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#269800 - 2017-11-13 21:36 Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A)
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Hi, in 2011 I bought two DVD-ROM drives (DSL-710A) for my 588 and 596 as a precaution. I wanted to be equipped when the drives had to be changed.

As now the 596 more frequently indicated "No Disc", I installed one of the spare drives. Unfortunately also "No Disc" appeared. Extensive researches on the Internet have shown that the internal firmware of the drives is completely different.

For the 596 the firmware LK18 and for the 588, LO13 is originally programmed. The two new DSL-710A are based on a firmware called LT14 of the supplier company DSL, Korea. Unfortunately I cannot change the new lasers, because the drive shaft is on the other side. Also I can't change the circuit board, because it has slightly different ribbon cables. I do not know how I can get the appropriate firmware into the new drives.

I’ve heard that the laser is a Sanyo SF-HD3S but not sure if this will work. I can’t get it in Germany either. Later DSL-720A and DRL-200 drives have been used.

For now it would be fine to change the laser, because the drive works fine. But I would like to use my “music machines” for a longer period. Does anybody have an idea how I can solve this problem?

Regards Barry_G


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#269814 - 2017-11-14 08:35 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Barry_G]
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Have you tried plugging the replacement drive into a PC to see if it reads discs?

It could be that the replacement is faulty as well.


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#269820 - 2017-11-14 09:24 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Tarik]
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You could also try flashing the firmware after the drive has been installed.


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#269874 - 2017-11-14 21:26 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Tarik]
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Yes, first I connected the device via RS232 which doesn't work. I took the new drive out and connected it to the computer. It
worked and I was able to find the volume of the wrong firmware in it.

This is what Meridian answered:
Quote:
Like you, if drives with inappropriate firmware come into our possession, we are unable to use them. Our solution was to buy all the refurbished drives we could find which were already loaded with appropriate firmware.

The program “Meridian.exe” is used to configure settings on 500 series surround processors, but it has no provision for accessing the firmware on ROM drives. Please note: the DVS firmware on the drive is completely independent from the firmware loaded to the product via the RS232 socket.

We used some batches of the DRL200 drive in place of the DSL7xx drives over the years. If it has appropriate firmware loaded, it can be used on 588 as well as 596. Some of our DRL200s had a slower eject mechanism, so they could struggle to open the drawer on 800 series players.

We are sorry that this situation has come to pass as we’d like to support all products we’ve ever made. However, commercial realities make this unfeasible.
Isn't there anybody with an idea to make a new drive work inside 596 respective 588?


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#272086 - 2018-01-20 13:26 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Barry_G]
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Finally there is a new situation:

I was able to buy two new DRL-200 drives and put them in place. I then still had problems with the RS232 connection. I bought several so called "null modem cables", they did not work. Checking them, I found out, none of them was a real null modem cable. Take care buying the correct cable. Solution was to configure a null modem cable by myself after the following scheme (thanks to Tarik):

female to female

5 4 3 2 1
.9 8 7 6

1 : not connected
2 : 3
3 : 2
4 : 6
5 : 5
6 : not connected
7 : 8
8 : 7
9 : not connected

This works on PC with a RS232 connection both using WIN 7 and WIN 10. (therefore I did not check Ubuntu)
The firmware was immediately on the devices. Everything seems to work nicely again.

I only noticed that the disc is still spinning fast when opening the drawer of the 596. Maybe someone has an idea what is the reason for this and how to influence it?

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#272089 - 2018-01-20 14:10 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Barry_G]
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If discs are still spinning fast when the tray is opened, that's surely going to cause surface abrasion as they are unsupported on that loader tray?

Would that be where Meridian's own drive firmware was required, to prevent such behaviour? I recall mention some years ago about specific drive firmware in addition to the overall player firmware. Out of interest, where did you manage to source the drives?

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#272101 - 2018-01-20 18:28 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Barry_G, Glad I could help you get up and running. Perhaps hitting stop prior to opening the drawer is the work around - not perfect but at least the player is working again.

George, The reply from Meridian further up the thread would seem to indicate that there is no special firmware that they load onto the drive, but that a certain stock drive firmware is required.

Not all DSL-710 or 720 drives will work.

A 710 drive with the LV firmware certainly works, but not sure if there is any impact or compatibility issues around the version numbers.


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#272341 - 2018-01-26 20:55 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Barry_G]
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After exchanging the drives of my 596 and 588 and updating the devices I could notice the following changes:
588 (with DRL-200) needs much longer for reading the CD's. Communication between my other Meridian stuff (see below) via Comms is not the same. To open the drawer needs to push stop first, otherwise CD's will still spin during opening. Display can't be set to track-no. only.

596 (with DRL-200) needs much longer for reading CD's. Display can't be set to track-no. only. Can't be set to standby via remote. After installing a new DSL-710A CD's were recognized much faster. But still communication with my 562V2 is not the same. Display can't be set to track-no. only. Can't be set to standby via remote.
Does anybody have previous firmware, just to test if there is an improvement in the performance?

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#272447 - 2018-01-30 08:52 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Barry_G]
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With respect to the DSL-710a drive is the drive firmware of the replacement belonging to the same family as the one you replaced?

For example, if the original was LTx.x then the new one should be LTx.x and the numbers the same or higher.


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#273067 - 2018-02-12 21:17 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Barry_G]
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Originally Posted By Barry_G
Does anybody have previous firmware, just to test if there is an improvement in the performance?
I have an early 596 still working perfectly with its original drive (fwiw I haven’t even upgraded the 596 firmware; still 1.1).

I have no idea (= haven’t tried to find out) how to check the drive type and firmware version - and have no idea how much disassembly of the 596 would be required to get at the drive. Let me know whether you think I might have something that could be useful to you and if so, what exactly I would need to do!

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#273114 - 2018-02-13 15:43 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Bayreuth]
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The information can be found in two ways:

1) With the 596 in standby repeatedly press the display key and one of the displays will be the drive type.

2) From within the Information section of the on screen menu


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#273147 - 2018-02-14 05:03 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Tarik]
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Thanks Tarik.

1)
596 1.1
(Repeatedly pressing Display does not change the info shown.)

2)
Region code
Firmware 1.1
Microcode W-2333
Drive data
DVS-LDR DSL-710A
L013

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#273154 - 2018-02-14 09:59 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Bayreuth]
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Looks like you have a DSL-710A with the LO13 drive firmware.


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#273236 - 2018-02-15 22:35 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Tarik]
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Out of curiosity, I tried this on two different 596s I have. (One of them failed to recognise a specific CD earlier this evening, so I'm trying to work out what to do about that).

first 596 (office):
596 1.89.2
Drive LV18
DVS-LDR DSL
LDR DSL-720

second 596:
596 189.2
Drive LT76
DVS-LDR DSL
LDR DSL-710

It was the DSL-720 that caught my eye. Was there another model of drive that Meridian used in these players?


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#273244 - 2018-02-16 07:25 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Zygmunt]
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I remember that there was a firmware update that was deemed non essential some time ago. I believe I updated mine at the time anyway to the 720. I expect many owners did not.


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#273245 - 2018-02-16 07:39 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A and DRL-200) [Re: Zygmunt]
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They seem to have used DSL-710, DSL-720 and the DRL-200 drives. They are interchangeable.

To user the DRL-200, you need to have installed the 1.89.2 firmware, which you have.


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#277034 - 2018-06-12 15:01 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Barry_G]
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I have a similar problem with this machine only bought it last week and it played for an hour perfectly last evening then this morning it isn’t playing ball - last evening it played flawlessly with a single error and today it won’t play anything.

I have read old posts about the drives in this machine and people seem to be saying you can replace the drive with the DVD rom drives. Please excuse my ignorance but a standard DVD ROM is rectangular in shape and these look completely different?

Can anyone suggest a cheap drive I can buy to replace the following?

I’ve only just bought it as well off of gumtree - allegedly unused in a loft!!! , an amazing find which had never seen a disc in original box complete!!!. Came in a cheap banana box with bin liners for company and no protection. When pressing display in standby all I get is 1.21 and in information in the menu I get:

Firmware - 1.21
Microcode - W-2411
Drive Data DVS-LDR DSL - 710A
LT32

I’d love to get it working again it sounded really great for an hour last evening!


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#277036 - 2018-06-12 15:12 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Awb]
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As per my previous post, there are only three drives which are guaranteed to work. Those are the DSL-710, DSL-720 and the DRL-200 drives.

When I went though this process, I searched this site and could not find a definitive answer to which other standard DVD drives worked from PATA to SATA with converters. Different people had different levels of success and some solutions required brackets to be made or the 596/8 to be altered.

Last time I checked, Meridian had limited stock of the drives available.

I would recommend that you update the firmware first as the DRL-200 will only work with the latest firmware.


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#277050 - 2018-06-12 18:28 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Tarik]
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I have looked at DSL-710 drives on eBay which match mine but are on firmware FT 7.9 my current FW is 7.32 would the drive firmware make this I’m compatible perhaps?.

If I get my machine updated to the firmware 1.89 would that increase the FW version of the FT to be compatible. Can’t believe I bought a DVD player and only had it running for two CDs - that’s £100 a disc!!.


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#277051 - 2018-06-12 18:38 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Awb]
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The Meridian firmware does not update the drive firmware.

There was a thread about drive firmware I'll see if I can find it.

I'm aware that not all drive firmware will work even for the correct drive model.


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#277056 - 2018-06-12 19:17 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Tarik]
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So the firmware of the DVD ROM drive is stored on the drive itself possibly. Does that mean I can install the same drive but with newer drive firmware if for example I stay on Meridian firmware 1.21 on the machine itself?

I guess what I’m asking is will Meridian firmware 1.3 allow a ROM drive running 7.9 like it currently allowed the factory fitted 7.32 ROM drive?

Thanks again.


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#277058 - 2018-06-12 20:26 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Awb]
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Yes the DVD ROM firmware is on the drive electronics and is no way related to the Meridian firmware.

As previously mentioned, I would update the Meridian firmware to the latest version.

I think your factory fitted drive has a later revision of firmware (7.32) than the one you are looking at (7.9)

If you are buying from anyone other than Meridian via a PP, then there is always a risk that the drive will not work.


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#277076 - 2018-06-13 06:47 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Awb]
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If the drive is still physically intact (i.e. powers up), then it can be connected to a PC, where there are utilities to find and download the firmware from the faulty drive. This downloaded firmware can then be uploaded to the new drive.

Now, all this is good in principle, assuming that there are no hardware modifications that depend on the different firmware.

What I would do, would be to download the firmware from both drives, so in case there were problems, the firmware could be put back onto the drive.

Of course all this assumes that you know a little about PCs and have an older PC with IDE interface to connect to the DVD drives.

I've kept a copy of the firmware from my old Meridian 800 DSL-710 drive in case I ever source another working drive.


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#277080 - 2018-06-13 09:19 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: swpnt]
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Can I ask what the piece of software is that will extract the firmware for safe keeping please?

I had a very late night formatting a Dell mini desktop I’ve had for a while for Windows 7, installed the Meridian Flash tool and awaiting this Null modem cable ordered last evening (If anyone would have told me last week I would be doing all this after buying this machine) I’d probably have not bought it! But it does look the part even though it’s doing zilch.

The drive replacements are quite expensive I’ve found those folks who sell them on the auction site must have realised that Meridian fans are buying them and increased prices as a result.


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#277118 - 2018-06-14 20:46 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Barry_G]
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I have read through the thread and the chap in Germany seems to have success but it doesn’t explain if he had to remove the firmware from the new drive and replaced that with the firmware from the damaged drive.

Can I ask if the firmware on the drive itself will be accepted by the player (whatever firmware is on the ROM drive)?

Reading the Meridian section confuses this issue, as I read it that if the firmware is different on the DSL drive then it won’t be accepted. Any advice?


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#277119 - 2018-06-14 21:28 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Awb]
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If you replace like with like (i.e. DVS-720 with DVS-720), the unit should work. It will just be a case of functionality... For example, it could be that you need to press stop before ejecting a disk as otherwise the motor will keep the disk spinning.

The specific drive firmware seems to control the finer details as such.

There seems to be some further debate on Linn and Arcam forums as their units used the same drives (but different firmware).

I've migrated from a DVS-720A in a G98 to a DRL-200 and the unit works fine but you must press Stop before you eject, otherwise a spinning disk is ejected and gets scratched up. I've got a Toshiba drive in my 800v2 as this is the only drive I could find that worked. It supports CD/DVD and even DVD-A but there is no display on the LCD to show track / time details.

If you want full functionality as Meridian intended, you need to replace like for like (including firmware versions).

Good luck.


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#277319 - 2018-06-19 17:20 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Barry_G]
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Well this is a confusing one I’ve updated the Meridian firmware to 1.89 around an hour ago and since I’ve done this the drive plays CDs (only played one so far so may be early days), but it is playing them - don’t get it really?

If anyone has any ideas as to why this should suddenly play a CD after upgrading firmware, it wouldn’t play any before and it’s now playing ok? Fingers crossed I’ll let people know if it keeps playing them in a couple of days.

Playing R.E.M. “New adventures in HIFI” this DVD player is certainly doing that!


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#277334 - 2018-06-19 19:09 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Awb]
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Will it play DVDs as well?

If it does I wonder if it is a PSU issue?

Fingers crossed for you that it continues to work.

If not, look at replacing the PSU and changing the caps on the PSU board.


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#277336 - 2018-06-19 19:48 Re: Repair of 596 and 588 (DSL-710A) [Re: Tarik]
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I don’t play DVDs on it, but it’s playing all the CDs I am putting in it without event - quite a surprise to be honest.


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