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#270720 - 2017-12-14 13:32 TIDAL financial health
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An article in Engadget, quoting an article in a Norwegian newspaper, is questioning the financial stability and future of TIDAL.

The various MQA naysayers on another forum are somehow linking the supposed demise of TIDAL to Roon, MQA and Meridian. I am not holding the sources up as reliable in any way, nor making those same connections.

Anyone here with knowledge of corporate financing and/or the ability to read Norwegian care to offer any insight?


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#270721 - 2017-12-14 14:40 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: Gianni]
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Looks like 'Tidal is doomed' articles pop up on a regular basis. I don't think you're going to get a true picture of the financials or potential rescue options. If it dies, it dies and I'll worry about it if it happens.


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#270722 - 2017-12-14 14:56 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: Cliff.]
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There is a tread on this on the Roon forum with interesting input from Danny.

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#270730 - 2017-12-14 20:20 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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The problem with Tidal for me is since the new owners got hold of it all the music suggestions are based on... them.

None of the suggested artists are based on the music I listen to on Tidal, it is all based on what the owners want to promote. All music I hate.

The price point is also too high for the masses, £14.99 would be far better.

The library is still missing loads of stuff that is on Qubuz.

It is for those reasons I think it will fail.

If it wasn't for Roon and MQA how many on here would be using it? You know, like the other 99.9% of people who use music streaming services.


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#270742 - 2017-12-15 06:19 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: gIzzE]
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Qubuz high res costs 349 euro/annum
Tidal did and does not charge anything for MQA

I dont hav another option but Sooloos and Tidal works perfect, so why would one choose for an inferior service like apple or Spotify or a stupid expensive Qubuz.

More important news is that US voted net neutrality out of the window, now that is news, bad news.


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#270745 - 2017-12-15 09:06 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: JaapJan]
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No, we wouldn't.

But you have to remember most people want the catalogue of music, and the $9.99 plan is enough.

Look at Alexa rankings, Spotify is at number 144, Tidal is at 10,899, I think that says a lot.

Any service than can't break 1% of market share has to offer something no one else does, and that is how Tidal is surviving, but it won't be long before it no longer offers that, as the others will too. Then what?




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#270747 - 2017-12-15 09:32 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: gIzzE]
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qobuz.com is 21,902 so how does that fit in with your predictions? To be fair a lot of businesses fail even well established ones. When do you think Tidal will fail by?

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#270751 - 2017-12-15 11:34 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: GMT]
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My point about qobuz was that it has a much better library as far as many are concerned when you hear the discussions on qobuz vs Tidal.

The rankings was just to show that most consumers want the biggest most complete library, quality comes second.

You have to remember that many, even on the dedicated hifi forums still reckon you can't hear a difference between 320 MP3 vs FLAC, let alone Hi Res, and let's not even get into MQA.

That is what we are up against.

I hope it doesn't fail, but when Spotify adds lossless how many new customers do you think Tidal will attract?


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#270754 - 2017-12-15 13:05 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: gIzzE]
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I don't think that is what the rankings are suggesting. Tidal score higher in the rankings than Qubuz, has better SQ, yet has a worse library.
I think you are right about Spotify lossless though, Tidal will need to do something to make it unique and I don't think Roon is going to be the answer. Maybe more MQA devices and stream-able MQA content may help, but you have to say what is stopping others from doing the same?

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Tom


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#270755 - 2017-12-15 14:08 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: GMT]
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I was comparing Tidal with Spotify when it came to Alexa searching.

The qobuz thing was with regard to discussions on the other HiFi forums, many see it as a better service 'proper' Hi-Res if you want it, and great catalogue.

MQA is not going to be a saviour, in fact many still see it as the anti christ.


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#270756 - 2017-12-15 15:17 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
MQA is not going to be a saviour, in fact many still see it as the anti christ.
What do the nay sayers fear from the suggested anti christ?
This is beyond my comprehension.

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#270757 - 2017-12-15 15:43 Re: TIDAL financial health [Re: Hector]
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Many see it as a lossy format that is simply there to line the pockets of many.

There is real hatred out there towards MQA.


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