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#273116 - 2018-02-13 16:17 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: bxd]
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Originally Posted By bxd
Any thoughts on why the speakers are indicating MQA?
Someone told my friend it was via metadata. I find it hard to believe that Meridian would show you MQA on the display if it is not decoding MQA.


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#273117 - 2018-02-13 16:23 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
The 861 is not MQA aware, so even with it in DIRECT mode, the DSP in the 861 (SPL calibration, base management, room correction) will corrupt the MQA signal, so what comes out is no longer a MQA source frown
Ok, I get it. Even volume control, if done digitally in the 861, would corrupt the MQA encoding.

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If you friend wishes to feed the SE with MQA today ... then the practical answer would be to add a Meridian 218 between the 861v8 and the DSP SE.
Unless the streaming is happening directly to the 218, I presume the DSP happening in the 861 previously would corrupt the signal, no?

Thank you.

As a side-note, it's a real bummer that so much Meridian equipment has such complexities with MQA. I would have thought Meridian of all brands would immediately be MQA enabled through and through. With my Rossini, I not only have full MQA decoding, but I also have the ability to control volume digitally from Roon. Amazing.


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#273118 - 2018-02-13 16:28 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: miguelito]
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If someone has a little bit of patience, could you explain to me what the configuration with a 218 would be like? Currently my friend uses MC600->861v8->DSP8000se. I would like him to be able to decode MQA and render on the 8k's.

Can someone please explain how the 218 - which doesn't seem to be a replacement for the 861v8 as far as I can tell - would come into this picture?

Thx!


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#273119 - 2018-02-13 16:29 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: miguelito]
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Meridian 2 channel is perfect. In your friends case replace or add ro the 861 for a 818v3 or 218

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#273120 - 2018-02-13 16:38 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: JaapJan]
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Originally Posted By JaapJan
Meridian 2 channel is perfect. In your friends case replace or add ro the 861 for a 818v3 or 218

Replacing the 861 with an 818 is clear (although my friend has the 861 bc he has a multichannel system).

What I don't understand is how the 218 comes in, as it is not a replacement for the 861 as far as I can tell.


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#273121 - 2018-02-13 16:42 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: miguelito]
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#273122 - 2018-02-13 16:52 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
I guess the input name could be set to MQA.

Yes, good suggestion.

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#273126 - 2018-02-13 17:26 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: miguelito]
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Originally Posted By miguelito
Ok, I get it. Even volume control, if done digitally in the 861, would corrupt the MQA encoding.
Not really. Even though 861 is often the system controller it only sends volume commands to the DSP speakers. The actual volume is attenuated inside the speaker after any MQA processing. You can also send similar volume commands via RS232, home auto systems etc.

When Roon sends volume commands to Meridian systems it is also just sending the same Vol+ Vol- instruction. That works very well like your Rossini.

Originally Posted By miguelito
As a side-note, it's a real bummer that so much Meridian equipment has such complexities with MQA. I would have thought Meridian of all brands would immediately be MQA enabled through and through. With my Rossini, I not only have full MQA decoding, but I also have the ability to control volume digitally from Roon. Amazing.
No disagreement from anyone here about that.

I haven't heard the Rossini yet. How are you finding it with various formats and MQA decoding?


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#273129 - 2018-02-13 18:01 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: ncpl]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
Even though 861 is often the system controller it only sends volume commands to the DSP speakers. The actual volume is attenuated inside the speaker after any MQA processing. You can also send similar volume commands via RS232, home auto systems etc.
Ok got it. So then my question is whether it is possible to defeat all DSP in the 861 and thus enable this chain to work with Roon (when first unfold is available) to allow MQA on this guy's (not cheap) Meridian system.

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I haven't heard the Rossini yet. How are you finding it with various formats and MQA decoding?
The Rossini is gorgeous. Tonality that pulls your attention from anything else and makes you love what you're hearing. I came from EMMLabs to Rossini (+clock) and I was so delighted. Magical. Additionally, given that my integrated (Audio Note Kondo Ongaku) doesn't have a remote, the volume control on the Rossini (which I use to tweak volume down just a smidgen) is a real advantage.

And to add to your question: Gorgeous with every source - Redbook, DSD, MQA, you name it.


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#273131 - 2018-02-13 18:20 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: miguelito]
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If you friend wishes to feed the SE with MQA today ... then the practical answer would be to add a Meridian 218 between the 861v8 and the DSP SE.
Unless the streaming is happening directly to the 218, I presume the DSP happening in the 861 previously would corrupt the signal, no?[/quote]The 218 is also a Sooloos streaming endpoint .. when using it in that mode the 861 is not in the loop.


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#273132 - 2018-02-13 18:22 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: miguelito]
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Originally Posted By miguelito
So then my question is whether it is possible to defeat all DSP in the 861 and thus enable this chain to work with Roon (when first unfold is available) to allow MQA on this guy's (not cheap) Meridian system.
It is not possible at present, hence my suggestion of adding the 218.


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#273133 - 2018-02-13 18:54 Re: DSP8000SE: Does it decode MQA fully? [Re: Carl]
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Ok got it. So the setup would be 861 -> 218 (via the SpeakerLink in) -> DSP8000SE, and one would select the 218 as endpoint for Roon, without any Roon DSP, having the 218 unfold, and the 8k render.

Is this right?

Thanks


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