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#275057 - 2018-04-12 02:46 Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now?
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I’m pretty new to Meridian gear (other than just a power amp to drive my speakers) and looking to understand more / make some decisions about the direction in which I should take my system.

Current hifi setup is
G55, G68, HD621 & a Oppo 105D with things being streamed from the NAS.

I was considering buying a MC200 to store the music and to remove any necessity from the NAS. I then started to look at Roon and I do like the idea, as I would like to have a second zone upstairs on our roof and I have a spare G55 and G57 which I can use. I haven’t got any outdoor speakers yet but will get some soon ish.

So ideally I want to have an easy way, with rich info on the music, to play across a couple of zones. Focusing just on the main area first…. Is it better to buy a MC200 now and forget Roon for the time being? Setup the Roon Core on the MacBook Pro Retina then use the Mac Mini with the Dragonfly USB DAC as a source out to the G68 or perhaps use an Apple TV (we’ve got a 3rd & 4th gen which aren’t used these days) out to the HD621 and allow that to process the music?

I was tempted to go down the Sooloos route but reading forums and watching videos etc, makes me think that maybe ending up with Roon and a dedicated Rock on a NUC would make more sense?

Any advice / direction would be really appreciated

Thanks

Nick

Current things at home that could be used
2016 iMac 27” Retina 5k (would rather not have this one 24/7)
2013 MacBook Pro Retina
2011 Mac Mini
2013 Synology DS413 (with a bunch of flacs etc)
Audioquest Dragonfly
Apple TV (3rd & 4th gen)
Meridian G55 x 2, G57, HD621
Oppo 105D


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#275059 - 2018-04-12 05:17 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
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You could get a 218 but you’ll need a USB to SPDIF converter. Or to avoid USB all together you can use an RPi with Allo SPDIF board which is pretty good especially if you add an LPS.


G68ADV, DSP5200, Rythmik F12 sub, RPi2 with Sbooster power supply, Allo SPDIF output board and Roon
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#275060 - 2018-04-12 05:29 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Rick415]
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If you currently have neither then as long as your NAS runs an Intel COU you can download Sooloos free of charge and see what you think of it.

Roon is available on a free demonstration so having tried Sooloos you can then compare, one major difference is Sooloos only supports Meridian hardware, Roon supports hardware from many manufacturers.

Your thoughts of running ROCK OS on a NUC is exactly what I do but compared to running Sooloos on your NAS there is a cost to be considered on hardware and the Roon licence although for testing you could use your iMac.

One thing I would advise before you start, keep a copy of all your music in its native format somewhere safe, Sooloos imports your music but does not follow the typical artist / album file structure, Roon does not.

Russ


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#275062 - 2018-04-12 07:12 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Ratbert]
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What spec is the Mac Mini? How many albums do you have?


Sooloos, Roon, G series (with LPS upgrade), 800 series (with LPS upgrade), HD621, AC200, Prime and PS, DSPs old and new.

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#275070 - 2018-04-12 11:12 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: dpstjp]
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The Mac Mini is 2.5ghz, Intel Core i5 (2nd Gen) (Sandy Bridge) & I think it's 8gb ram. I'll check as it's not plugged in at the moment. GPU is AMD Radeon HD 6630M.

Apparently we have 700 GB of music across 25k tracks. I'm not sure this is correct though

Looking at the spec of the DS413 I'm not too sure if it's an Intel chip or not.


Rick415 - tried sticking your comment in Google translate but it couldn't understand either! Hahaha sorry!! wink

Maybe I should have a play & copy a small portion of music onto another driver or folder and see how it runs. See whether we like it & then decide. I could also swap out the drive on the Mac Mini to a SSD which I guess would make it better to run Roon.

Could I turn the Mac Mini into a Rock? I don't know whether this would be possible - given I'm not that techy maybe that answers the question!

Thank you!


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#275071 - 2018-04-12 11:18 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
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The Sooloos app will only work on a QNAP NAS with an Intel CPU, sorry for any confusion?


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#275073 - 2018-04-12 11:20 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
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ROCK is designed for the NUC, some have made it work on other devices but you would be on your own regarding support.


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#275082 - 2018-04-12 12:05 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Ratbert]
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Ah ok, no worries to both.

I'll have a play with the MacBook Pro & see what it's like & then make a decision. I guess it'll be best to maybe use the Dragonfly DAC out to the amp with a phono connection or maybe directly into the Oppo but not sure if that'll work. Will have a play and see.

Any suggestions on the best output would be great...

Thank you

Nick


G55, G68XXV, HD621, Oppo 105D, MacBook running Roon
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#275086 - 2018-04-12 12:39 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Laserblues2]
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Nick

For Roon or Sooloos? Which Oppo do you have, the 203 and 205 are both Roon endpoints.


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#275088 - 2018-04-12 12:56 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Ratbert]
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Given the size of your music library, I would buy a QNAP for music storage (it’s more flexible than an MC200). Then, before they all disapper forever, buy 2 x MS200’s - one for each zone to be served. Add Devolo homeplugs for mains/Ethernet connection. Sooloos control via an iPad.

Utilising a QNAP is more practical than having to boot your Mac every time someone in the house wants to hear music.


My Mac can go all the way to XI - Mac user since 1988.
Meridian owner since 1993.
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#275089 - 2018-04-12 12:58 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: spinaltap]
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QNAP as Sooloos Store and Core? MS200s are ok but obsolete so I would weigh up the options before purchase certainly if MQA is a factor or if considering Roon? Devolo plugs again can be a solution where running a LAN cable is not possible but my preference would be to cable the endpoint if possible.

I think the MacBook Pro would be to demo Roon with possibly a NUC replacing it going forward.


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#275095 - 2018-04-12 14:33 Re: Roon vs Sooloos if you're starting out now? [Re: Ratbert]
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A cost effective alternative is fit an SSD to the Mac Mini. This will then run very quiet and be quite performant, enough to run Roon.

Then use the existing NAS to store music files.

I upgraded my MacMini recently paying £100 for a 500GB SSD from Amazon. It has transformed the machine. It's a little bit fiddly, but there are plenty of videos on the web showing you how to do it.

Cheers
Greg


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