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#269974 - 2017-11-17 14:53 KEF LS50W
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If it wasn't for Roon announcing that KEF LS50W's were now Roon enabled I wouldn't have given them much thought. They are supposedly based on the legendary Rogers LS3/5A (designed by the BBC). There is a separate passive version too.

Press reviews are very favourable.

For a little shy of the price of a pair of DSP3200's, the LS50W's sport twin 200w Class D LF and 30w Class AB HF amps, Uni-Q drivers, DSP Crossovers, twin 24/192 DACS, and twin pre-amps. Unlike most other active speakers, both units are active (rather than one active plus one passive).

Inputs include USB, optical, coax, phono, and, ethernet. Each unit is linked with a supplied Cat6 cable. There is a subwoofer output too. They can be used wirelessly or hard-wired to your home network.

Compared to the DSP3200's, I wouldn't have to buy a Meridian DSW, AC200, nor MS200 and QNAP - as I can utilise existing kit. That makes buying the LS50W's a bit of a bargain by comparison.


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#269975 - 2017-11-17 14:59 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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I have a pair of the LS50w’s I like them a lot and the recent Roon integration makes their setup and use even easier, I run mine off Devolo 650 adapters and have had no issues.

I do not run a sub as I find no need in my environment others I know do use a sub and are happy with the integration, firmware updates are a little clunky although clearly explained in the update utility which is available for Mac and Windows.

In addition to the inputs you mention you have wireless and Bluetooth, not when set to wireless the Ethernet connection is also live and this is how Roon connects.

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#269976 - 2017-11-17 15:14 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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Roon integration is a double win option for me: I could either utilise Roon streaming to my SBT/Meridian Director - or ignore Roon altogether and utilise Amarra SQ+ for streaming from my Mac to the LS50W's.


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#269997 - 2017-11-17 19:31 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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My LS50W’s are just connected to the network, Roon core sees them as an endpoint, nothing else needed.

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#269999 - 2017-11-17 20:08 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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It is a shame they have those coloured drivers, imho it really does spoil them.
Although, if they did the grey with the copper driver, I would take a pair. Haha

I would like to hear them though, everyone says very good things about them.


Lack of a sub out on Meridian DSP speakers has always been a bugbear of mine.


This speaker is pretty much what I was saying Meridian should have done a year or so ago.

A pair of DSP2200s with this connectivity priced at £2500 would have put Meridian back on the map with regular hifi enthusiasts and those who want a simple set up that sounds good.


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#270008 - 2017-11-18 09:56 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
It is a shame they have those coloured drivers, imho it really does spoil them.
I've just looked and they clearly fell out of the ugly tree! I cannot see them fitting unobtrusively in many rooms.

They do sound like a good thing though and the built in end-point with wireless connectivity in a more attractive or contemporary design might be very interesting.

Richard

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#270009 - 2017-11-18 10:02 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Richard W]
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My sitting room is very, very dark grey, Farrow & Ball Downpipe (colour, not their awful paint!) with copper and brass fittings, so the original black and copper versions would fit in there, but not available in the wireless/active version.


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#270010 - 2017-11-18 10:03 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Richard W]
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Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Personally, I think most of the Meridian DSP offerings are ugly.

I must admit that I would prefer the LS50w’s with Black drivers - but I wouldn’t be persuaded by their Nocturn option.


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#270011 - 2017-11-18 11:40 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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My wife called my 5200s 'The Daleks'. She hated them. I guess the Kefs are 'making a statement' with their colour scheme, but I can see a lot of people (dare I say women?) not buying unless 'the statement' fits in with the room's overall theme.


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#270012 - 2017-11-18 12:22 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: JobSeeker]
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Haha, Fiona always said it was like having R2D2 and his mate round for the evening.


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#270021 - 2017-11-18 17:27 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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To be honest, if the Kefs had been released with the ability to choose which was right/left (which of course they now have), then I may have bought them instead of the DSP3200s that I did buy. They certainly are pretty flexible. I do like the 3200s though.


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#270023 - 2017-11-18 18:27 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: JobSeeker]
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The KEF site has a designer inspired pair dark with a rather modernistic pattern that looked quite attractive vs the white with copper drivers until I scrolled down and the pattern is glow in the dark.

My grand children would like them along with the galaxies stuck to their bedroom ceilings, but not my living room thanks. Bit of a shame because they have a reputation for sounding pretty good.

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#270030 - 2017-11-19 08:49 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Richard W]
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I have the grey with red drivers (more towards orange) and find they blend in just fine, worth seeing in the flesh before making a judgement YMMV.

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Edited by Ratbert; 2017-11-19 09:11.
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#270104 - 2017-11-21 19:19 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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Today, I auditioned the LS50W’s at The Little Audio Company in Birmingham’s Jewellery Quarter.

I was seriously impressed. The online reviews are to taken at face value.

They’re definately on my shopping list when I’ve cleared out all my Meridian kit.


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#270105 - 2017-11-21 20:00 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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Originally Posted By spinaltap
They’re definately on my shopping list when I’ve cleared out all my Meridian kit.
How very very sad. Completely understandable and justifiable, but sad nonetheless.


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#273712 - 2018-02-24 20:30 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Richard W]
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Originally Posted By Richard W
The KEF site has a designer inspired pair dark with a rather modernistic pattern that looked quite attractive vs the white with copper drivers until I scrolled down and the pattern is glow in the dark.
I have a pair on 60day trial from Crutchfield at the moment. This is the Nocturne designer option which I happen to like. The glow in the dark part is only if you hit them with a black light. I was expecting some glow in the dark after cutting the lights. Actually kind of happy they don’t as they disappear in low light o/w. The digital pattern is subtle from a distance in daylight. Less noticeable than a starkly contrasting colored driver. And is a representation of digital music. Unique.

But the real treat is the sound. Only a few hours on them but I can already say that these blow away the Devialet Gold Phantoms that I just sent back on trial. Phantoms were far too bass heavy and recessed. These are balanced and transparent. I’m using my small Velodyne sub to augment below 50, but there is good impact. The coherency and sound stage is eery. And dare I say better than my 5k’s that are functioning as pedestals with Isoacoustics Aperta isolation stands on top of them.

Downsides : the software/app is glitchy and they don’t support gapless. Both apparently solved with Roon as the LS50W functions as a Roon endpoint and will then play gapless. But of course require Ethernet connection to do so. They were never truly wireless so what’s one more cat 6 cable to the one master speaker - which can be now switched left or right. In fact they are now essentially a Meridian speakerlink DSP. I think a huge part is the KEF coaxial driver. What KEF and Meridian could accomplish together...


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#273713 - 2018-02-24 21:05 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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I have a pair I use with Roon, they will work wireless or wired, I chose wired.


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#273714 - 2018-02-24 21:15 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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You certain? I thought I read that it must have Ethernet connection. Not yet Roon facile, so forgive ignorance - but will the fact that I,m using iOS iPad only make difference? Will I still be able to Roon with wireless WiFi?


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#273718 - 2018-02-25 05:37 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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Look up the powered model on Amazon and you will find 2 digital(plus an analog) wired options.


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#273719 - 2018-02-25 07:40 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Mtns]
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They are three times the price of 5ks though. New tweeters & recap might sweeten them up.

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#273722 - 2018-02-25 08:53 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Not really a valid comparison, how much were 5k’s new?


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#273723 - 2018-02-25 09:45 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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I would have thought new price 5ks vs KEF price would have been not valid, you can’t buy them new anymore, also shouldn’t we be looking at “if I had a choice would I spend £600 on 5ks or £2000 on KEFs”?

5ks cost £600, here.

Current cost vs current SQ?

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#273724 - 2018-02-25 09:56 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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As the LS50w’s are a Roon endpoint just connect an Ethernet cable the decision was an easy one, personally I do not want a speaker I need to get recapped or the tweeters replaced, didn’t CMB recently post the drivers were no longer available? I prefer to sit back and enjoy the music, YMMV.


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#273725 - 2018-02-25 10:12 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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Sorry the point wasn’t about your decision, there was a comparison about SQ “better than my 5ks” and about comparing historic rather than current prices.

Some of us like to fiddle. Yes, you’d have to add a raspberry pi & board, I think that’s a bit of fun.

Drivers come up periodically, I have a few spares. Not made anymore but available. Same with the tweeters.

I’m happy to solder a little, then sit back and enjoy the music ( all on a budget).

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#273726 - 2018-02-25 10:47 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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As long as there is a choice everyone can be happy.


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#273727 - 2018-02-25 13:40 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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Originally Posted By Nstzya
Only a few hours on them but I can already say that these blow away the Devialet Gold Phantoms that I just sent back on trial. Phantoms were far too bass heavy and recessed.
Devialet readily acknowledge that their Phantoms are sealed products: once they’re out of warranty, Devialet won’t replace (repair) them.

As for the ‘budget’ Meridian 5k arguement vs the LS50W’s, the Meridian’s are not a self-contained system. You can’t add a subwoofer to them - that requires a Meridian surround processor to which you can then add a subwoofer.

Add an MQA capable streamer to the LS50W’s, plus Subwoofer, and you have a stunning system.


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#273730 - 2018-02-25 14:27 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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I thought it was pretty easy to run a sub off a pair of 5ks (no processor)? Not sure if you’d actually need a sub though. As a one box system, they’re not missing much, Velcro a pi on the back...

Add an MQA streamer and sub, yes you would have a stunning system but at a price.

I don’t understand why people don’t take cost into account here. Comparing things costing three times more, I’d expect a pretty big upgrade SQ wise.

People having these as kitchen speakers suggest budget isn’t too material to them.

Seems like a lot on this forum are turning against Meridian. Kind of begs the question...

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#273731 - 2018-02-25 14:38 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
Seems like a lot on this forum are turning against Meridian. Kind of begs the question...
I think since Roon came along people who used to have Sooloos systems and mostly Meridian equipment have had the opportunity to try other manufacturers endpoints and other equipment and have found themselves appreciating that where Meridian once were out in front others have either caught up or overtaken them and in some cases for less cost.


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#273732 - 2018-02-25 15:30 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
I thought it was pretty easy to run a sub off a pair of 5ks (no processor)?
On the LS50W’s you can adjust the crossover frequency between Speakers and Subwoofer. There’s a dedicated Subwoofer output in the LS50W’s. You can’t do that on a pair of 5k’s.


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#273733 - 2018-02-25 15:31 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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I get all that but you can use Roon and other endpoints with Meridian speakers, which is the point.

It’s the value vs SQ. I think you’ll struggle to beat used 5ks plus pi, so I’m intrigued, what caught up with or overtaken for less than a pi and a pair?

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#273734 - 2018-02-25 15:33 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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I strongly suggest you go audition a pair of LS50W’s. Then you can make a comparative judgement.


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#273737 - 2018-02-25 15:56 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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I’ll have a go, £2-3k though...

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#273739 - 2018-02-25 16:31 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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They’re <£2k retail: less if you negotiate a discount.


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#273740 - 2018-02-25 17:06 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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Plus streamer plus sub? I give up.

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#273743 - 2018-02-25 17:22 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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In USA, Crutchfield is an online retailer who very wisely offers free two day shipping 60 day in home no questions asked full refund trial - just pay return shipping. Myself, I could care less to listen in a showroom. I wanna hear them in my environment and at my extended leisure without a salesman looming.

And I think that a comparison by original price is a fair one to get you in the same ball park. But I accept SQ for current cost on a value basis as a valid point as well. KEF’s win by a mile (kilometer?) based upon initial prices ($2200 vs $7000 - and those are 20 year old inflated dollars - more like $11k in today’s dollars). Granted I already own the 5k’s worth perhaps $500 (?) - now add to that a board update to 24/96 and recap them and replace my tweeters and add a pi and a I-tech to provide iPad remote control and a streamer and I’m now near or past $2200 and have a large floor stander with a bunch of warts and wires hanging off the back vs this sleek modern compact decor friendly speaker that can sit on a desk, stand, or easily on either side of a TV. And it can accept optical digital and analogue (and has a nice A/D section). And it will still probably sound better. Yes, they are that good.

(btw, A sub can be daisy chained off and controlled by the 5k’s but it has to be a Meridian digital one...)


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#273744 - 2018-02-25 17:25 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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KEF doesn’t need a streamer. Or a sub in a smaller space.


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#273745 - 2018-02-25 17:27 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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The DSP5000s are the world champion sound per monetary value full range stereo system. Now if you want all the other goodies, plus sound that challenges the 5Ks,you might get a different result. The trade off in monetary terms versus sound difference, is always a variable considered. It has been very well hashed over many times on here.


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#273746 - 2018-02-25 17:40 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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When I decided to sell my 6Ks and try analogue again with my two channel rig I auditioned the LS50W's and, like nearly everyone else, was impressed. Combined with a good sub they are terrific. But as a Roon user I frequent the Roon forum and I saw a lot of reliability problems with the LS50W's being discussed and that put me off so I went in another direction. I'm sure KEF will sort them out at some point but I didn't want to take the chance now.

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#273747 - 2018-02-25 17:46 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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Originally Posted By Nstzya
KEF doesn’t need a streamer. Or a sub in a smaller space.
OK earlier ref was MQA streamer. It’s not a small space, we’re comparing SQ.

I’m still waiting to hear what’s better for less...

No doubt KEFs are great, it’s about value/ SQ.

I give up, 5ks are bad and overpriced at £600, falling to pieces, need a sub, and a streamer.

I’ll start saving up.

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#273748 - 2018-02-25 17:48 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
It’s the value vs SQ. I think you’ll struggle to beat used 5ks plus pi, so I’m intrigued, what caught up with or overtaken for less than a pi and a pair?
I think a lot of it is the KEF coaxial driver. Add a DSP crossover with further time alignment to the physical alignment of the drivers and you approach the holy grail of point source. Not to mention DSP EQ and amp matching (similar to Meridian’s strengths - refined in comparison to 20 year old technology?) to the drivers.

The amount of sound they are able to get out of these drivers is phenomenal. The actual mid/woof active surface area is remarkably small but - similar to throwing 1000 watts at the 8 inch sub driver in my velodyne sub - the 200 watt dedicated amp direct to the mid/woof gets them hopping!


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#273749 - 2018-02-25 18:07 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
Originally Posted By Nstzya
KEF doesn’t need a streamer. Or a sub in a smaller space.


OK earlier ref was MQA streamer. It’s not a small space, we’re comparing SQ.

I’m still waiting to hear what’s better for less...

No doubt KEFs are great, it’s about value/ SQ.

I give up, 5ks are bad and overpriced at £600, falling to pieces, need a sub, and a streamer.

I’ll start saving up.



Now please don’t get your feelings hurt, Ogri. Just because something is “better” doesn’t make the other “bad”. smirk The 5k’s ARE one of the best values out there. If you have the floor space/layout to allot them. And offer opportunities to tinker/refurb/upgrade. All can be said of the Honda Civic. I still drive an Audi. wink

(Reminds me of something that happened at work. A fellow with the surname of Good hired in. I jokingly requested to be addressed by my new name, Better. 6 months later a guy named Best hired in.)


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Edited by Nstzya; 2018-02-25 18:13.
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#273751 - 2018-02-25 18:09 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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Fellow Audi driver, maybe that’s the common thread...


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#273753 - 2018-02-25 18:27 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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Perhaps Honda Civic wasn’t a fair comparison. Make it a 20 year old S-Class. I still prefer a late model Audi with built in Navigation, modern electronics, Bluetooth, DSP stereo, WiFi, 7 speed dual clutch transmission, rear camera, parking sensors, etc., etc.


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#273833 - 2018-02-27 17:25 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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The navigation in my Audi is feeble in comparison to google maps on the iPhone. The engine management system failed very early (expensive repair), I’ve not had a mishap using a rear view mirror and parking is a skill you could master with a little practise! Parking sensors are useful for some though, I’ll give you that but guess what, the sensors in our Audi failed. I honestly have more fun in the Seat when it comes to “driving”.

A to B, I’d rather save money to spend when I get there! Driving, well 110 mph through the Apenines on two wheels was fun, nice bends.

Curious how £2ks worth of 5200s compare to the KEFs?

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#273834 - 2018-02-27 17:31 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
Curious how £2ks worth of 5200s compare to the KEFs?

The LS50W is a self-contained system: a used pair Meridian 5200’s are not.


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#273836 - 2018-02-27 18:57 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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You’re right, you have to add on a £70 front end pi.

Let’s hope the KEFs stand the test of time like M kit, once they’ve sorted out their teething problems.


Did you check up adding a subwoofer to 5ks without a processor?

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#273838 - 2018-02-27 21:06 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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sleep Can we all just agree to disagree, the sniping is really tedious.


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#273842 - 2018-02-27 21:59 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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Sometimes discussions may not be to your taste or you may not agree with what’s said. I’m not sure if we should be censored to your taste though?

If you find it tedious feel free to ignore. Takes all sorts...

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#273878 - 2018-03-01 11:38 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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I came across these Kefs recently & am quite taken with the idea; they could work well in the lounge (when we move house) as a 2nd system streaming Tidal / Spotify / NAS or whatever. Them or something similar, I'd ideally have some floorstanders, preferring the aesthetic.


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#273913 - 2018-03-02 15:21 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Not'arf]
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Not that i want to stir this particular pot again (albeit it has been entertaining), but these made " What HiFi's best 30 speakers in our lifetime" article this week.

make of that what you will......

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#273924 - 2018-03-03 02:02 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
The navigation in my Audi is feeble in comparison to google maps on the iPhone. The engine management system failed very early (expensive repair), I’ve not had a mishap using a rear view mirror and parking is a skill you could master with a little practise! Parking sensors are useful for some though, I’ll give you that but guess what, the sensors in our Audi failed. I honestly have more fun in the Seat when it comes to “driving”.

A to B, I’d rather save money to spend when I get there! Driving, well 110 mph through the Apenines on two wheels was fun, nice bends.

Curious how £2ks worth of 5200s compare to the KEFs?


No sniping. Just curious. What model year is your Audi? Mine is coming up on 6 years old and I’ve not had a single problem - oil changes only. Once a year. In fact, my model year is ranked #2 in reliability of all the makes here in US. But let’s not get lost in the details. It was meant as a generalization about what was state of art 20 years ago (with aging and maintenance issues) vs current updated technology (and a warranty). For an experienced weekend mechanic tinkerer, that 20 year old S-class is the devil you know and can keep running for a million miles of luxury performance. And save $ for other stuff. I get it.

The comparison of used 5200 vs new LS50W is a very valid one. I’ve never head the 5200’s but I do have the 5000’s. These LS50W’s are uncanny for their size and paired with a sub, they are sublime. That’s all I’m saying. The form factor is the real advantage. 3200’s would be a better comparison, perhaps.

Again, what I’d really like to see is what M could do with KEF’s Uni-Q driver...


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#275575 - 2018-04-29 16:57 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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As follow up and to resurrect this thread, I sent the LS50W’s back off trial. Here’s why. It was certainly not the sound. I still encourage anyone interested to have a listen and better yet a trial. In the US, Crutchfield was very easy to deal with. Total out of pocket was $10 for a RTA shipping label. I received 60 days in home trial, free two day delivery to my door. Not an ad. Or affiliated in any way. Just a resource for those without a local dealer/other option.

The sound is still simply amazing. It was the associated “teething problems” that gave me pause. Probably the greatest problem I had was non-gapless playback from the built-in streamer. First time I had experienced it. Extemely annoying. This of course would be sidestepped by an external streamer feeding the USB in. But that defeats the all-in-one application I wanted from them. Second was the stability of the built-in streamer. It dropped frequently - both wirelessly and wired. Again, likely better with external streamer or endpoint, but not my intention. Third, the app is still a work in progress. Quite literally. They encourage feedback to development right in the app. The Tidal-App interface leaves something to be desired not as good as others, e.g. Bluesound. Also annoying was that the app would not allow iOS to iOS device transition as the Bluesound does. If I had things playing on the iPhone, I couldn’t simply open the app in my iPad and transition control.

All of these issues would be likely solved by Roon and they are an endpoint now (sort of), but I wasn’t gonna have Roon in time to try that out. For those tinkerers with external USB devices, etc, it is well worth checking into. The sound is simply astounding particularly if your application needs the form factor (size). Sound is excellent. All-in-one functionality not yet ready for primetime. I’ll watch them iron out the shortcomings and likely be back down the road. Would like to see MQA DAC’s as well, but given that they are domestic competitors, not sure that will happen? Apple Airplay2??


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#279863 - 2018-11-01 09:57 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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KEF have launched the baby brother to the LS50W, the LS50X - with half the power output of its sibling, and in smaller proportions.

Priced at £1,000 per pair.


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