Google Search  |  Meridian Systems  |  Meridian Streaming  |  Restaurant  |  WiKi  |  Duncan's Meridian Info  |  Board Rules  |  Restaurant Rules
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
Topic Options
Rate This Topic
#275096 - 2018-04-12 14:36 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Ratbert]
Registered: 2015-03-16
Posts: 85
Laserblues2 Offline
Hitchhiker
Laserblues2 Offline
Hitchhiker

Registered: 2015-03-16
Posts: 85
Loc: Hong Kong
I’ve got the Oppo 105D - I realise it isn’t a Roon end point but could be used I think with the Mac Mini and USB cable to it? Unless I get another endpoint - is a MS200 the best option for this? Or are there are other options that would work as well?

I wonder if the QNAP would offer many benefits over the Synology if just being used as a source of files? Don’t mind getting one if it’s necessary just not sure if it’s going to be beneficial?

I’ve set up Roon on the MacBook Pro to have a play & see. All the devices are relatively close so LAN cables for now won’t be an issue & I should be able to run one up to the roof easily enough for when I have something running up there

Thanks for your help& guidance!!


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
Top
#275097 - 2018-04-12 14:41 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Greg Wright]
Registered: 2006-11-08
Posts: 4,011
dpstjp Offline
Vogon Civil Servant
dpstjp Offline
Vogon Civil Servant

Registered: 2006-11-08
Posts: 4,011
Loc: London, England
Greg beat me to it.

The Mac Mini can be fitted easily with an SSD and more RAM. Don't bother to buy a new NAS, waste of time when you already have the Mac Mini which should easily be able to handle Roon and can be headless if necessary once set up properly.


Sooloos, Roon, G series (with LPS upgrade), 800 series (with LPS upgrade), HD621, AC200, Prime and PS, DSPs old and new.

Purdeys, Moke, Leica, 'Blad. Only the best.
Top
#275099 - 2018-04-12 14:57 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: dpstjp]
Registered: 2015-03-16
Posts: 85
Laserblues2 Offline
Hitchhiker
Laserblues2 Offline
Hitchhiker

Registered: 2015-03-16
Posts: 85
Loc: Hong Kong
Thanks, I think that’s probably the best option. I helped my Dad swap his out a few months ago & it wasn’t too bad. I just had a go at installing it on the MacBook Pro - seemed to be doing really well & was indexing then suddenly disappeared from the iPad. Not sure what happened but it lost connection to the NAS & lost all the tracks. Will have a play again tomorrow & might try it from the iMac to see what it’s like on there instead. I’ll go out & grab an SSD to swap the Mac Mini & then use that for a while.

I guess the best output would be through the AudioQuest Dragonfly to the G68 for now or maybe even just USB into the Oppo. Will have a play once it’s running again.

It seemed amazingly quick to get it connected & start on the indexing.


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
Top
#275101 - 2018-04-12 15:30 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
Registered: 2007-11-23
Posts: 517
Greg Wright Online content
Paranoid android
Greg Wright Online content
Paranoid android

Registered: 2007-11-23
Posts: 517
Loc: Surrey, UK

The dragonfly is definitely a good option, but I would have a look at the MS200. As pointed out, its being discontinued, but that also means bargains are out there.

You dont mention what speakers you have, but personally I would avoid the G68 for 2 channel music, and definitely avoid the HD621.

If you have DSP speakers, I would drive the second input directly from the MS200.

Cheers
Greg


M owner since '97
Top
#275106 - 2018-04-12 15:54 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
Registered: 2006-11-08
Posts: 4,011
dpstjp Offline
Vogon Civil Servant
dpstjp Offline
Vogon Civil Servant

Registered: 2006-11-08
Posts: 4,011
Loc: London, England
You can fit the SSD as a second drive if you get the right connection unit. Slightly more fiddly though.

That Mac Mini will also handle 16GB of RAM if you fancied a little extra.


Sooloos, Roon, G series (with LPS upgrade), 800 series (with LPS upgrade), HD621, AC200, Prime and PS, DSPs old and new.

Purdeys, Moke, Leica, 'Blad. Only the best.
Top
#275114 - 2018-04-12 21:40 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: dpstjp]
Registered: 2015-03-16
Posts: 85
Laserblues2 Offline
Hitchhiker
Laserblues2 Offline
Hitchhiker

Registered: 2015-03-16
Posts: 85
Loc: Hong Kong
Greg - I’ve got Focal speakers so standard analogue ones. 826VW’s as floor standing speakers at the front, CC800VW as the centre and 807VW’s as rears.

I’m not too sure how I could avoid using the G68 now?

I’d happily stick in some extra ram - should probably check what’s in there right now. I’ll have a look for the second connection options although it’s not used much these days so would literally only be for Roon - I guess it’d be easier if the SSD was a second drive as then there’s no messing about reinstalling it

Thanks

Nick


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
Top
#275117 - 2018-04-13 04:03 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
Registered: 2016-11-27
Posts: 193
Struttmaster Offline
Hitchhiker
Struttmaster Offline
Hitchhiker

Registered: 2016-11-27
Posts: 193
Loc: Gold Coast, Queensland, Austra...
Hi Nick,

Have a look at the Meridian 218. I have one between my G68ADV and analogues front speakers. It gives me full stereo MQA from its Ethernet input along with seamless integration with the G68, so the processor, (and front analogue speakers, and HD621) can continue to be used for HT duties. I have digital centre and rear speakers and it all blends together fine.

I also have a couple of MS200’s and they are great, but won’t give you full MQA. They would also need to be installed upstream of the G68 as they don’t have a built in DAC like the 218.

Both products work with Roon and Sooloos. Just be aware that the Meridian products utilise a different streaming protocol to Roon, so although the Meridian streaming endpoint gear works fine with both Roon and Sooloos, currently you cannot link zones in Roon with non Meridian endpoints meaning if you want to have numerious zones playing simultaneously the endpoints need to be Meridian or RAAT, (the Roon streaming protocol). I have a mixture throughout my home and it’s no drama, just something to be aware of. I am hoping one day both protocols will be compatible to allow linking of zones.

If you are considering the 218 I would keep a look out for MS200’s so you can easily link and switch between zones. The MS200’s are going out of production and are currently on special. They also pop up in the restaurant. Think there are a couple there now.

I also have a turntable / phono stage plugged into the 218 and it sounds very good.

Andrew



HT: G68ADV w/LPS, HD621, DSP5000 F&C 24/96, DSP3100, Allo digi
Office: Fanless 7i5 running ROCK, 218, Woo Audio WA2 (w/50yo Tung-Sol tubes), Focal Utopia
Family Room. Grandinote Volta, Ultra rendu w/LPS 1.2, Prime with PSU, Grandinote Shinai
Bedroom: MRendu w/IsoREGEN, 568.2mm, 598, 3100C
BBQ/Party: Raspberry Pi, Explorer 2, F80
Edited by Struttmaster; 2018-04-13 08:16.
Top
#275118 - 2018-04-13 04:34 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
Registered: 2013-03-12
Posts: 91
Rick415 Offline
Hitchhiker
Rick415 Offline
Hitchhiker

Registered: 2013-03-12
Posts: 91
Loc: San Francisco, USA
Translation:

RPi = Raspberry Pi computer, about $35. Can be used as a Roon endpoint by installing Ropieee software (free). Very easy to set up.

SPDIF = digital audio connection, usually with RCA connectors, but sometimes BNC

Allo = company that makes a board for the RPi which outputs digital audio over a SPDIF connection ($100).

So for about $135 you can make a decent sounding Roon endpoint. Add a good power supply and it sounds quite good.

LPS = linear power supply (as opposed to switching). Linear is much lower noise, so better for audio gear. Can make a big difference. Usually $300 - $400

218 = Meridian 218. DAC, MQA decoder, and Roon/Soolos endpoint. $1000




G68ADV, DSP5200, Rythmik F12 sub, RPi2 with Sbooster power supply, Allo SPDIF output board and Roon
Top
#275121 - 2018-04-13 08:10 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
Registered: 2006-11-08
Posts: 4,011
dpstjp Offline
Vogon Civil Servant
dpstjp Offline
Vogon Civil Servant

Registered: 2006-11-08
Posts: 4,011
Loc: London, England
Nick,

I would just clone the current hard drive from the Mac Mini onto the new SSD. I use an Icy Box Clone Station to clone mine. Examples Here. If you are only going to use it for Roon you won’t be needing a massive SSD.

Once you’ve cloned the current drive pop the SSD in and it should just start without faffing around reinstalling OSX. Then clean out any unwanted programmes and you’re good to run Roon.


Sooloos, Roon, G series (with LPS upgrade), 800 series (with LPS upgrade), HD621, AC200, Prime and PS, DSPs old and new.

Purdeys, Moke, Leica, 'Blad. Only the best.
Top
#275122 - 2018-04-13 09:21 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Rick415]
Registered: 2002-02-14
Posts: 8,470
ncpl Offline
President of the Imperial Galactic Government
ncpl Offline

President of the Imperial Galactic Government

Registered: 2002-02-14
Posts: 8,470
Loc: Surrey, UK
5V Linear PSU

I run an RPi loaded with Roon and a USB DAC on one of these 5V LPS units.

I can't comment on the relative performance vs other branded LPS units at $300-400 but worth a look as the overall cost of a Roon zone is very accessible....especially in Meridian terms.

Performance is excellent.


Rgds,
Nick

#15SE
Top
#275123 - 2018-04-13 10:28 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
Registered: 2007-11-23
Posts: 517
Greg Wright Online content
Paranoid android
Greg Wright Online content
Paranoid android

Registered: 2007-11-23
Posts: 517
Loc: Surrey, UK
Originally Posted By Laserblues2
I guess it’d be easier if the SSD was a second drive as then there’s no messing about reinstalling it
Unless you boot off the SSD, you wont gain the performance boost, so wouldnt be worth the effort and cost.

What I did was buy a cheap external disk enclosure. Fit the SSD and then just formatted it.
Then fit the SSD to the Mac
Then I booted off my Time Machine backup and restored that to the SSD

Regards
Greg


M owner since '97
Top
#275134 - 2018-04-13 15:23 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Greg Wright]
Registered: 2015-03-16
Posts: 85
Laserblues2 Offline
Hitchhiker
Laserblues2 Offline
Hitchhiker

Registered: 2015-03-16
Posts: 85
Loc: Hong Kong
Thanks Andrew - will have a look, having just bought a bunch of other Meridian stuff I may hold off for now but will definitely take the time to look it up & learn more about it.

I don’t think we’ll want to link zones often but I guess it’s worth bearing in mind just in case.

Thanks Rick for the translation!! I need to look it all up & learn more. I have a Raspberry Pi but not done much with it in a long time. Could be a great way to have multiple zones though - is that what you’ve done? Can you link them so they play together?

Not too fussed about any of the data on it, I don’t think. Will have a look and see but think it’s fairly clear. Sounds like it may make sense to buy a 1tb drive as they aren’t that much more than say a 128gb and then I could store music on it as well which would cut out the requirement for the NAS & then means I could free up some space. It’s been playing today but frequently had hardware or network issues so skipped a track - I was reading & sounds like it could be a bug but also the MBPR isn’t connected by Ethernet to the lan. So maybe it’s the WiFi / NAS.

Thanks Nick, will look up the PSU.

Greg - figured that may be the case. Thinking it’s probably better / easier to buy one drive than messing about fitting two.

Thanks again,
Nick


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
Top
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2

Moderator:  Carl, Duncs, ncpl 
Who's Online
7 registered (David Jackson, Colin Triggs, Mario, Fitcaz, Messier84, JCD), 52 Guests and 1 Spider online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Cinema_Guy, gmamarov, AnalogueMan, Fravilaro, MadScientist
4688 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
CMB Integrations - Bruce 31
Gwho 26
ChrisLayerUK 24
Mr Meridian 24
3dit0r 23
Top Posters
VirusKiller 12413
Fiddler 8667
ncpl 8470
Carl 7790
Ian 7568
Forum Stats
4,688 Registered Members
18 Forums
25,597 Topics
258,278 Posts

Most users ever online: 211 @ 2015-05-05 14:40
Meridian  |  Media Centre  |  Support  |  Firmware Release Notes  |  RSS Systems  |  RSS Streaming  |  RSS Restaurant