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#267755 - 2017-09-12 19:48 AppleTV 4K
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While the new AppleTV 4K is UHD capable, it also supports FLAC.

Unfortunately, the tech specs appears to indicate that the ATV4K is still crippled by 16/48.


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#267814 - 2017-09-15 12:24 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: spinaltap]
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You may be right but I didn’t see that limit in the Audio specs.

It says less than 48kHz in the video sections.

I’m tempted to get one.


- Fiddler (IMHO)

If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument.
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#267822 - 2017-09-15 16:00 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: Fiddler]
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Me too. Let me know what else you learn or find when you get it.

I was told, somewhat recently, that Apple TV 1s have a 96K audio chip, and, can potentially pass on an unfolded MQA stream from Tidal. I have four 1s (one of which is jail broken) I may hookup them up to TVs and the AV receiver (the new one) on the lower level of my house to get cheap Roon zones which can be grouped.

I wonder if jail broken is required before it can be used with Roon?


James
NC1: 861v4+ID40, 218, MS200 (to outdoors), DSP8000SE (upgraded). 5500VC, 5500s, Hsu Research ULS15x2, DirecTV, Oppo BD103, QNAP251, Roon
NC2-see FL 2 with Triad Silver Speakers

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FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
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#267927 - 2017-09-21 18:44 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: Mtns]
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I hope its true that Apple have promised to add Dolby Atmos to the new Apple Tv even if M don't have a solution for it without going 3rd party . Apple's layers-of-an-onion approach to covering all the tech bases can be just as annoying as M's glacially slow catch up to modern formats .

~M~


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#267931 - 2017-09-21 19:51 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: Meridialien]
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Would be a great Kaleidescape Strato alternative if they allow full 4K downloads onto NAS drive from iTunes...


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#267936 - 2017-09-21 22:20 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: spinaltap]
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24/48 isn’t the only issue

Sounds terribly familiar and terribly Apple all over again.
Verge Apple TV Review

I was looking forward to it but after reading this I may wait.

The only reason I want it at the moment is for access to CBS All access for the new Star Trek Discovery series. My LG TV has great NetFlix and Amazon built in.


- Fiddler (IMHO)

If you think listening to music is fun, try learning an instrument.
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#268028 - 2017-09-26 12:35 Apple TV 4K
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I can't determine if this 4k does what the 1st gen does in terms of 96K audio chip AQ based on the below:


Video Formats

H.264/HEVC SDR video up to 2160p, 60 fps, Main/Main 10 profile

HEVC Dolby Vision (Profile 5)/HDR10 (Main 10 profile) up to 2160p

H.264 Baseline Profile level 3.0 or lower with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps per channel, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats

MPEG-4 video up to 2.5 Mbps, 640 by 480 pixels, 30 fps, Simple profile with AAC-LC audio up to 160 Kbps, 48kHz, stereo audio in .m4v, .mp4, and .mov file formats


Audio Formats

HE-AAC (V1), AAC (up to 320 Kbps), protected AAC (from iTunes Store), MP3 (up to 320 Kbps), MP3 VBR, Apple Lossless, FLAC, AIFF, and WAV; AC-3 (Dolby Digital 5.1) and E-AC-3 (Dolby Digital Plus 7.1 surround sound)

i don't use ATV for watching movies or anything other than lossless streaming into my HD621.

thx!

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#268191 - 2017-10-01 18:22 Re: Apple TV 4K [Re: _M_]
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Will the 4K / 2.0 HDMI work with a HD621?


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#268202 - 2017-10-02 07:30 Re: Apple TV 4K [Re: Struttmaster]
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The HD621 can pass some 4K media but it won't be HDCP 2.2 compliant so you will need the new Meridian switching box.


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#268205 - 2017-10-02 12:22 Re: Apple TV 4K [Re: Cliff.]
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Thanks Cliff


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Family Room: Allo digi, 568.2mm, 598, 3100's, REL SW
Upstairs: SBT, Explorer2
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#268219 - 2017-10-02 17:38 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: Simon Mirren]
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Originally Posted By Simon Mirren
Would be a great Kaleidescape Strato alternative if they allow full 4K downloads onto NAS drive from iTunes...
4K is streaming only. Downloads prohibited unfortunately.

~M~


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#269431 - 2017-10-30 08:27 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: spinaltap]
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Hello

I have currently the apple TV 4th gen, and when I stream music (tune in, youtube etc..) connected to my HD621 and G65, I only have dolby pro logic sound, looks like I cannot send the sound to be processed by the my G65

am I doing something wrong in the settings ?
if the ATV cannot allow my G65 to process the sound, do you know if the new ATV 4K will ? and if I will get better sound ? (over 16bits)

thank you


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#269432 - 2017-10-30 09:46 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: Sapiens]
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Apple TV converts everything to 48k, which the Meridian products see as 'film' signals so will load up a film preset.

You could add a phantom source that selects either stereo, direct, Trifield etc.


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#269433 - 2017-10-30 10:18 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: gIzzE]
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Despite its supposedly ‘auto’ option, I find that you always have to set the sound output menu to your particular requirements.


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#269434 - 2017-10-30 10:58 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: spinaltap]
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humm, I have the feeling that the ATV is useless


G65, 598DP, HD621, DSP5200SE Front LR&C, cable TV
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#269438 - 2017-10-30 13:32 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: Sapiens]
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If you don’t have a Smart TV, the AppleTV is terrific.

However, if you do have a Smart TV (at least in the UK), the abundance of integral apps is increasingly making the latest AppleTV an irrelevance.

If Apple hadn’t continued their existing policy of crippling its audio output capabilities the ATV would have been an essential audio streamer.


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#273207 - 2018-02-15 12:13 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: spinaltap]
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I recently replaced my ATV3.1 with a ‘refurbished’ ATV4K. Whenever I’ve purchased an Apple Refurb product it’s always arrived in a plain white box. This is the first time that such a refurb product has arrived in a retail box.

I plan on buying a 4K television at some point, but the ATV4K works perfectly well on my 720p Plasma. What’s more, previously ‘filmic’ quality television programmes (ATV3) now present themselves in true ‘broadcast video’ quality on the ATV4K. Amazon’s ‘The Grand Tour’ is one such example of this difference (in studio footage).

The point is that you don’t have to buy the ‘standard’ ATV4 if you don’t have a 4K television. The ATV4K sales literature/manual is somewhat ambiguous on this issue.

Also, while PLEX has stopped support for my ageing ReadyNAS, the free Infuse software has no such problem in remotely streaming content to my ATV4K.


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#273229 - 2018-02-15 19:44 Re: AppleTV 4K [Re: spinaltap]
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I hope the 4K Apple is better than the 4K Amazon Fire I have.

The picture has some really bad artefacts (I run it via a HD621 into an old Pioneer PDP-5000EX) even after adding a HDFury to get them HDCP to work properly.


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