirusKiller]
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Tidal MQA file > Roon core 1.5 decoding > DSP application (in this case, Audeze filter) > RPI or Allo endpoint > iFI iDSD BL Nano DAC rendering with magenta light does work for me.

Decoding in Roon sent directly (no DSP) to Explorer², 218 and/or SE speakers does not work.
Does anyone know that Meridian is actually planning to fix this? Someday soon?


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#275883 - 2018-05-09 14:17 Re: Roon 1.5 is here, c/w MQA software decoding [Re: OldDogCan]
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According to a post on this Roon thread from John on the Roon team, yes.


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#276342 - 2018-05-25 13:07 Re: MQA Unfold on Roon! [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
Interestingly when Roon 1.5 was released representatives from different manufacturers with MQA devices were present online on the Roon forum to answer direct questions or offer advice to users, Peter Lie from Lumin, Andrew from DCS to name two.

In the case of Andrew a DCS issue was discovered and he made it known what it was, what was being done to fix it and the update was released this morning.

By contrast Meridian were not present in any noticeable way and despite the issues with rendering as explained by Joel here and by the Roon team on the Roon forum silence has been maintained.

No communication on roadmaps is understandable perhaps but no communication on anything either directly or via Premier Dealers is really not good enough.
I agree. Times have moved on and users expect this kind of presence and feedback these days. I worry it doesn't do the brand any favours.


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