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#272273 - 2018-01-25 12:02 218 options with Non-SL processors
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Can the main digital channels 1&2 be output from a G61R (or other non-SpeakerLink surround processor e.g. 568.2mm) and passed through a 218 (and then to a powerAmp or active speakers)?

The nearly 50-Page post (#265341: “Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced!”) discusses SL connection, which I believe can be set up to work. (I hope I got that reference correct.)

My (quite possibly maligned) understanding is that the surround processor would expect the volume level to be controlled by the 218 (e.g. like a DSP speaker, which I don’t have any of).

I would expect to be able to get 24/48 output as SPDIF to DigiOut 1&2 from a G61R and would expect 24/96 to need to be MHR, but does the 218 accept MHR on it’s digital input?

I suppose what I’m really asking is..
Can the 218 be set up to behave simply as a replacement for the Main Analogue Output L/R?

Assumption
For best stereo sound quality, it would be best to put a 218 after a G61R rather than before it.

Suggested Connections
G61R[DigitalOutputMainL/R] -> [DigitalInput]218
218[AnalogueOutput] -> stereo power amp
G61R[AnalogueOutputCentre&Sub] -> active speakers
G61R[AnalogueOutputRearL&R] -> stereo power amp

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I don’t have a SpeakerLink processor.
The 218 looks really interesting: extremely flexible and a bargain at £750.
For me, stereo is more important than surround. (Music is mostly CD, some SACD (have only ever used the CD layer!), an increasing number of BD-A, some downloads. Some SACD & BD-A are also surround, but I’ve not heard them as such.)

Thanks for any input!
Paul


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#272274 - 2018-01-25 12:10 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Bayreuth]
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I'm just trying to work out the exact reason that you want to add a 218 to your system. Are you wanting to use Sooloos or Roon to add network streaming into your system? If you're not, I'm not sure what purpose the 218 would serve for you.


Roon (ROCK NUC with internal SSD storage)
Meridian 218, DSP3200.
Lindemann Musicbook / Lyngdorf SDA-2400, PMC Wafer 1 (shared with Marantz SR7011 7.1 system).
Testing Bluesound Node 2 and Auralic Aries Mini with above.
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#272278 - 2018-01-25 14:40 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: JobSeeker]
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Yes; mainly network streaming..

I realise that a MS200 would plug into a normal digital input of a surround processor (!) but wondered whether there would be an advantage to gain by using the 218 in a different way. Aside from stereo SQ vs the MS200 or vs a surround processor, for example, I am also interested in trying in an analogue system as just another input, replacing a Director & possibly the pre-amp. With 218 as the pre-amp, the surround processor could be left connected rather than physically swapping the inputs to the pre-amp. (Not a big deal to me; opinions of others at home may differ!)

FYI I do plan to demo Roon (via laptop endpoint) in the near future. I have also been tempted by low prices on MC200s. I would demo the 218 before purchase. I would also like to try MQA at some point.


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#272282 - 2018-01-25 15:41 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Bayreuth]
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Whilst there are people on here using 218 with a Meridian processor, I suspect most are using DSP loudspeakers, so they probably aren’t doing what you want to do in your analogue system.

If you want to hear full MQA with minimum interference in the signal path, then the 218 would have to act as a preamp and feed it’s analogue outputs directly into your power amp.

If you can settle for just the first MQA unfold, then I THINK if you just use the 218 as a network endpoint and connect the digital output to an input on your G61R, then you would get an MQA first unfold digital signal sent for decoding by the G61R DAC . You could feed the 218 analogue outs at fixed volume into an analogue input on the G61R, but obviously the MQA decoded analogue signal will go through a further analogue to digital to analogue process before emerging from the G61R to your power amp. You need Meridian Comms too though really. I actually fed an MS200 into a G61R using a Speakerlink to SPDIF+C5 comms converter built for me by Syles.

I’m now trying to think about the 218 between the G61R and your power amp. If you connect the digital out for l/r front channels from the G61R into the digital input of the 218, with the 218 then converting to analogue and feeding your power amp, I’m trying to work out how you match the gain with the channels that the G61R is acting as preamp for, plus get comes up and running. It’s just making my head hurt at the moment.


Roon (ROCK NUC with internal SSD storage)
Meridian 218, DSP3200.
Lindemann Musicbook / Lyngdorf SDA-2400, PMC Wafer 1 (shared with Marantz SR7011 7.1 system).
Testing Bluesound Node 2 and Auralic Aries Mini with above.
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#272283 - 2018-01-25 15:50 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Bayreuth]
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This is Meridian's problem. There is no MQA path for those with Processors like the G61R et al.

I use Roon to an MS200 with an IfI power supply into my G61R playing Trifield to great effect.

The 218 is no use to us at the present.

Apparently Roon will be decoding MQA soon. (Actual time line is not known) This is the way I shall be doing MQA in the short to medium term in my system as it’s a no cost option for me.

How I see it is, Roon would send 88/24 or 96/24 MQA files at best, (there are 44/48 MQA files also) to my MS200. This will be a great source for my system. I can then compare Trifield and Stereo but it has to be an improvement over CD quality.
I have to say even undecoded MQA files sound great on my system now.

You can buy a lifetime Roon license for less than the price of a 218. I am led to believe the option to buy the lifetime option will not last forever but again, I don’t know anymore on this.

Thoughts, Chris


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#272286 - 2018-01-25 17:06 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Bayreuth]
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I would try the 218 as a processor using the analog L and R output to a stereo power amp to the ESL63. Then get a QNAP and install Sooloos. You will get Full MQA.
If you are a stereo guy you do not need anything else. You can connect a Turntable also.


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#272287 - 2018-01-25 17:51 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Bayreuth]
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I'll try to keep this brief, my experience of wanting to bring up to date my hifi setup led me to buy a 218.

I have a G61SL and wanted to experiment with a possible new pre-amp (low power standby,etc) that encompassed streaming MQA et al. The 218 after a few setup hiccups began to deliver the goods, Hi-res, MQA all good but after a several sessions I started to feel something was missing.
I reinstated the G61SL direct to the power amp and harmony returned.
The 218 delivered the hi res but for me, began to get tiring after playing for over 30 mins.

I reverted to G61SL processor using the 218 and everything was good but somehow I felt swizzed I was not benefiting from the full hi-res/MQA experience.
I bought an Explorer 2, and in my system, it felt marginally less good than the 218 but not significantly so.
After much deliberation I returned the 218.

I hoped the UHD722 may provide the solution but that looks unlikely to not.

I've decided to calm down, breath, meditate, lose the upgrade bug, and enjoy the wonderful music and feelings my system currently gives me.


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#272289 - 2018-01-25 18:38 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Bayreuth]
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Paul,

As I have a HH that wants a similar application just with the 861v4, I tried the 218 with my 568.2 (fw 2.59) and 5500 Speaker.

1)
The 218 is connected to the router,
the MASTER SL out goes via CAT/SL cable to the 240 degree DIN/comms plug that is placed at the 568.2.
From the 568.2 a standard M5-lead go the master DSP.
Comms is working either via MSR / 218 app / Roon / front panel on 268 (typo) 568

2)
Or audio can run as above or RCA but then you only have comms using the front panel and MSR to the 568.2.
So to get comms also via ROON and 218 app, you have to add a proper SL to DIN 5p 240 degree connector (not 180 degree).

3)
Connect the SL/Cat cable to the Slave comms on the 218, the same with comms as in point #2.

4) AC12 works similar- have not tested it.

Good luck


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#272304 - 2018-01-25 22:31 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Bayreuth]
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I have a 218 between my G68 processor and mono amps.

Digital out from the G68 to digital in on the 218.
Roon via Ethernet into the 218 network.
Table phono stage into the 218 analog in.
Analog out from the 218 to the monos.
Din comms / SpeakerLink comms cable from the G68 to the 218.
Control via G68/MSR/iPhone

I use the 218 for stereo 196k MQA and stereo from the turntable.
I use the 218 in combination with the G68 for HT duties.

Works fine.


HT: G68ADV w/LPS, HD621, 5000C, Marantz BD, 218, REL SW, analogue fronts & DSP5000 rears.
Office: Fanless 7i5 running ROCK, Prime PS & HP amp, Woo Audio WA2 (w/50yo Tung-Sol tubes), Focal Utopia
Family Room: Allo digi, 568.2mm, 598, 3100's, REL SW
Upstairs: SBT, Explorer2
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#272305 - 2018-01-25 22:47 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Struttmaster]
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So is the gain of the 218 and the G68 an exact match for the same number on the volume scale, they just match each other’s volume via comms when you operate the volume control (eg 65 on both)?


Roon (ROCK NUC with internal SSD storage)
Meridian 218, DSP3200.
Lindemann Musicbook / Lyngdorf SDA-2400, PMC Wafer 1 (shared with Marantz SR7011 7.1 system).
Testing Bluesound Node 2 and Auralic Aries Mini with above.
Explorer 2.
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#272306 - 2018-01-26 01:02 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: JobSeeker]
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I’ve got a 5000C. The volume goes up and down on that in unison with the front analogs no probs when I’m watching movies or listening to Trifield using any of the volume control devices.
Sounds fine to me but expect there are settings in the 218 config that can be used to fine tune things.


HT: G68ADV w/LPS, HD621, 5000C, Marantz BD, 218, REL SW, analogue fronts & DSP5000 rears.
Office: Fanless 7i5 running ROCK, Prime PS & HP amp, Woo Audio WA2 (w/50yo Tung-Sol tubes), Focal Utopia
Family Room: Allo digi, 568.2mm, 598, 3100's, REL SW
Upstairs: SBT, Explorer2
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#272308 - 2018-01-26 01:11 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: JobSeeker]
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Hi job seeker,

When the 218 volume on the IP remote is say 65, the 5000C reads the same and they remain I in unison during volume adjustments.

It turns on automatically and switches to digital in when watching movies and listening to CD's using the G68 buttons.

When I want to play a record or stream Roon I use the IP remote to change the 218 input to analog or SLs.


HT: G68ADV w/LPS, HD621, 5000C, Marantz BD, 218, REL SW, analogue fronts & DSP5000 rears.
Office: Fanless 7i5 running ROCK, Prime PS & HP amp, Woo Audio WA2 (w/50yo Tung-Sol tubes), Focal Utopia
Family Room: Allo digi, 568.2mm, 598, 3100's, REL SW
Upstairs: SBT, Explorer2
BBQ/Party: Raspberry Pi, F80
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#272322 - 2018-01-26 14:33 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Roffie]
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I have to agree with Roffie. I bought the 218 for MQA in my C61R based system, but am disappointed with the sound when using it as an endpoint on my network compared to what I am used to. I am a big fan of the cheap Allo DigiOne HAT as endpoint instead, which I will simply send to the surround unit or the 218's SPDIF input for MQA unfolding until Roon comes around.


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Theater: C61R, DSP5200SEs,420s,33s, NHT amp/subs, HD621, 218, DigiOne, OPPO 203, JVC RS500, Fire,Apple,DirecTVs, Mac Pro 2010+, MF V-LINK II, REGEN and iFI conditioners

Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#272328 - 2018-01-26 15:56 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: OldDogCan]
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These comments are odd in the context of the early findings documented in this 218 evaluation thread.

I had committed to the 818v3 and was disappointed that such a relatively cheap device could possibly challenge it for performance. This thread suggests otherwise.


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#272332 - 2018-01-26 16:23 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Gianni]
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As far as I’m concerned the 218 is extremely good, especially given its price. An absolutely top notch network endpoint and very capable preamp. MQA is a bonus. Whether it’s general functionality and Sooloos related limitations serves individual requirements obviously will vary.


Roon (ROCK NUC with internal SSD storage)
Meridian 218, DSP3200.
Lindemann Musicbook / Lyngdorf SDA-2400, PMC Wafer 1 (shared with Marantz SR7011 7.1 system).
Testing Bluesound Node 2 and Auralic Aries Mini with above.
Explorer 2.
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#272333 - 2018-01-26 16:27 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Gianni]
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I've never run my 218 with a processor but have used it as a Roon endpoint feeding 6Ks and now a pair of very revealing analogue speakers through an integrated amp. In both cases I find the sound to be excellent with both MQA and non MQA material. With the 6Ks I couldn't tell the difference between my 818v3 and the 218 with any material I tried. The 818v3 is gone now so I can't compare the two on analogue material but I have been told by a reliable source that the 818 and 218 use the same DAC chip. Obviously there is more to a DAC than the chip but that's still pretty impressive for such an inexpensive little box. I think I would have to spend a lot of money (dCS, Berkeley, etc.) to do much better.

Ken


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Office: SBT, Berkeley Series 2/MQA, Audience 2+2v2, Hegel, JL e110, Dual Core, 218, Roon.
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#272334 - 2018-01-26 16:29 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Kswanson]
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Glad I sold my 818v3 before you posted Ken whistle


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#272335 - 2018-01-26 16:42 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Ratbert]
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Between my 861v6+ID40 and my 218 to my 8ks ... there is no difference for to ears.


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#272337 - 2018-01-26 17:51 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: RobertW]
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When I got my first 218 I already had my 861v4 in place so could do a quick AB comparison through my SEs.
Like Robert I hear no difference, so I am not surprised that Ken’s 6000 experience was the same.

I then added 8Ks SEs and a 218 in my other home.


James
NC1: 861v4+ID40, 218, MS200 (to outdoors), DSP8000SE (upgraded). 5500VC, 5500s, Hsu Research ULS15x2, DirecTV, Oppo BD103, QNAP251, Roon
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FL1: G61R, 218, DSP8000SEs, 5500HC, DSP6000s, MS600, DirecTv, Oppo BD103, QNAP469, Roon
FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
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#272343 - 2018-01-27 01:08 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Mtns]
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Let me clarify that my criticism of the 218 is only that it can't match the wide, "airy", effortless and detailed soundstage of Allo's DigiOne when used as a Roon endpoint.

Curiously, it doesn't seem to degrade the DigiOne qualities when I connect it by SPDIF to the 218's coax digital input, so I can still enjoy the Allo sound while using 218 for a first MQA unfold.

Any theories about why there would be a sonic difference between these devices taking the same data from Roon over the same network? Could it be the third party linear psu powering the DigiOne?


ODC

Theater: C61R, DSP5200SEs,420s,33s, NHT amp/subs, HD621, 218, DigiOne, OPPO 203, JVC RS500, Fire,Apple,DirecTVs, Mac Pro 2010+, MF V-LINK II, REGEN and iFI conditioners

Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#272350 - 2018-01-27 08:48 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: OldDogCan]
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The Allo's DigiOne reclocks the signal and that’s a reaon why it (could) sound different, of course the diffent power supply could also a reason.

The influence of the analoge PSU is smaller in digital as in analogue as a basic influence.

The reclocing generate different jitter as any reclock do...
So maybe you hear that differences as an "advantage" means airy.
Thats all possibilties.

The difference from the Roon/Tidal stream could be that Meridian is not a Roon-ready device but I have no knowledge here.

Have you tried to use the SL output from the 218 or only tried the RCA output ?

Please tell more about the hardware and wiring of your RasberryAllo's DigiOne and how it’s then fed to your audio.


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#272352 - 2018-01-27 10:01 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: RobertW]
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I found the IQ Audio Digi+ sound better than the MS600 into 5200s, more open, bigger sound stage and yet smoother.

I am now back to analogue and using a Pi and Explorer 2, I found this pretty much the same as the MS600, the main difference was I had MQA available so kept the Explorer2.

I guess a lot of it depends on the software in the device?





I found that with the MQA files there tended to be some sort of hard edge to some frequencies.
My Harbeth speakers really do show you what the kit is doing and in all honesty I didn't really enjoy it much. I pulled my little Quad ribbon speakers out of the TV room and put them in place of the Harbeths and they smooth things out nicely.

I'm still not sure about MQA, I really didn't like most of the MQA files on Tidal through the Explorer and B&W P7s, again found it a hard edged sound, sure it might be more accurate, but I didn't find it nice.

On the old 5200s I thought it wonderful, but I am now wondering whether the tweeters were getting older and that extra bite at the top helped or whether the fact they couldn't do the second part was maybe a good thing?

Anyway, after chasing MQA and selling my DSPs to get it up and running I now wish I had just kept them and not bothered with the MQA chase at all. Ho hum, we live and learn. Haha


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#272358 - 2018-01-27 14:54 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: RobertW]
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Hi Robert.

The DigiOne has two SPDIF connectors, RCA and BNC, that can be used simultaneously according to Allo. One goes directly to the 218, the other to my C61R. Yes, I have listened to SpeakerLink from either 218 or C61R via Meridian AC11 using a RJ45 switch.

While the 218 MQA indicator lights up whenever Roon sends encoded files from Tidal to the DigiOne, my SE speakers only display MQA when connected to 218, not C61R. I also have the digital output of the 218 available on the surround unit. In any of these scenarios, the Allo is preferred as a Roon endpoint over the 218.


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Theater: C61R, DSP5200SEs,420s,33s, NHT amp/subs, HD621, 218, DigiOne, OPPO 203, JVC RS500, Fire,Apple,DirecTVs, Mac Pro 2010+, MF V-LINK II, REGEN and iFI conditioners

Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#272359 - 2018-01-27 15:23 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: OldDogCan]
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Thanks, interesting.


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#273053 - 2018-02-12 17:32 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Bayreuth]
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Just to say thanks for so many interesting replies to this post from all of you. Struttmaster is already successfully doing specifically what I wasn’t previously sure would actually work in practice, but there are lots of other comments that are also extremely helpful.

If/when I eventually get round to demoing and subsequently decide to purchase a 218, I will share my own experiences.

Paul


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#274699 - 2018-04-01 20:40 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: OldDogCan]
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ODC,

Could you feed the Allo coax output directly to the SE’s and get full MQA?

I’m about to blow my budget on some 5200SE’s and now figuring out the cheapest way to get full MQA...

Thanks,

Rick


G68ADV, DSP3100, Rythmik F12 sub, RPi2 with Sbooster LPS, Allo SPDIF board and Roon
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#274703 - 2018-04-01 21:33 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Rick415]
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Get a 218, hook it up to your LAN and subscribe to Tidal and get set up with Roon (if you haven't already). The 218 will decode MQA from Tidal and function as a Roon endpoint. Your DSP SEs will do the final MQA rendering and you are about as good as it gets.

Ken


Main: G68J, 5K2s, 5Ks, HSU subs, Pio 151FD, Dish VP722, Roku, Wadia I70, Anti Mode Dual Core, Oppo 103D Vanity Lite
Office: SBT, Berkeley Series 2/MQA, Audience 2+2v2, Hegel, JL e110, Dual Core, 218, Roon.
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#274709 - 2018-04-02 03:03 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Kswanson]
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+1 Ken.


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#274710 - 2018-04-02 03:57 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Rick415]
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You have a PM.


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#274721 - 2018-04-03 01:34 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Kswanson]
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Kind of a bummer that I have to spend $1000 on a 218 when I don’t need it’s DAC or streaming functions - just the MQA unfolding.

It really seems like this should be built into the SE’s...


G68ADV, DSP3100, Rythmik F12 sub, RPi2 with Sbooster LPS, Allo SPDIF board and Roon
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#274734 - 2018-04-03 11:27 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Rick415]
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It just the price of admission. We have all had to pay it if we wanted MQA. Kind of like a 4k tv without a 4k source.


861v8, 808v6, DSP5200SE, DSP7200.2HC, M6, QNAP TS451, 218 various other bits.
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#274905 - 2018-04-07 21:19 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: OldDogCan]
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ODC,

Have you tried a linear supply on the 218? Perhaps that would help it out.

I’m thinking about a 218 for MQA (see my post today) but not sure how to connect it to the G68, which I currently use for bass management of an analog sub (eventually the plan is to use it for room correction and Trifield)

Cheers,

Rick


G68ADV, DSP3100, Rythmik F12 sub, RPi2 with Sbooster LPS, Allo SPDIF board and Roon
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#274907 - 2018-04-07 22:37 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Rick415]
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Surely the 218 already has a good linear power supply.


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Meridian 218, DSP3200.
Lindemann Musicbook / Lyngdorf SDA-2400, PMC Wafer 1 (shared with Marantz SR7011 7.1 system).
Testing Bluesound Node 2 and Auralic Aries Mini with above.
Explorer 2.
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#274928 - 2018-04-08 15:02 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Rick415]
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Originally Posted By Rick415
Kind of a bummer that I have to spend $1000 on a 218 when I don’t need it’s DAC or streaming functions - just the MQA unfolding.

It really seems like this should be built into the SE’s...
There’s always a Bluesound Node 2 for $500. Does MQA, Roon endpoint as well. Looks nice too. SPDIF coax out and no Meridian integration, of course.

But you’re still paying for a nice DAC in there you won’t use. wink


DSP5000/18, 500.2, Bluesound Node 2 (MQA)
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#274932 - 2018-04-08 16:59 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: JobSeeker]
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The 218 power supply is listed as linear.

John


My system: Apple TV, HD621, G68D, AC11, 218, DSP7200SE (L+R), DSP3200 (L+R Rear) [Zone 2 - M3100 L+R]
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#274940 - 2018-04-08 21:01 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: JohnMcElfresh]
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Hi John,I've checked the manual and datasheet, and don't see that. Where did you find it?

Given the small size, I'm surprised there's room for a linear supply...

Cheers,

Rick


G68ADV, DSP3100, Rythmik F12 sub, RPi2 with Sbooster LPS, Allo SPDIF board and Roon
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#274950 - 2018-04-09 07:22 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Rick415]
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Near the end of the data sheet.


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#274952 - 2018-04-09 07:58 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Ratbert]
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Interesting. Didn’t think there was any way to stuff a linear supply into a box that small.


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#274954 - 2018-04-09 08:06 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Rick415]
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The inside picture reveals how it is done.

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#274966 - 2018-04-09 14:15 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Ratbert]
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I still don't see a linear supply...


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#274968 - 2018-04-09 14:36 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Ratbert]
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Hi All,

The 218 power supply is actually switch mode.

The 218 data sheet has been amended accordingly, some time ago I believe.

Apologies for any confusion caused.

Cheers,
Rick


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#274975 - 2018-04-09 18:34 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Hi Rick
Could you please advise if the 258 preliminary data (which as far as the power supply is concerned is exactly the same as 218) is linear or switched mode?

Awaiting your valued response.

Hector


AV: Thorens TD160B, SME, ShureV15MK2, 500, 598, 861v4, DSP7200.1LR, DSP3300HC Samsung UE55, SkyHD.
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#274995 - 2018-04-10 08:21 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Hector]
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The 251 is listed as having a linear PSU on Meridian’s website see below, is this correct? Seems unlikely based on what Rick says on the 218?

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#274996 - 2018-04-10 08:45 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I have to say that I feel very misled by Meridian about this. It seemed to me that they made quite a selling point about the linear power supply in the 218.


Roon (ROCK NUC with internal SSD storage)
Meridian 218, DSP3200.
Lindemann Musicbook / Lyngdorf SDA-2400, PMC Wafer 1 (shared with Marantz SR7011 7.1 system).
Testing Bluesound Node 2 and Auralic Aries Mini with above.
Explorer 2.
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#275000 - 2018-04-10 11:21 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: JobSeeker]
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Went to You Tube and found a promo video of 258. Definitely (big) Linear PSU.

Hector


AV: Thorens TD160B, SME, ShureV15MK2, 500, 598, 861v4, DSP7200.1LR, DSP3300HC Samsung UE55, SkyHD.
DINING: MS600, AC200, DSP5200SLLR.
STUDY 504, SB Touch, 2x MD600, C15, 808.6, 5200SE, Mac & PC, Explorer v1, Prime+PS Grado GS1000i
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#275002 - 2018-04-10 11:31 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Hector]
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#275004 - 2018-04-10 13:14 Re: 218 options with Non-SL processors [Re: Rick415]
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