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#269615 - 2017-11-09 11:14 Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers
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Hi can anyone advise me please.
Can I set up a stereo pair of DSP5000C speakers if one is 24/96 and the other 18bit, would I encounter any problems?
Any help would be much appreciated, thank you.


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#269616 - 2017-11-09 11:15 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Flagooner]
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What are you connecting them to? They should work but I believe both will run as 18bit.


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#269617 - 2017-11-09 11:20 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Ratbert]
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Connecting to TV digital stereo signal.


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#269623 - 2017-11-09 11:54 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Flagooner]
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They will both work so long as the signal from the TV is limited to a maximum rate of 48KHz.

22 bits is the maximum a DSP loudspeaker with 18-bit DACs can accept on their digital inputs. [Ref 518 manual Page 11]

Depending on the firmware version of the 24/96 speaker you may get a strange effect as firmware v5.11 unified latency to 7.5ms. Not sure whether it would be 7.5ms in the 18 bit speaker but suspect not.


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#269624 - 2017-11-09 12:24 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Tarik]
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Hi Tarik,
Thank you for your reply.
What do you mean by strange effect?
I have the 24/96 running at the moment and it sounds fine and to be quite honest I don't find any missing instruments with one speaker unless I play an upgraded mono recording such as old fifties music.


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#269625 - 2017-11-09 12:39 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Flagooner]
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I am speculating and others more knowledgeable than me will be along in due course, but....

Think of latency as the delay between the signal being presented on the input of the speaker and the sound coming out. If the latency of the speakers is different when the signal is presented on both inputs at the same time, it would come out as sound at different times, albeit a few milliseconds apart, on each speaker. I assume this would have an impact on staging and stereo imaging.

Effectively you have created a stereo pair which are very slightly different.


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#269630 - 2017-11-09 15:01 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Tarik]
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7.5ms is roughly 2.5m in distance, in other words, the speaker with the delay would sound like it is 2.5m further away from you than it actually is.


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#269632 - 2017-11-09 15:09 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Tarik]
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I suppose also that the master speaker, which gets the sound first, will not wait until the slave has the signal in perfect timing. So both speakers are never perfectly synced?


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#269633 - 2017-11-09 15:25 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Flagooner]
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That "latency time" is only relevant on the front speakers and only then, when you have both types 24/96 and 18bit at the fronts like L 96/24 and R 18 bit.

But it's easy to compensate with a Meridian Processer.
You just delay the 18 bit speaker some ms (milliseconds) as calculated for you in the post before.
So the 18 bit DSP needs a subtraction from the real physical distance (then the speaker get delayed) or
the 96/24 an addition to the real physical distance or a mix of both methods if you like.

Important is only that you add 2.5m so both speakers play at the same time.
If you have a C speaker, follow that logic or just post here more details about your application, like stereo or MCh and the current physical distances.
And which speaker is where placed of course.

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#269634 - 2017-11-09 15:42 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: RobertW]
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RobertW is absolutely correct but his approach demands that a processor is involved. I believe we are considering a simple two channel system with a single stereo source? And, if memory serves, the two speakers are an 18-bit DSP5000C and a putative 24/96 DSP5000C?


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#269649 - 2017-11-09 22:05 Re: Mixing 24/96 and 18bit DSP speakers [Re: Gianni]
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Reread the original post, I only find "logic" that a processor have to be included if there a center speaker exist.
So MAYBE, the center speaker is different to the main or L/R speakers.
So the time differences change the deepness of the stage, but 7.5 ms is to much to much in my understanding.
But with a processor it’s not a problem to compensate that.

Speculating a pure 2 channel system and have two different main speakers, a time difference means mainly a balance shift. So without a processor there are only two ways to compensate that:
1) Change the physical distance..
2) insert electronic that can delay a digital stream

So 1) sounds unpracticable for me and 2) could be done, but what the overall best solution here?
So I would either not buy the speaker, or search for a cheap speaker upgrade when this is available somewhere, or much better to use a cheap processor like the 565 or the 568.

But a correct signature will help here, at least me.


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