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#270325 - 2017-11-29 21:50 Projector light-spill
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We bought our first projector just before we moved out to Italy, we got our lovely 2.35 screen installed then fired up the first film; A Bug's Life, if I remember. A glorious 2.35 image.

I looked askance as the light from the PJ was falling on the wall & not just on the screen. I'd read a fair bit about PJs etc prior to buying & reading about the various zooms / lens memories etc lead me to expect that a 2.35 image would be just that; all light falling upon the screen & a black wall behind. No such luck.

I bought the X70-R ex-dem from a guy who seemed to know his way around a PJ so I mentioned it to him & he explained that that's the way they work. A bit disappointing, but that's life.

Then, oddly, a month or two later, the light-spill stopped & all light from the PJ fell upon the screen with none on the surrounding wall. I had done nothing to any settings that might explain it; it just happened. This continued for a good couple of years; so long in fact that I'd forgotten all about the light spill. Then it came back for ONE NIGHT then went away again for some time then came back & is still here.

Anybody any idea what's happening? At no point have I done anything to the PJ that might affect its output as my understanding is that it isn't controllable by the end user. Obviously I prefer the light falling on the screen alone & not the wall behind but I don't know how to achieve that, if indeed it is possible to do so. Any guidance very much appreciated, as ever.


Audio: MC200, G61R SL, HD621, DSP5500, 5500HC, DSP3100. Subs: 2 x REL Gibraltar 2.
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#270326 - 2017-11-29 22:08 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Not'arf]
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Hi Marcus
Are the viewing conditions always the same? i.e. same levels of lightness in the room? How about the films? Have you tried to see if different films have different results. Does the rest of the image on screen seem OK? No blurring etc?


Cheers
Tom


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#270327 - 2017-11-30 01:36 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Not'arf]
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Have you noticed a change in fan noise when the light spill change occurs?


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#270328 - 2017-11-30 06:22 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Akimo]
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Hi Tom. Lighting conditions always the same; blackout curtains on doors & external shutters on windows. This is an effect that has been consistent for years & then changed & changed again, so it isn't software related.

Increase in fan noise? No, I haven't noticed that Akimo but then I virtually never notice the fan noise anyway.

Perhaps I could have been clearer; when I get the light spill, the 'light' from the PJ is 16x9 in shape, so a TV broadcast will fill the screen vertically with the usual unused space to the L&R of the 'Scope screen. Watching a 2.35 film will fill the screen with image, but the 'light' is still 16x9 in shape, so light falls on the wall above & below the screen. We have the wall painted dark green so it isn't too intrusive but it robs us of some contrast & just isn't as satisfying.


Audio: MC200, G61R SL, HD621, DSP5500, 5500HC, DSP3100. Subs: 2 x REL Gibraltar 2.
Video: JVC X70, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen 129"(2.35).

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#270329 - 2017-11-30 08:48 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Not'arf]
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Are you saying that, for a 2.35 format film the areas above and below the image have suddenly become bright instead the usual black bars? I’m not sure what could cause a change like that. The only settings I’m aware of that may cause that sort of change on the JVC are the ‘Mask’, ‘Aspect’ and possibly ‘Anamorphic' settings. Any of these been accidentally changed. I suppose changes to analogous settings on the player could also mess things up.


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#270330 - 2017-11-30 09:40 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Cliff.]
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The only thing I can think of is the bulb output changed. If the hours are getting on a bit, it is possible the arc shifted position and is now making better contact meaning it is now brighter than it was. I occasionally get a flickering on my JVC HD350 and to resolve I put the bulb into high output mode for a few minutes. This causes the bulb to find a new arc point which it settles on.

Another thing you can check is the black level calibration. If you have such a tool available, check to see what the black level looks like when you have the light spill versus not. Might help identify whether your bulb is outputting more (in which case black level shouldn't change relative to the output) or if the brightness control got nudged or is playing up in some way.

I'm about out of ideas for the moment.


Chris
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#270331 - 2017-11-30 09:47 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Chris G]
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I suppose acidentally moving to 'high output' 3D mode is another possibility although you should have noticed an increase in fan noise


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#270332 - 2017-11-30 10:38 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Cliff.]
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Hi Marcus

Does the image quality seem to be the same?

Thanks
tom


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#270333 - 2017-11-30 11:02 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: GMT]
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Quote:
Are you saying that, for a 2.35 format film the areas above and below the image have suddenly become bright instead the usual black bars?
Yes, that's it exactly Cliff. Not bright exactly, but 'lit'.

Thanks for the suggestions so far. Image quality seems unaffected Tom with the light spill or without.

For clarity, do others with 'Scope screens see light falling above & below their screens watching a 2.35 film?

As for changing the settings, that's something I just NEVER do, for fear of messing something up! I suppose it's plausible that some gremlins might have re-set something during turn off / power cut or something. I'll have a look later at the settings suggested here. A few months ago I'd decided that the bulb was on its last legs so fitted a new one. The old one had done 2,264 hours but I run it in High lamp mode so thought it might be done for. The new one looked...exactly the same so I may have been premature with the change.

But, we were getting a couple of years with no light spill when the old bulb was still young, so it can't be that.


Audio: MC200, G61R SL, HD621, DSP5500, 5500HC, DSP3100. Subs: 2 x REL Gibraltar 2.
Video: JVC X70, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen 129"(2.35).

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#270334 - 2017-11-30 12:51 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Not'arf]
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Assuming the bulb is not playing up, It suggests to me that you have inadvertently modified a setting which increases overall image brightness. But, if you are seeing no difference in image quality that’s also difficult to reconcile. Have you tried the various picture mode settings via the buttons on the remote (and also toggled through the User settings via the remote button)? It’s possible you have moved to a different user mode via an inadvertent button press.

I would also have a look at the black & white levels using a calibration disc (especially since you have changed the bulb). If you don’t have a disc, you can download and burn one from here.

On the black level test, only flashing bars above Reference Black (16) should be visible. If you can see 16 and below, your brightness is set too high.


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#270335 - 2017-11-30 14:42 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Cliff.]
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Yes, with my scope screen I get a tiny bit of light bleed but its really only ever noticeable when the onscreen content is very very dark anyway. The black areas outside the scope screen never change luminance.

I wonder if your playback device is adjusting the black level. Would be easy to verify by examining it on your TV. If the black bars also gained output on the TV, then your PJ is just fine.


Chris
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#270346 - 2017-11-30 21:46 Re: Projector light-spill [Re: Chris G]
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OK... I've been into uncharted territory & actually delved into the menus...

This is the SP as I found it. Hopefully the settings will mean more to the wiser folk on here than they do to me.

Picture Adjust:

Dark Level: 0
Bright Level: 4
Picture Mode: Cinema
Colour Profile: Cinema 1
Colour Temp: Xenon 2
Gamma: A
All Picture Tones: 0

Advanced:

Colour Management: Off
Clear Motion Drive: Off
MPC Level: 2
Lens Aperture: -3
Lamp Power: High

Input Signal:

Aspect (video): 16:9
Mask: Off
Progressive: Auto
3D Setting: Auto

Installation:

Anamorphic: Off
Black Level: 0, but the cursor was hard-over to the left, so not sure if that is a neutral position.

Does that help anyone?

Thanks again for everyone's help to date.


Audio: MC200, G61R SL, HD621, DSP5500, 5500HC, DSP3100. Subs: 2 x REL Gibraltar 2.
Video: JVC X70, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen 129"(2.35).

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