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#271040 - 2017-12-24 16:18 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: Mr_Sukebe]
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Originally Posted By Mr_Sukebe
Unfortunately, a certain vocal element who frequent the hi-fi forums don't share my view and have been spreading vitriol for a couple of years now. Say it enough times and some people will believe you.

I'd love to see MQA standing up to these comments and questions directly, as most are just rubbish and could/should be easily put to bed by the group with the right answers. I'm amazed that it's not been forthcoming.
There has been some response, most notably Bob's big Q&A on computeraudiophile.com. Don't get me wrong, I would like a *lot* more information from MQA Ltd.; but the simple truth is that we now live in a world where fake news and distrust of experts are endemic. Bob can respond again and again, but that won't stop those with vested interests (boutique PCM studios and providers of audiophile DSP), trolls, idiot bloggers, and their followers finding some angle and promulgating falsehoods. Unfortunately, debate over genuine concerns surrounding MQA technology (for example, the audibility of aliasing) is completely drowned out in the maelstrom of MQA hate.

In 5, 10, 20 years time, we'll wonder what all the fuss was about. IMO, and to paraphrase Sun Tzu, by the time MQA was launched (went to war), the victory (winning over the artists, recording engineers, and studios) had already been won behind closed doors. There was never going to be a repeat of the DVDA/SACD/MP3 "mistake". Audiofools can shout until they're blue in the face, but their opinion matters little.


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#271042 - 2017-12-24 16:39 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: VirusKiller]
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Thank you VK
I will cancel my Spotify subscription and rely on the future success of MQA and Tidal.
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#271044 - 2017-12-24 16:51 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: VirusKiller]
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Very well put Joel.

There may be a few HH members here still who were on the HH visit when the F80 was revealed.

This was well before MQA but Bob did make a curious statement, with a twinkle in his eye, in the open floor Q&A that “not all lossless was the same”. An odd thing to say to the group who were all “experts” with their FLAC files and squeezeboxes.

During a visit to HQ where we were actively trying to develop relations and features for this site, whilst waiting for Paul, a certain Mr Craven who was also in reception, asked if we “were from Warner”.

All this was well before MQA emerged.

The work that has gone into MQA is far, far more than we see. The key battles were indeed played out well before the anti-mob ever heard of it.


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#271046 - 2017-12-24 17:12 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: ncpl]
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Peter Craven was at my father’s 60th birthday party and talked about his work on finding the important information in a high resolution audio stream. My dad is now 71. That’s a lot of man hours going into MQA.


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#271048 - 2017-12-24 17:29 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: Ludwig]
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FWIW, I'm not saying that it's going to be plain sailing in the world of streaming: clearly none of the current streaming services appears to have a profitable business model, nor one which distributes royalties equitably (i.e. smaller artists getting their share). That said, Verizon only recently bought a third of TIDAL for $200M, so there is vested interest from at least one very large corporate in TIDAL's future.


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#271054 - 2017-12-24 20:44 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: Ludwig]
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I nearly mentioned that family link Ludwig but thought I would leave that for you 😀


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#271354 - 2018-01-02 21:55 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: ncpl]
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#271762 - 2018-01-13 09:09 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Another one against Spotify Huffington censors Spotify criticism


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#271767 - 2018-01-13 09:35 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: JaapJan]
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thanks for posting that.


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#271776 - 2018-01-13 10:25 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: Ian]
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Very interesting reading
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#273705 - 2018-02-24 17:51 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: Hector]
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Hi all,

With my new apartment setup and the switch to headphone listening all my critical music listening is now done from the comfort of my office - PC to Prime. I have already begrudgingly moved away from Sooloos - still my much preferred choice - but as I can't get a bit perfect output from Touch / Control:PC I have moved to a full FLAC export and JRiver. Perhaps a 218 in the future will get me back on Sooloos but I'm not sure it would offer a great deal in my case.

I am getting increasingly interested in using Tidal as my main music platform. The benefit of MQA (or simply high-res offered from Streaming providers otherwise unavailable for purchase), exploring new music and finding classics and having a single platform for all listening is very alluring but here's my conundrum - which I'm sure many must have considered although surprising not brought up in this thread....

What if they go bust (or any other streaming service for that matter) and you've spent hours, days, weeks, even years curating a collection of your favourite music, setting up countless playlists etc?

Has anyone any experience of signing up to a service that has gone bust? It is as simple as you lose everything?

I'd like to think that as a passing gesture to customers there would be a way offered to port your library look-up table over to another service but is this even possible - EG Tidal goes bust and offers a link than you can upload in Deezer to re-instate your playlists and collection from their library (Tidal could probably charge a tidy sum to a competitor for this as they would naturally take on a huge % of their customer base).

Or is this something a company like Roon could do? They manage collections from a number of streaming services so its not inconceivable they could offer a service that takes your library and searches for it on another platform if it had too. Would be a great additional selling point too - anyone from Roon able to comment?

Curious to know if anyone's made the full switch to streaming only despite the risks. 1st world decisions.

Interested in any / all views for discussion - keeps me at my desk longer smile.

PS. I'm not trying to suggest Tidal is in trouble - just using them as the example as per the topic. Clearly the same applies to all streaming services.


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#273877 - 2018-03-01 11:35 Re: What if Tidal goes bust... [Re: Simon Mirren]
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I saw This BBC link today, suggesting that Spotify is in very rude health, which reminded me about this recent thread.

Not sure if there's any update on Tidal's financial strength; a quick search didn't show up anything very recent.


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