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#274480 - 2018-03-24 00:14 DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers
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Hi everyone!

Actually I have a pair of DSP8000 (GEN1) but I am just curious to see if any one out there had done a direct comparison against other similar price range speakers eg. Wilson Audio Sasha, Alexia, etc.,,

Just curious how you guys feels about what you guys have heard : )

Have a wonderful weekend guys!

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#274489 - 2018-03-24 09:37 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: 911turbos]
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It all depends on your DAC, pre + main Amp and wiring set up you choose for the non active speakers and if that result is to your liking and budget.

DSP8000 consistently sound the same as a whole, and perhaps often easier to set up in a room.

When you go out for listening make sure you listen to 8000SE, that would be a great upgrade for you.

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#274492 - 2018-03-24 12:29 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: JaapJan]
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Agreed JaapJan.

Re 911 turbos OP

8000 amps were designed as integral parts of the speakers, and as such perform consistently well in the majority of consumers environments.
To compare with non active analogue speakers is far more difficult as you rightly suggest.

Getting the best combination of all system components for your personal taste, in your listening space, including a credible DAC, is far more difficult and often more expensive than the very flexible M SE solutions available today.

If you have the time and a willing cooperative supplier of High End units (new or previously owned) it is IMHO possible to achieve an excellent result, however it is vital to audition considered equipment in your own listening space.

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#274496 - 2018-03-24 14:23 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: 911turbos]
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I’ve had both but only Wilson System 8s (although i’ve heard others).

I’d say Meridian have a “house sound” as do Wilson’s to some extent. Both are fabulous.

Having built in amps and DACs can be a blessing or a curse. Built in doesn’t allow much scratch itching, you can’t keep up with the fast developing digital Hi-Fi, just look what’s happened the last few years (or more like what’s not happened!). So you can get left behind. Left behind with a fabulous Hi-Fi doesn’t suck... You can even end up listening to more music...

Personally I like a new toy every now and again.

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#274506 - 2018-03-25 02:23 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: 911turbos]
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I had the 8000/SE as my main speakers for over 10 years and have just now moved to Wilson Alexia + Dan. The 8000s are still around.

I find the Wilson's have a clearly different house sound, which to me sound very forward (i.e. midrange and vocals relatively emphasised). It has given me a new take on hundreds of tracks that I have grown used to listening over the years in the Meridian sound.

It is entirely one's taste I guess. I knew what I was getting into and am pleased.


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#274507 - 2018-03-25 04:41 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Shankar]
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Dear Shankar!

It’s great to know that you are in the same direction of what I am trying to head into as well! I actually have a pair of JBL DD66000 with loves my setup, but I really love the design and sound of the DSP8000 and
have used it as my second system.

I recently wanted to see if it’s a wise idea to change out the DSP8000 system into Alexia + Trinnov + Devialet 250 Pro, but just wondering if its a drastic upgrade compared to the DSP8000.

I really want to know that if by going to a standard "HI-END" setup, with all the DAC/AMP "OptImized" will it give it a clear edge over the DSP8000, but again DSP8000 is really nice sounding but I actually realized it sounds much better paring up with its Meridian processor or CDP as source ,,,,

Just want to see if you can give me more details on your finding smile Appreciate it buddy !

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#274508 - 2018-03-25 04:43 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Ogri]
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And thank you everyone for pitching in ! ,,, I see a few comment about the " House Sounds ",,, but lets say we take that away , but just compare its " Sound Quality" + " Sound Stage" + Holgraphic performance ,,,
do you guys think DSP8000 still is able to hold its place against the more " HI-END" built ?

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#274509 - 2018-03-25 04:47 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: 911turbos]
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#274512 - 2018-03-25 13:20 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: 911turbos]
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Hi 911,

You may wish to consider Magico speaker products as an alternative to the Wilson products you mention in your earlier posts.

Magico have never failed to impress me, especially with regard to perfectly defined well controlled bass response and superb definition in mid and high frequencies. Some may argue that they are a little clinical but to me the overall effect is a very easy "House Sound" that is not an audibly tiring experience, just overall wonderful detail in spades. A bridge, pardon the intended pun, I would like to cross if funds were available.

Hector


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#275051 - 2018-04-11 18:46 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: 911turbos]
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The 218 vs. Sonos discussion has been split out to it’s own new topic.


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#275052 - 2018-04-11 19:44 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: 911turbos]
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Originally Posted By 911turbos
do you guys think DSP8000 still is able to hold its place against the more " HI-END" built ?
Personally no, there’s too much progress being made and Meridian are not equipped to incorporate newer developments into their DAC/speakers because of their design/ business model.

8ks in a second system... nuff said.

Fun journey though eh? Music can still bring tears played on a mono radio though...

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#275064 - 2018-04-12 08:11 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Ogri]
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I'm no expert but I suspect that answers to questions of this nature need to come with several caveats. My understanding is that Magicos, Wislons, Sonus-Fabers etc might be able to out-perform some 8ks, but there are so many variables; the room / DAC / pre-amp / power amp, cabling....

I suspect that many 8ks will out-perform many (eg) Wilsons as the 8ks are 'very good' out of the box whereas Wilsons kind of need the planets aligned to really sing.

Or something like that. smile


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#275065 - 2018-04-12 08:51 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Not'arf]
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Whilst I agree that as the DSP8000’s are a more straightforward purchase than speakers, amplifiers interconnects and speaker cables, and in combination with leading edge development added to their desirability I understand Ogri’s view, maybe the lack of clarity and direction will / is affecting sales?

Russ


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#275080 - 2018-04-12 11:57 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Ratbert]
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I did a forklift upgrade on my DSP80000 to DSP8000SE and have not regretted that a single second.

I would say that the DSP8000SE's have the more 'modern' sound and transparency of Meridian. Compared to other passive speakers like Wilson, Magico, MBL and others you will have to account for the electronics to feed and power them. And that electronics can greatly influence the sound.

I have a fantastic dealer in the city who keeps all the High-End brands under one roof, apart from Meridian wink
The DSP8000 in the past and DSP8000SE current do hold their own and I am happy to own Meridian speakers. I find that the DSP8000SE are transparent and rather instant compared to most passive speakers. Easy to place providing you have the space.

And I also find that the big brands just go with higher and higher price-tags to cater for some uberrich clients and forgetting to provide the fullrange audio experience in the DSP8000SE price category (don't forget you need serious amps and even then it's hard to match the instant power of an active design), DSP8000SE have six 8" woofer in a sealed design plus high quality tweeter and midrange. That is a serious package and the brands in question would charge you an arm and leg to provide you with a such a complete and powerful fullrange design.


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#275116 - 2018-04-12 21:51 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Crion]
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All true in my limited experience as a prior 8K SE owner.


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#275120 - 2018-04-13 07:41 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: JimK]
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I have had 6k's and heard 8ks many times.

I can tell you that the Trinnov/Devialet combo with the Wilsons/Magico/Vivids/whateverhighendspeakers will be a revelation.

HOWEVER the trinnov is the real jewel in all this ... what I would do is use a Trinnov for the 8k's (in the digital domain) before trying passives and a Devialet ... The ST2 model would be ideal


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#275137 - 2018-04-13 19:55 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Rodney Gold]
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Yes, totally agree, since I integrate my Trinnov Amethyst in the chain, it’s a big step ahead...


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#275138 - 2018-04-13 22:14 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: RobertW]
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I must admit, I've recently picked up a Lyngdorf TDAI2170 which is an all digital amp and has a full room correction system. I wonder if at some point I should try plugging my old DSP33's into it. I could set them to max volume and then adjust the volume of the digital output on the lyngdorf... or just route that digital output through a 568 but then we're on multiple remotes...


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#275139 - 2018-04-13 22:27 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: David Haworth]
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Danger Will Robinson, Danger! I tried a Lyngdorf TDAi2200 in bygone years and despite knowing I'd have to be extremely careful with volume settings across both it and the DSP5500s, a moment's lapse in concentration between remotes meant that a full volume white noise calibration signal was sent to the DSPs, which were also on full volume. The deafening hiss lasted for a few seconds before the tweeter output wilted markedly, to terminal effect. That gaffe cost me a new pair of tweeters from M. So I say proceed with caution...

Cheers
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#275140 - 2018-04-13 22:31 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Originally Posted By Mr Meridian
That gaffe cost me a new pair of tweeters from M. So I say proceed with caution...
Heh, I appreciate the note of caution smile

However, I believe if you get the matching power amp, it can be sent a signal via optical, hence the volume control of the digital signal...

As a matter of interest, when it was working, how did it sound or did this little accident happen before you found out?


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#275146 - 2018-04-14 10:15 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: David Haworth]
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Hi David,

I did have it working for a couple of hours pre accident, and didn't like the sound at all... it was very dry and flat, parched almost, with none of the organic fluid sound of the M kit. Now I must confess, I was trying out the room correction so it may be that I had an initial profile curve loaded, I just can't remember.

With the passage of almost 15 years' product development possible for your current Lyngdorf unit though, I'm sure it will sound better! Mine was in the TacT days, pre split of the company, although I believe Peter (?) Lyngdorf was the driving force behind the venture.

Cheers (and apologies for the off-topic interjection)

George

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#275149 - 2018-04-14 10:54 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Mr Meridian]
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I used to have a TACT 2.2 and have used Lyngdorf room perfect (as well as DIRAC, acourate and many other DSP rc software/hardware).

The Trinnov in in another league altogether especially if you delve into its advanced settings ... and it’s 10x easier to use as well.


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#275163 - 2018-04-14 19:08 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: David Haworth]
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David,

if you try the Lyngdorf with your DSP33, you should do the opposide volume control as you posted
otherwise you possible loose resolution.

The volume control in the DSP are digital / analogue hybrid, that is the better solution than a pure digital control.


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#275165 - 2018-04-14 22:38 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Originally Posted By Mr Meridian
With the passage of almost 15 years' product development possible for your current Lyngdorf unit though, I'm sure it will sound better!
Well, it's probably the best audio system I've had, but I was only on the bottom ring of M ownership. much of it was rather rich for my tastes smile

Originally Posted By Rodney Gold
The Trinnov in in another league altogether especially if you delve into its advanced settings ... and it’s 10x easier to use as well.
Well, for three times the price I'm sure it is smile

Originally Posted By RobertW
If you try the Lyngdorf with your DSP33, you should do the opposide volume control as you posted otherwise you possible loose resolution. The volume control in the DSP are digital / analogue hybrid, that is the better solution than a pure digital control.
Well, it was mostly a wonder rather than a plan, if you will. there's only so much time and all... but I'll bear it in mind if I do experiment.


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#275167 - 2018-04-15 02:35 Re: DSP8000 vs Wilson Audio or similar speakers [Re: RobertW]
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Hi Robert,

Can you explain how this analogue/digital volume control work within the DSPs?

Thanks you


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