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#274068 - 2018-03-08 15:40 Re: Thiel: a warning from today [Re: gIzzE]
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Thanks gIzzE.

Those ribbon tweeters look rather nice, I'm shocked they don't go above 22Khz, most do (not that there's anything up there to hear).

All the best,

Steve.


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#274113 - 2018-03-11 12:37 Re: Thiel: a warning from today [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
I wasn't going to mention that, as it was also considerably cheaper.

Roon - Meridian Explorer 2 - Quad 405 amp (refurbed) - Quad S2 speakers with a Rel Strata sub.

I then went on an upgrade binge trying speakers from Focal, Harbeth, Scansonic, Logan and Quad 988s, and amps from Croft, Bel Canto, Quad 909 etc. but in the end still preferred the little S2s with the 405 amp.

That whole system cost me around £1000 in total, it is sublime.
That is so interesting. Our US equivalent of QUAD is Martin-Logan (M-L). They are the legendary makers of ES speakers here. I have a pair of their LX-16 bookshelves that I bought very cheaply on close out when they replaced it with the cosmetic change only Motion15. It was, like yours, also a purchase intended for the bedroom. These, like the S2, are M-L’s attempt to recreate the electrostatic sound in a compact WAF friendly form. They use a marvelous AMT tweeter rather than a ribbon. Paired with a Bluesound Powernode 2 with full MQA and a lightly used Velodyne Optimum 8 sub, I pretty much have a North American equivalent of your British system for about the equivalent £1000 (Actually still wondering how you managed that, given that the price on the S2’s is £1000 alone?)

They sit on top of my 5000’s, are finished beautifully, but at their price point the cabinets are poorly braced, and there is a distinct cabinet resonance (which I keep intending to mod). But I can’t help but still love them, dammit!

I don’t have the same experience with MQA as you, but admittedly I do not listen as critically as most but move all about - in fact, I hesitate to admit, a majority of time I listen with the speakers behind me!

Anyway, I thought it remarkable how the quest for MQA brought us both from Meridian to such similarly inexpensive but satisfying endpoints.

Not having become as familiar with Roon (as yet!), does Roon do your volume control? And what do you use for your Roon core?


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#274114 - 2018-03-11 12:56 Re: Thiel: a warning from today [Re: Nstzya]
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The S2s are £599-699 depending on finish, I think a few on eBay are £1000 but that is generally based on Italian sellers who tend to have higher margins.

I bought mine from Ian at Martins and he did me a bit of a deal as well.
The Rel sub was used and £150, the Quad amp was obviously used, 30 years old or more, and was £300 refurbed and recapped with a dual mono PSU, Explorer 2 was £89 and the the Pi was £80 including iFi PSU.

So roughly a grand anyway. wink

Yeah Roon controls the output on the Explorer 2 through my phone/lapto[/tablet etc., so I go direct into the power amp, I tried a few pre amps first but preferred it direct, which is great as saved a few quid.


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#274115 - 2018-03-11 13:04 Re: Thiel: a warning from today [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
...You can definitely hear a difference between the MQA and non MQA tracks on them still, but, and I am probably going to regret saying this on here, I am not a fan of MQA.

The odd album I have heard has sounded nicer, but in general I just don't like it as much as a well recorded lossless version. There is generally more space, more detail, more of a forward sound, but to me I just don't like it as much. The best way I can describe it is when you jump from 18bit 5000s to 24bit 5000s, the 5000s sound smoother, more laid back, more grown up, where as the 18bit 5Ks have more bite, more PRAT as Naim would say, but that is not a sound for me....
NOW, you’re worrying me! I just spent more than my 5000/18bit’s are worth on some upgraded and modded 96/24 boards to - after 15 years of ownership - finally have 96/24. And you’re telling me it’s going to make them more laid back? Of course, I also invested in new OEM replacement tweeters as these are the original 25 year old ones and the replacements were intended to remedy my complaint of being too laid back compared to current fresh technology (see prior Martin Logan discussion above). So... I guess we’ll see. Perhaps I’ll replace the tweeters first. Then the boards....

Anyway, wanted to ask. What are you referring to when you say “...in general I just don't like it as much as a well recorded lossless version.” Are you talking 16/44 FLAC or something higher resolution?


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#274116 - 2018-03-11 13:07 Re: Thiel: a warning from today [Re: gIzzE]
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What do you use for Roon Core? And what do you stream? (My Bluesounds are Roon endpoints.)

(Boy we have really strayed off topic!)


DSP5000/18, 500.2, Bluesound Node 2 (MQA)
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#274135 - 2018-03-12 13:41 Re: Thiel: a warning from today [Re: Nstzya]
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I much prefer the 24 bit 5000s, still one of my favourites. Don't worry about that, they are more refined, but more detail if anything.



I use a 2012 Mac Mini as my Roon Core, works really well. Just my office computer, stuck it on there to test Roon and can't see why I would want any more than that.

Stream to Sonos Play 5 and then Raspberry Pi's with Meridian Explorer 2 on the end and also with a Digi+ card that goes straight into DSPs. But the DSPs have now gone so using that one in the TV room into an Arcam Movie Solo.


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#274160 - 2018-03-12 13:44 Re: Thiel: a warning from today [Re: Nstzya]
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Originally Posted By Nstzya
Anyway, wanted to ask. What are you referring to when you say “... in general I just don't like it as much as a well recorded lossless version.” Are you talking 16/44 FLAC or something higher resolution?
Both, I am often finding the regular 16/44 file on Tidal sounds nicer than the MQA version.

Just personal preference though, and if I still had DSPs I am sure that extra bite I would find a benefit.


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