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#275644 - 2018-05-02 11:31 QLED or OLED
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I’m in the market for a shiny new UHD TV and I’m undecided what flavour to go for.
Anyone care to offer some advice would be greatly appreciated.

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#275646 - 2018-05-02 11:55 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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Hard to better LG's OLEDs and the early ones WEBos and 3D implementations are so far ahead of anyone else's it's scary! Things to look for in a new TV include HLG (for broadcast 4K), HDR10 and Dolby Vision (UHD discs and streaming Netflix and Amazon) and HDMI-CEC if you're looking for Atmos sound and, usually, Optical Out if you're not.

Vincent Teoh works for www.hdtvtest.co.uk and regularly adds comparative Youtube videos about new TVs and is worth checking out.

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#275648 - 2018-05-02 12:02 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Meridialien]
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I have a 65 inch LG OLED and am very satisfied with it, picture quality is excellent especially 4k via Oppo 203.


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#275650 - 2018-05-02 12:38 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Ratbert]
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Now that prices are coming down to an acceptable level, my next one will be an OLED - probably LG.

I've had a few Samsungs now and whilst they have a superficially good picture their processing keeps tripping up (esp horizontal and vertical scrolling). Also, they have an irritating habit of not providing updates to recent products (my less than 2 year old top of the range will not get HLG even as it gets HDR10). The only upside at the moment is their separate Connect box - which allows you to hide all the wiring gubbins (except, strangely, ethernet) behind the cupboard, with a single cable routed through the wall to the display. If LG, or anyone else, did that I would probably rip it off the wall now!

Don't worry about screen burn, or the notional lack of light intesity; they aren't a factor IRL.


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#275651 - 2018-05-02 12:49 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: IanM]
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A few months ago I was strongly minded to buy OLED, but widespread reports of image retention, banding, and burn-in caused me to review my decision.

Today, if my Plasma died, I would have no hesitation in buying the all-new Samsung Q9FN (2018). I've seen this FALD (full array local dimming) product in John Lewis. It is the most 'OLED like' panel that I've seen. The viewing angles are good too.

In its review of the Samsung Q9FN, AVForums has awarded it ‘Reference Status’ with a perfect score of 10.


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#276176 - 2018-05-18 16:37 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: spinaltap]
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I finally went for the 2018 “7” series QLED.


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#276182 - 2018-05-18 18:51 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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Enjoy it!

If you don't mind me asking, was that after a side-by-side comparison or based on online reviews? If it was side-by-side, what swung it for you?


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#276193 - 2018-05-19 06:00 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: IanM]
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We'll be looking to buy a new TV later in the year so I'm interested in this topic. As a general rule of thumb, do OLED TVs have enough punch to work well with ambient light or are they better used in light-controlled conditions?


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#276201 - 2018-05-19 11:54 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: IanM]
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Well it came down to a few things really, I have for sometime been reviewing several brands some within budget some not, the ones which where in budget could have been 2017 models but the new Samsung had a few new features over the old model and was in budget.

I did the obligatory visit to Curry’s/John Lewis to view in person and I did prefer the Samsung over the Older “B7” so my choice was made.

Now whilst set up is a doddle and the picture glorious and no doubt I shall get it calibrated it has had its teething problems:

- Firstly after initial setup it failed to recognise Sky as a source input, and resulted in a 28 minute call to support where they remote accessed it and worked some magic.

- Then later the same afternoon Sky lost its sound thus also resulting in a call to technical.

So I’ve lived with the new TV for several days now and I’m really happy with my purchase however I’ve now encountered a new issue, now some of it could possibly be operator error let’s hope so. Previously I would run all of my sources through my DVDO Edge then along to my old 1080P Samsung ... all sources in HD and all was fine until I connected existing HDMI cable into the new TV and now all sources are in SD is it the TV the Edge or the cable at fault here?


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#276671 - 2018-06-04 15:52 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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So after several weeks of ownership I’ve had to return two Q7’s and Sky has also upgraded my box to the latest model and I’ve come to the conclusion Sky Q and my QLED don’t play nice together.

So I’m now a proud owner of the 2018 LG C8 OLED.

Jonathan


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#276674 - 2018-06-04 16:21 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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I have an LG Oled and SkyQ and they work together perfectly for me.


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#276699 - 2018-06-05 11:17 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Ratbert]
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It’s was the QLED that didn’t play nice,the new OLED works just as it should with skyq.
One thing I will say the OLED picture hasn’t blown me away as yet.


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#276700 - 2018-06-05 11:30 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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Hi Jon

That's really interesting. I have an early generation LG OLED which delights on a daily basis, so I'm interested to hear where you find the pros and cons lie between each? I'm not currently in the market, but intrigued as OLED is so often held up as the gold standard display technology. Also wondering how they compare with olde worlde 1080 24p sources like Bluray? (I have no UHD inclinations at present!)

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George

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#276763 - 2018-06-07 08:42 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Mr Meridian]
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One thing to do with OLED, which goes against the grain of nearly every review and calibrator, in the UK anyway, is turn the OLED backlight up to around 95 and then turn the contrast to around 60-65.
Most do it the other way round, so OLED light on 40ish and contrast on 85 or something.
The problem with that is the brightness limiter kicks in too quickly, so get a scene of snow and it no longer pops.


So set it for one of the ISF modes and then try the above.


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#276764 - 2018-06-07 08:54 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: gIzzE]
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I thought the whole point of OLED was that it didn't have a backlight.


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#276766 - 2018-06-07 09:51 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Neil H]
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It doesn't, but you can still adjust how bright/hard you drive each pixel, which is effected by 'OLED Light' and 'Contrast'.


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#276779 - 2018-06-07 12:50 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
So set it for one of the ISF modes and then try the above.
Definitely good advice. I also found the default white balance way too warm. Looked very odd.

Id have a google for 'optimum tv settings' for the model number of your tv. Normally something comes up on avforums. Then use that as a starting point.

Or buy a calibrator, but that could be another rabbit warren......!


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#276780 - 2018-06-07 13:11 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Greg Wright]
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I have no doubt that the OLED isn’t a cabable machine but not straight out of the box as the QLED was,
It certainly doesn’t “pop” like the Samsung but some could say it looks a little fake whereas the LG is more natural.
Now this could be the source material that I’m using ie skyq,Netflix and prime,looks like it’s in need of a professional calibrator.....any recommendations for the Cambridgeshire area.

Jonathan


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#276781 - 2018-06-07 13:22 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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John, have you tried adjusting the settings like I said with OLED light and Contrast.

Do that before going further, to me OLED is far too dull otherwise.


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#276783 - 2018-06-07 13:35 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: gIzzE]
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Yes, just this second, I've been tinkering since it ve had it but haven’t really settled on any concrete settings as yet.

The settings you recommend do make a difference but I’m expert on such things so more tinkering required or a professional calibrator.

It’s a shame about the Samsung it had many things that I liked about it, but just too glitchy until a new firmware arrives.

Jonathan


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#276785 - 2018-06-07 13:49 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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Jon

Are these settings of any interest, might be worth giving them a try?

Russ


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#276786 - 2018-06-07 14:00 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Ratbert]
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Thanks for posting those Russ, I’ve seen similar darted all over the net and didn’t really pay attention thinking each has a different viewing experience, maybe I should check if any 2018 C8 settings have appeared on AVforums yet.

Jonathan


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#276795 - 2018-06-07 17:06 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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I had my Pio Kuro 50” ISF calibrated a few years ago. When that screen finally dies I will get whatever the next screen is calibrated as well. I thought I had tweaked it myself ok but I was embarrassed to see just how far off I was.

Would be good to know if the latest OLED screens can be calibrated in the same way to yield similar results.


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#276796 - 2018-06-07 17:20 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: ncpl]
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Who did it and what was the cost?


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#276797 - 2018-06-07 17:45 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Ratbert]
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Try Gordon Fraser @ Convergent AV. He's also the UK's Lumagen dealer.


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#276798 - 2018-06-07 19:25 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Rolski]
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Hi Russ

It was Gordon (as noted above). He was in the neighbourhood doing my mate’s screen. I can’t remember what I paid. Guessing it was a couple of hundred but IMHO worth every penny.


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#276799 - 2018-06-07 19:38 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: ncpl]
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#276804 - 2018-06-08 06:47 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: ncpl]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
It was Gordon (as noted above). He was in the neighbourhood doing my mate’s screen. I can’t remember what I paid. Guessing it was a couple of hundred but IMHO worth every penny.
Worth every penny! It made such a difference. Gordon's been to the Isle of Man too wink


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#276805 - 2018-06-08 07:20 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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Originally Posted By Jon Raines
So after several weeks of ownership I’ve had to return two Q7’s and Sky has also upgraded my box to the latest model and I’ve come to the conclusion Sky Q and my QLED don’t play nice together.
FWIW, on reading AVForums, there are similar reports of OLED owners experiencing the same problem - even after having their SkyQ boxes swapped.


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#276806 - 2018-06-08 08:22 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: spinaltap]
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Hence the phrase , 'Sky ...Believe in Better ' :O)

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#276813 - 2018-06-08 09:53 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: spinaltap]
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What specifically was the issue with SkyQ and OLED ?

I ask because I experience an odd issue with the Kuro from time to time.


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#276826 - 2018-06-08 12:21 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: ncpl]
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ncpl,

I can answer that for the QLED but for the OLED I get lip sync drift where it starts off ok then looses sync then returns to normal... this happens when taking optical from the OLED not so when optical direct from sky to processor.

That's about it for me, OLED and Sky play fine otherwise.

Jonathan


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#276827 - 2018-06-08 12:22 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
Originally Posted By Jon Raines
So after several weeks of ownership I’ve had to return two Q7’s and Sky has also upgraded my box to the latest model and I’ve come to the conclusion Sky Q and my QLED don’t play nice together.
FWIW, on reading AVForums, there are similar reports of OLED owners experiencing the same problem - even after having their Sky Q boxes swapped.
Could you post a link to the topic please.

Jonathan


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#276833 - 2018-06-08 15:22 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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For example, post 3290 is from an E7 owner.


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#276909 - 2018-06-09 15:29 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Ado]
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I have the last generation Kuro KRP 500A and upgraded to the top of the range panasonic EZ1000 65 inch OLED 6 months ago.

The Kuro remains fantastic even though I never calibrated it, especially in the pure mode setting with all the processing switched off.

I only upgraded because I wanted the bigger screen.

The panasonic OLED is a step up, especially for resolution and I guess deeper blacks but what really stands out is the natural colours it outputs. the natural look of the output is comparable to the Kuro.

I guess it just goes to show how great the Kuros were!


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#276927 - 2018-06-10 10:50 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Nav Garayal]
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I calibrated the life out of my 500M, plus tweaked it for better black levels too, it was pretty special, but even my first 1080p OLED was better.

I have a B6 now and absolutely no intention of upgrading unless something truly special comes out in the future.


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#276928 - 2018-06-10 10:53 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: gIzzE]
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Who makes the B6?


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#276929 - 2018-06-10 11:04 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: VirusKiller]
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#276931 - 2018-06-10 11:42 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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Originally Posted By Jon Raines
LG
Shortest post ever? smile


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#276936 - 2018-06-10 12:31 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Not'arf]
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Sometimes you can just say too much.


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#276938 - 2018-06-10 13:31 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Jon Raines]
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Couldn't agree more. Somebody (can't remember who) came up with the great phrase; "Why use one word when none will do?".

smile


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#276945 - 2018-06-10 14:57 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Not'arf]
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#276975 - 2018-06-11 15:39 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Shaun]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
It was Gordon (as noted above). He was in the neighbourhood doing my mate’s screen. I can’t remember what I paid. Guessing it was a couple of hundred but IMHO worth every penny.
Worth every penny! It made such a difference. Gordon's been to the Isle of Man too wink
I came across Gordon at Convergent AV after Shaun mentioned him on here a while ago. I contacted him recently re some (black) cinema wall coverings & ended up (yesterday) buying a Lumagen Pro 4242 scaler & I'm looking forward to Gordon visiting us to install / configure it & to calibrate the PJ once we've moved out to France. That's service!


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#277030 - 2018-06-12 13:57 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Not'arf]
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#277175 - 2018-06-16 20:28 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: dpstjp]
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Hmm. Any thoughts on the Samsung QE75Q7F (as the price of this is now sub £4k)? Presumably the same product family as Jon bought originally? Would be a replacement for my projector (82" screen) if I can get it into the basement; and I'd need to feed it from my Lumagen XD.


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#277176 - 2018-06-16 20:51 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: VirusKiller]
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Another quite serious possibility would be the (considerably cheaper) Samsung UE75MU8000. I know this is an LED TV, but it would be going into a cave. What are the main disadvantages? Obviously blacks won't be as black as on the QLED. I note that this model has a 10 year screen burn warranty.

In terms of picture quality, I'm looking for something comparable to my aging JVC HD-1 projector. The primary reason for a change would be elimination of projector fan noise.


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#277180 - 2018-06-17 05:46 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: VirusKiller]
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That Vantablack would be ideal but may run over budget!

VK; I'd have thought that pretty much any modern TV would better an old PJ in terms of PQ & if you were "only" running an 82" screen then it would be a win-win. There are quite a few 75" sets out there that would pretty much give you the square-footage that you're used to.

In fact, I've just dug out an old copy of Home Cinema Choice (Sept 2017) where they test 4 premium sets; 3 OLEDs (LG 65" W7, £8,000 / Loewe Bild 7.65, £6,500 / Panasonic TX-65EZ1002, £6,000) against Sony's larger LCD (75" XE9405, £4,900) & they found the Sony to be the winner.

Presumably any still knocking around could be found for less than the prices quoted, too.


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#277183 - 2018-06-17 07:42 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Not'arf]
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Dang! Viewing angle.


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#277186 - 2018-06-17 08:31 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
Hmm. Any thoughts on the Samsung QE75Q7F (as the price of this is now sub £4k)?
If you can wait until the current price subsides I would buy the 75Q9FN. I saw one last week. The picture is the most ‘OLED’ like you’ll ever find.


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#277187 - 2018-06-17 08:49 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By Not'arf
In fact, I've just dug out an old copy of Home Cinema Choice (Sept 2017) where they test 4 premium sets; 3 OLEDs (LG 65" W7, £8,000 / Loewe Bild 7.65, £6,500 / Panasonic TX-65EZ1002, £6,000) against Sony's larger LCD (75" XE9405, £4,900) & they found the Sony to be winner.
I will try and look for that review.

I calibrated a friends 75 XE9405 for him, and on bright scenes it is stunning, but no matter how much you try and get the blacks right they never are. He came from an early LG OLED and was a bit disappointed.
However, he stuck with it as he was wanting to get rid of his JVC projector.

It is a good set with reference stuff, but with TV it always looks a bit washed out, especially when you have a scene with dark and light at the same time.

Viewing angles are pants too, something I tried to explain to him before buying it, but after years of plasmas and projectors I don't think he realised how bad. His sofas are laid out with one either side of the room and an armchair in front, he had to move it all around as even laying back on one of the side sofas so you are only slightly off centre would make the blacks look a washed out blue.

He paid just under £3k for it, he said if it had been more he would have returned it, but was never going to pay for a 75" OLED.


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#277188 - 2018-06-17 09:31 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
Originally Posted By VirusKiller
Hmm. Any thoughts on the Samsung QE75Q7F (as the price of this is now sub £4k)?
If you can wait until the current price subsides I would buy the 75Q9FN. I saw one last week. The picture is the most ‘OLED’ like you’ll ever find.
The 2018 QLED’s have a fantastic picture but I’m not convinced they don’t have an issue with their one connect box.


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#277189 - 2018-06-17 09:37 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
If you can wait until the current price subsides I would buy the 75Q9FN. I saw one last week. The picture is the most ‘OLED’ like you’ll ever find.
Yeah, I saw one on Friday at the local Samsung shop and it looked amazing. Unfortunately, my realization that viewing angle is a major factor would appear to rule out anything but OLED. And the best retail prices are still way too expensive for my liking. I need to measure, but pretty sure that the non-centre seats in my basement will be viewing parts of the screen at >45º.


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#277192 - 2018-06-17 11:41 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: VirusKiller]
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Samsung TVs always look good in shops because of the brightness control. for real world tv watching however i have found them too biright, over saturated colours , poor black levels and poor motion control (footballs appearing as comets flying across the pitch). You cant go wrong with a decent plasma or OLED. I have the Panasonic EZ1000 65 inch OLED and its excellent


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#277199 - 2018-06-17 16:13 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: Nav Garayal]
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The 2018 Samsung viewing angles are better, up to 40 degrees off-centre - especially on the Q9FN.


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#277202 - 2018-06-17 17:21 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: spinaltap]
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That's worth knowing. I think a trip to John Lewis is in order...


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#277203 - 2018-06-17 18:39 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: VirusKiller]
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I’ll be taking a look this week (smaller screens though). Will let you know what I find.


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#277231 - 2018-06-18 14:16 Re: QLED or OLED [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
I will try and look for that review.
If you can't find it I can scan / email it to you.


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