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#273745 - 2018-02-25 17:27 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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The DSP5000s are the world champion sound per monetary value full range stereo system. Now if you want all the other goodies, plus sound that challenges the 5Ks,you might get a different result. The trade off in monetary terms versus sound difference, is always a variable considered. It has been very well hashed over many times on here.


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NC1: 861v4+ID40, 218, MS200 (to outdoors), DSP8000SE (upgraded). 5500VC, 5500s, Hsu Research ULS15x2, DirecTV, Oppo BD103, QNAP251, Roon
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FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
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#273746 - 2018-02-25 17:40 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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When I decided to sell my 6Ks and try analogue again with my two channel rig I auditioned the LS50W's and, like nearly everyone else, was impressed. Combined with a good sub they are terrific. But as a Roon user I frequent the Roon forum and I saw a lot of reliability problems with the LS50W's being discussed and that put me off so I went in another direction. I'm sure KEF will sort them out at some point but I didn't want to take the chance now.

Ken


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#273747 - 2018-02-25 17:46 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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Originally Posted By Nstzya
KEF doesn’t need a streamer. Or a sub in a smaller space.
OK earlier ref was MQA streamer. It’s not a small space, we’re comparing SQ.

I’m still waiting to hear what’s better for less...

No doubt KEFs are great, it’s about value/ SQ.

I give up, 5ks are bad and overpriced at £600, falling to pieces, need a sub, and a streamer.

I’ll start saving up.

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#273748 - 2018-02-25 17:48 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
It’s the value vs SQ. I think you’ll struggle to beat used 5ks plus pi, so I’m intrigued, what caught up with or overtaken for less than a pi and a pair?
I think a lot of it is the KEF coaxial driver. Add a DSP crossover with further time alignment to the physical alignment of the drivers and you approach the holy grail of point source. Not to mention DSP EQ and amp matching (similar to Meridian’s strengths - refined in comparison to 20 year old technology?) to the drivers.

The amount of sound they are able to get out of these drivers is phenomenal. The actual mid/woof active surface area is remarkably small but - similar to throwing 1000 watts at the 8 inch sub driver in my velodyne sub - the 200 watt dedicated amp direct to the mid/woof gets them hopping!


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#273749 - 2018-02-25 18:07 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
Originally Posted By Nstzya
KEF doesn’t need a streamer. Or a sub in a smaller space.


OK earlier ref was MQA streamer. It’s not a small space, we’re comparing SQ.

I’m still waiting to hear what’s better for less...

No doubt KEFs are great, it’s about value/ SQ.

I give up, 5ks are bad and overpriced at £600, falling to pieces, need a sub, and a streamer.

I’ll start saving up.



Now please don’t get your feelings hurt, Ogri. Just because something is “better” doesn’t make the other “bad”. smirk The 5k’s ARE one of the best values out there. If you have the floor space/layout to allot them. And offer opportunities to tinker/refurb/upgrade. All can be said of the Honda Civic. I still drive an Audi. wink

(Reminds me of something that happened at work. A fellow with the surname of Good hired in. I jokingly requested to be addressed by my new name, Better. 6 months later a guy named Best hired in.)


DSP5000/18, 500.2, Bluesound Node 2 (MQA)
Edited by Nstzya; 2018-02-25 18:13.
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#273751 - 2018-02-25 18:09 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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Fellow Audi driver, maybe that’s the common thread...


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#273753 - 2018-02-25 18:27 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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Perhaps Honda Civic wasn’t a fair comparison. Make it a 20 year old S-Class. I still prefer a late model Audi with built in Navigation, modern electronics, Bluetooth, DSP stereo, WiFi, 7 speed dual clutch transmission, rear camera, parking sensors, etc., etc.


DSP5000/18, 500.2, Bluesound Node 2 (MQA)
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#273833 - 2018-02-27 17:25 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Nstzya]
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The navigation in my Audi is feeble in comparison to google maps on the iPhone. The engine management system failed very early (expensive repair), I’ve not had a mishap using a rear view mirror and parking is a skill you could master with a little practise! Parking sensors are useful for some though, I’ll give you that but guess what, the sensors in our Audi failed. I honestly have more fun in the Seat when it comes to “driving”.

A to B, I’d rather save money to spend when I get there! Driving, well 110 mph through the Apenines on two wheels was fun, nice bends.

Curious how £2ks worth of 5200s compare to the KEFs?

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#273834 - 2018-02-27 17:31 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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Originally Posted By Ogri
Curious how £2ks worth of 5200s compare to the KEFs?

The LS50W is a self-contained system: a used pair Meridian 5200’s are not.


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#273836 - 2018-02-27 18:57 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: spinaltap]
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You’re right, you have to add on a £70 front end pi.

Let’s hope the KEFs stand the test of time like M kit, once they’ve sorted out their teething problems.


Did you check up adding a subwoofer to 5ks without a processor?

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#273838 - 2018-02-27 21:06 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ogri]
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sleep Can we all just agree to disagree, the sniping is really tedious.


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#273842 - 2018-02-27 21:59 Re: KEF LS50W [Re: Ratbert]
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Sometimes discussions may not be to your taste or you may not agree with what’s said. I’m not sure if we should be censored to your taste though?

If you find it tedious feel free to ignore. Takes all sorts...

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