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#272709 - 2018-02-05 22:03 SpeakerLink cables advice
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Hi All,
This is my first post.

I’m running Meridian RJ45s from 808v6 to 7200SE and I’m thinking of upgrading the cables.

Has anyone been down this road and can advise on their findings? Also would the financial outlay be justified.

Many Thanks.


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#272822 - 2018-02-08 01:16 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Steve Dobie]
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I started out with Meridian's flat SpeakerLink cables, but soon found out upgrading the ethernet cables to my DSP8000's made a noticeable improvement. As other posters have mentioned, the Speakerlink connection doesn't use a LAN protocol with data packets, but rather is a data stream akin to SPDIF (but on an ethernet cable), so it makes sense you could hear differences among cables.

I use the Audioquest Diamond cable, which is the best I've heard, but it's also very expensive. I haven't heard the new Wireworld "CAT8" cable, but it's also supposed to be very good, and I believe Nordost is coming out with an ethernet cable as well. Given the expanding market for streamed music, there are probably a number of other premium cables out there that I haven't heard but could be as good as, or better than, the AQ Diamond. But I'm very happy with the Diamond.

Good luck, and as always, try before you buy.

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#272832 - 2018-02-08 08:00 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Steve Dobie]
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Try out good BRAND names from Cat 7 cables.
There is a clear difference to no name Cat 5 cables.

The only little disadvantage is that the Cat 7 is less flexible than Cat 5 cables, you can bend them carefully, but never buckle them !!

It’s cheap try and you get a feeling how big is the difference before you buy expensive stuff.


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#272863 - 2018-02-08 14:32 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: RobertW]
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Robert, could you name a few good brands?
Thanks


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#272869 - 2018-02-08 16:05 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Jeje]
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Funny thing, I just came across a great Meridian 7200 flyer that was posted out saying, “Cat 5 is as good as gold”. Then talking about the SpeakerLink advantage.


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#272879 - 2018-02-08 19:34 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Originally Posted By ChrisLayerUK
Funny thing, I just came across a great Meridian 7200 flyer that was posted out saying, “Cat 5 is as good as gold”. Then talking about the SpeakerLink advantage.
In their defense - they did use MHR encryption to make sure even the tiniest change to the data would prevent things working...

When did they stop using MHR encryption?

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#272889 - 2018-02-09 11:08 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: MattF]
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When did they stop using MHR encryption?
They didn't.


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#272893 - 2018-02-09 13:27 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Steve Dobie]
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Has anyone tried the Chord Shawline streaming interconnect? They do not claim they are cat7, but the insulation spec reads as if they are (I.e. double insulated).

Anyway, has anyone tried them, and do they give a significant improvement particularly if used in lieu of speakerlinks?


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#272895 - 2018-02-09 14:05 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: WilliamS]
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I haven't found another flat cable that's as flexible the Meridian SpeakerLink cables.

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#272905 - 2018-02-09 17:47 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: bxd]
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I haven't found one person yet who found SQ improvement versus M original SpeakerLink. Equal length equal position.

I did find improvement when I swapped my coiled up 2x10 meter SpeakerLink for 2x2.5 meter Cat 7/(Cat 6 terminated) Fluke tested ethernet cable from a very good UK supplier that 3ditor advised at the time. I did not sell my SpeakerLink for possible future use.

The downside of the flat SpeakerLink cable is that it is predetermined and you are bound to fixed length.
I use Cat7 throughout my whole chain.

Cheers!


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#272907 - 2018-02-09 17:53 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: JaapJan]
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SpeakerLink cables can be made to custom lengths, it requires a $4700.00 buy in of cable, connectors, and tools to do so.


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#272910 - 2018-02-09 18:00 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Bruce, for the flat version? I have enquired for custom length or DYI at the time, and was a dead end.
4700 is not too bad considering some people pay that for an alcohol named ethernet cable.


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#272922 - 2018-02-09 22:23 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: JaapJan]
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I ‘ll try and get Chord to lend me a pair of 3m cables. They are only just up the road from where I live.

If successful will report my listening observations.


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#272925 - 2018-02-09 22:49 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: JaapJan]
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I make custom lengths all the time using Crestron DM wire and connectors.


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#272926 - 2018-02-09 23:15 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Does Crestron do a cat7 standard cable?


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#272927 - 2018-02-09 23:38 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: WilliamS]
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The Crestron cable meets cat 6/7 standards but is not flat.


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#273135 - 2018-02-13 19:04 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Steve Dobie]
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Hi all. Thanks for all your feedback.

I have managed to borrow a pair of Chord Epic & Signature streaming cables to try, with the intention to buy either if the improvements (if any) justify the outlay.

My friends at Martin's HiFi have offered their assistance with this issue, Big thanks to them, I've never come across a better team to deal with, I await the arrival of the cables and will post my findings in the near future.


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#273218 - 2018-02-15 14:30 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Steve Dobie]
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To add to Steve’s comment, I have been in contact with Chord who recommend their Signature or Sarum T cables. The latter are rather expensive!! The former are a tad expensive!!!

Perhaps more interesting to anyone following this thread, is that the chap at Chord advises me that they need to know whether any streaming cables they are building are to be used in lieu of Speakerlink, as “they are wired depending on what is being sent from each pin, for example data, power, etc”. This applies to their “higher ranges of cables”. Read into this what you may.

I will follow up with a local supplier, but also look forward to Steve’s opinions.

Cheers


William
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#273691 - 2018-02-24 01:07 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Jeje]
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Haven’t tried this myself but Cardas now makes a copper-based Cat7 cable. Cardas Clear Network


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#273695 - 2018-02-24 09:07 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Soundserge]
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These are the cables I was on about in my earlier post, which are giving me great results in my entire Sooloos chain, from router to ID41.

Universal networks tested patch cables

Shielded series

My 2 p: great reliability for a normal price.


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#273700 - 2018-02-24 10:32 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Steve Dobie]
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Steve,

These are very good sounding cables incredible price.

Better sounding for my ears as much more ridiculously expensive cables, you should try it out.


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#273703 - 2018-02-24 16:31 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: RobertW]
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If your Germany is as rusty as mine ... here’s Robert’s suggestion on Amazon UK SNANSHI Flat Cat 7 RJ45 LAN.

Regards,
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#273757 - 2018-02-25 19:51 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Steve Dobie]
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I've been doing some research on this subject and found some information that was new to me, maybe it's useful for others.

SpeakerLink is based on AES3 Annex D, which delivers a balanced digital signal over shielded twisted pair network cables, as described here.

Originally Posted By AES3 description from Library of Congress
The main body of AES3 specifies signal transmission via a single shielded twisted wire pair. Annex D, however, discusses the carriage of AES3 signals on structured wiring, e.g., the "category 5" cables associated with computer network installations, a topic that receives extended treatment in AES47, which specifies the method of carrying multiple channels of audio in linear PCM or AES3 format across an asynchronous transfer mode (ATM) network. Elaborations on audio signal transfer are the topics of AES10-2003, AES Recommended Practice for Digital Audio Engineering 8221; Serial Multichannel Audio Digital Interface (MADI) (Revision of AES10-1991), and AES50-2005: AES standard for digital audio engineering 8221; High-resolution multi-channel audio interconnection.

It appears to have broadcast industry ancestry as explained in this document by StudioHub.
Originally Posted By StudioHub+ document
A 1997 report, entitled “Review of Cables for AES/EBU Digital Audio Signals” conducted by the BBC Research and Development Department, concluded that CAT-5 shielded twisted audio pair cable “offered the highest performance of all the cables tested here.”1 Their tests included coaxial cables and special cables specifically designed for digital audio, but they preferred CAT-5 cables for their overall flexibility and applicability in mixed data applications and consistent performance.

I looked for cables made specifically for the Pro/Broadcast market. From what I can tell, the focus there is mostly on durability ("tour grade" "entertainment grade", "tactical" etc), like this one. Unless you find yourself pulling on your SpeakerLink cables a lot of stomping on them with work boots, I'm not sure they make sense. The XLR-like shielded connectors with RJ-45 plug inside look interesting but they won't fit in any M gear.

As SpeakerLink is one of the few, if not only, Pro audio applications of AES3 in consumer audio, I have not come across consumer brands that make products targeting this market: high end CAT cables for AES3 digital audio. The big brands do seem to have discovered a market for high end CAT cables for computer audio and networking in general. Presumably these cables from AQ, WireWorld, Cardas etc. are constructed with higher-grade materials than your run of the mill CAT cables but it doesn't take a lot of time on Google to find a teardown of an expensive cable that doesn't look very favorable. Also, I'm not sure whether they are all measured to the extent Belden cables are, for example or which measurements are the most important.

There are reports, including on this forum, that changing the brand or type of CAT cable influences the sound. I'm curious what factors influence the sound most. Wire gauge, wire contruction (stranded vs solid), wire material, (copper, silver, silver plated copper, etc). Connector quality, shielding, conformity to spec (cat5/6/7, etc) and whether it's possible to find cables that have the right combinations of these qualities that don't cost $1000/meter.

I found a few cables that fit the bill but I haven't tried them yet. For example, this Gold-plated Copper CAT7 cable with Telegärtner connectors at EUR 69 for 2m.

The above are observations and notes based on the assumption that changing cables for SpeakerLink connections makes a difference at all and I'm not looking to debate that. I simply wanted to report what I found.

Soundserge


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#273845 - 2018-02-28 00:27 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: RobertW]
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Here's an option from Ohio. I've used these to good effect and think K. Swanson has, too
Video Products Inc (Ohio) flat Cat 7 cables


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#273846 - 2018-02-28 02:29 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: JimK]
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I have a few of these cables from the same vendor in my network. I have not tried them for Speakerlink.


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#273847 - 2018-02-28 04:41 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Soundserge]
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Worth a try. Can't fault the price/sound quality ratio.


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#273887 - 2018-03-01 18:11 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: JimK]
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Although previous posts requested that readers refrain from commenting on the merits of claims of sound quality improvements resulting from expensive SpeakerLink cables, there's the real possibility that people will be misled by the silence.

When dealing with error corrected digital communications networks, data is either transferred or it is not. Poor cables will result in no sound or some sort of digital calamity that will be immediately apparent. Expensive SpeakerLink cables might look nice, last longer, and coordinate with the drapes, but they will not sound different.

One does not have to be an MIT rocket scientist to know this, but since I am I leave you with these thoughts.

Cheers,
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#273890 - 2018-03-01 18:29 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: RPellegrini]
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One does not have to be an MIT rocket scientist to know this, but since I am I leave you with these thoughts.
As a matter of interest, when the wiring is specified for a rocket, is the performance tested under a range of temperature and pressure conditions, and other variables, to ensure that the electrical responses remain within a defined range?

Does that process not implicitly recognise that the wiring's performance may range outside the specification envelope as a result of the extremes of those environmental conditions? Are the costs incurred in order to test that variability acceptable given the cost of such a failure? Does that not raise the cost of the wiring?

Or do you just drag the cheapest stuff available off the reel?


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#273893 - 2018-03-01 18:39 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: RPellegrini]
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Originally Posted By RPellegrini
When dealing with error corrected digital communications networks, data is either transferred or it is not.
The audio signal over SpeakerLink is based on AES/EBU ... it is not a network protocol.

Quality of screening in important ... for the digital signal ... but more so to prevent the cable channeling any RF into the analogue sections of the DAC.

It’s not Rocket science wink

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#273896 - 2018-03-01 20:38 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Carl]
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Look, no one is listening to their speakers in outer space, for a variety of very good reasons, so yes, ordinary ethernet cables are just as fine for your speakers as they are for your home network - where not a bit or byte was ever lost by a cable. And yes, while SpeakerLink digital connections may not operate on a network protocol per se, the data is error corrected so there is no opportunity whatsoever for subtle corruption.

As for significant RF frequencies being transmitted via the SpeakerLink cables to analogue components, it is extremely unlikely to occur in any sort of properly designed piece of equipment. If someone were able to prove our beloved Meridian equipment lacks the requisite (and utterly simplistic) RF isolation between the digital ports and the D/A converters, I'll be the first to sell mine!

However, I don't want to rain on your parade any further and will avert my eyes from this thread.

Cheers,
Roger

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#273897 - 2018-03-01 21:32 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: Steve Dobie]
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I Think this topic has been discussed Before. After that discussion I made a test using different Ethernet-Cables.

1 A standard UTP-Cable
2 A standard STP-Cable
3 Audioquest Vodka
4 Chord Anthem

I used a 7200HCSE for the test
I found that there was a difference between The UTP-Cable and all the others.
I couldn't hear any difference between 2, 3 and 4.


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#273898 - 2018-03-01 21:51 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: RPellegrini]
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I, for one, am glad to hear from a rocket scientist. Perhaps he can persuade colleagues to contribute to this forum.

Locus

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#273899 - 2018-03-01 22:03 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: RPellegrini]
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Originally Posted By RPellegrini
And yes, while SpeakerLink digital connections may not operate on a network protocol per se, the data is error corrected so there is no opportunity whatsoever for subtle corruption.
It is? Where can I read about this?


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#273901 - 2018-03-01 23:16 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: RPellegrini]
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Originally Posted By RPellegrini
... the merits of claims of sound quality improvements resulting from expensive SpeakerLink cables ...
Just the opposite, VPI's aren't expensive cables.


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#276064 - 2018-05-16 09:04 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: WilliamS]
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Following up on my earlier post, Chord loaned me 4 pairs of their lower price range streaming cables to compare, and I report on my listening “observations”.

With all their cables there was a noticeable difference to M’s Speakerlinks, with the sound being “sweeter” - less harsh or grainy. With the cheapest cable, cost-wise on a par with Speakerlink, I considered the sound quality was a bit flat - lacked dynamics.

Comparing the rest, instrument timbre, stereo imagery, preciseness of transients and bass extension were all better, subtlety improving up the price range.

I have some knowledge of what happens to electrical voltage pulses as they bounce around circuits, but do not understand what may actually happening here. But never mind - it’s the music that matters.

I can only fully recommend that if you can borrow a similar range of interconnects, made by your favoured manufacturer, then just do it. If it works for you and your system and you have the dosh, it could be a relatively low cost upgrade option.


William
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#276088 - 2018-05-16 16:22 Re: SpeakerLink cables advice [Re: JaapJan]
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Originally Posted By JaapJan
I haven't found one person yet who found SQ improvement versus M original SpeakerLink. Equal length equal position.

I did find improvement when I swapped my coiled up 2x10 meter SpeakerLink for 2x2.5 meter Cat 7/(Cat 6 terminated) Fluke tested ethernet cable from a very good UK supplier that 3ditor advised at the time. I did not sell my SpeakerLink for possible future use.

The downside of the flat SpeakerLink cable is that it is predetermined and you are bound to fixed length.
I use Cat7 throughout my whole chain.

Cheers!


I was just about to post about that cable, as I ended up replacing my flat Meridian cable with the exact same one you're referring to (Universal Networks Datwyler Uninet 7702 CAT 7 cable/Cat 6 Terminated Custom Cables ). Sounds considerably better to me, but again was replacing a longer run of Meridian flat.

Currently considering DIYing a pair of these (mainly due to the impedance matched Telegartner connectors) to see if it offers any upgrade - Audioquest DIY


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