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#272028 - 2018-01-19 21:18 iOS substitute for MSR?
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Probably a dumb question, but is there a convenient option to control basic functions - volume up/down for a DSP speaker (legacy DSP5000) from an iOS device?


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#272029 - 2018-01-19 21:21 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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vMSR app and a Global Cache iTach network to serial converter.


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#272030 - 2018-01-19 22:08 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Ian]
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Sorry, how would I interface that?


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Edited by Nstzya; 2018-01-20 11:04.
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#272035 - 2018-01-19 22:22 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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If your streaming, Roon and Sooloos will control volume etc to an MS200


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#272043 - 2018-01-19 23:02 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Yes, perhaps as I come up to speed... but all I have now are the two DSP5000’s left over from former days, a Bluesound Node 2 streaming directly to them, and my variety of iOS devices to control the Bluesound. Although I can control the volume with variable digital out from the Bluesound, I’d rather not throw away resolution and control volume at the DSP without resorting to the cumbersome MSR. Just hoping that there’s a workaround of some sort that I’m ignorant of...


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Edited by Nstzya; 2018-01-20 11:13.
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#272049 - 2018-01-20 00:22 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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Ian replied your question and suggested a very good option... have you clicked the vMSR link in his post and read up on it?

If you have any specific questions that aren’t coved in that linked topic or the virtualMSR site itself... or you need further clarification then get back to us or to Rick at AudioImages.

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#272053 - 2018-01-20 03:10 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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Chris,
So if I don’t want to use Sooloos or Roon or anything but a simple volume control, there is nothing here?


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#272059 - 2018-01-20 08:44 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
vMSR app and a Global Cache iTach network to serial converter.
Doesn't the global cache have to connect to a processor or can it connect direct to DSPs?


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#272060 - 2018-01-20 08:54 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Jon Raines]
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It attaches to your Controller, so without a processor I think adding one to the DSP designated as Controller should just work.

I can test it if needed.

Here’s a Link to the Global Cache item for the OP.


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#272070 - 2018-01-20 10:16 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Jon Raines]
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Originally Posted By Jon Raines
Doesn't the global cache have to connect to a processor or can it connect direct to DSPs?
vMSR + Global cache works just fine when connected directly to the DSP speaker (configured as MASTER and Controller) via its RS232 port.
There is a vMSR setting "Managed Comms", that needs switching off ... so it does not expect processor feedback.


All the information functionality and use cases are here vMSR Product Website.

Rick's introduction and subsequent forum discussion of the vMSR is here virtualMSR (vMSR) iPad App for Meridian (as previously linked in Ian's post at the top of this topic).

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#272071 - 2018-01-20 10:44 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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Originally Posted By Nstzya
Sorry, or if I don’t understand his suggestion .... and I mean this in the kindliest newbie manner possible...
Hi,

Your not giving us much to help you with ... the vMSR is a software application that runs on an Apple iPad ... that can emulate a Meridian System Remote (MSR).

You need to read these links ... they will explain what the vMSR software application is and why it needs Global Caché iTach IP2SL hardware to support it.

All the information functionality and use cases are here vMSR Product Website.

Rick's introduction and subsequent forum discussion of the vMSR is here virtualMSR (vMSR) iPad App for Meridian.

Please do this and confirm that you have, then you will be better informed and be able to move forwards with this.

Regards,
Carl


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#272073 - 2018-01-20 11:22 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Carl]
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Sorry... I guess I panicked. shocked Just sounded like a lot of additional new equipment and cyberspeak. blush As I reread the thread now, I think I was responding while others were posting and musta missed some. I’ll take a look.

Thanks!


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#272074 - 2018-01-20 12:02 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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Just one new bit of kit, the Global Cache item. You need it to interface between the RS232 of your DSP and a wired internet connection.

The vMSR is an app you can download for free.


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#272088 - 2018-01-20 14:04 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: dpstjp]
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It is a minimal investment for the Global Cache unit. I bought one about a year ago and love it. It is very easy to use.

The Global Cache plugs into your router, and the other thing you need is a null modem cable to connect to the processor or controller speaker.


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#272091 - 2018-01-20 14:55 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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It looks as if this interface will require a wired connection into my network... unfortunately I have none in the vicinity of the DSPs... can an AirPort Express work to wirelessly ether-bridge to the network?


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#272094 - 2018-01-20 15:07 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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Then use a cheap wireless router specific to the task of vMSR. Connect the iOS device to it when you need to control the state of the DSP's. If you need something more integrated, look a getting a control system.


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#272095 - 2018-01-20 15:19 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Nstzya]
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Originally Posted By Nstzya
... unfortunately I have none in the vicinity of the DSPs...
The forum’s Google search is your friend ... there’s a WIFi version ...

Have a read of this topic: vMSR + iTach WF2SL - any experiences? .

Regards,
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#272097 - 2018-01-20 15:57 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Carl]
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And yes, an AirPort express will also connect a wired device you your network.


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#273883 - 2018-03-01 17:34 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: JohnSWimer]
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Hi there - has anyone used vMSR with DSP5000's ? I ask as I get
Connected to room: 192.168... The vMSR connection is active!
Then
"Failed to get any response from the Meridian unit on the active connection.."

Mine is plugged into the DSP5000C - I was wondering if anyone uses vMSR on these old units?


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#273884 - 2018-03-01 17:39 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: BodgerBen]
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Hi BodgerBen

Welcome to the forum.

The vMSR app needs to be used with a Global Cache box on your network, can't remember exactly what model it is, but someone will chime in soon.

Cheers

George

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#273888 - 2018-03-01 18:16 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Thanks George,

I've just got some old kit that I'm having a play with, 18bit DSP5K front L & R, DSP5KC center, 555 to power rear B&W Solids and a 562V with MM for my turntable and DAC (that I'm not using), 565 and 598.

The remote that came with the speakers is pre MSR - a big white D5000 remote, I'm using a Logitech 1100 that works OK, but the vMSR would be nice.

And yes, I'm using the recommended Global Cache IP2SL powered from a USB port of the Intel NUC behind the TV - vMSR sees the Global Cache gizmo - I get

Search completed, 1 compatible device(s) online
-- device [iTachIP2SL/00Cblah_blah_blah]

So vMSR see's the Global Cache box - just not the DSP500C

Most stuff I see for vMSR is for later kit, just wondering if anyone has it working for the old stuff I have.

Cheers,
Ben


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#273889 - 2018-03-01 18:17 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: BodgerBen]
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All information available on the vMSR website

Edit, sorry posts crossed


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Edited by Ratbert; 2018-03-01 18:18.
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#273892 - 2018-03-01 18:36 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Ratbert]
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Thanks guys, but just to be clear, I've read the vMSR website, purchased the Global Cache box they recommend, that's plugged in and working and vMSR sees the Global Cache box.

And the Global Cache box is plugged into the DSP5000C's serial port.

vMSR does not connect to the DSP5000C - I've tried with "Manged Comms" enabled and disabled - and I get

"Failed to get any response from the Meridian Unit"

I tried with the serial cable plugged into the 565 - which reports the same.

So, I thought I'd ask on here if anyone uses vMSR with old 500/5000 stuff.


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#273907 - 2018-03-02 08:44 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: BodgerBen]
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A while ago I wrote a GlobalCache emulator and vMSR worked fine with my DSP5000's. No reason why official unit should not.

What serial cable are you using. IIRC that you still need the null modem (ie crossover) cable.


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#273919 - 2018-03-02 19:06 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Ian]
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Thanks for confirming that vMSR works with DSP5K's Ian, I used an serial cable I had here - I'll check the pins are wired as a null modem cable, I must admit I dug out a raft of serial cables and used the only one I had with two male ends without checking the pins.

I'll let you know how I get on.

Cheers,
Ben


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#273945 - 2018-03-04 08:43 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Ian]
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Hello Ian

Would this work as well?

WiFi to Serial

Save a bit of cabling.

Thanks

Neil


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#273947 - 2018-03-04 12:07 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: Neil H]
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Hi Neil,

Yes the WF2SL does work with vMSR, but isn't the recommended Global Cache Device for two reasons:

1) It's wireless, and by the nature of wireless, less robust.
2) The WF2SL needs to be configured onto your network before use, Wi-Fi password etc.
. . So it's not as 'plug and play' as the IP2SL, which requires no setup at all.

Cheers,

Rick


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#273981 - 2018-03-05 21:36 Re: iOS substitute for MSR? [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Yes vMSR works with DSP5KC which is my controller, the only problem I had was the iTach IP2SL box needed to be manually set to a baud rate of 2400.

I downloaded iHelp, double click on the iTachIP2SL box which opens your browser with the iTach Configuration page.

The DSP5K RS232 pdf link was broken on Meridian's site so I just searched for the PDF which found it lurking in a corner and that showed that the old speakers needed a slower baud rate.

I've left Managed Comms off as that's what the vMSR website says for 500 series and DSP speakers.

I may try making another box the controller, either the 565 or the 598 as there's no control of DSP etc. from the D5KC.

Anyway, it's working smile


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