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#266981 - 2017-08-18 14:30 Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs
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I have a friend for whom I set up a Meridian system for music and movies comprising Oppo BDP-93/Mac Mini/568.2MM/5Ks (24/96).

I was selling her on Roon/Tidal and she was pretty excited about MQA. I know she'll only get first unfold at best on legacy DSPs, but in my experience with 7200.2 with the 818 that's still nice.

However, what's the current cheapest way to get that first unfold with Roon feeding MQA from Tidal? I take it the MS200 is still not replaced with an MQA compatible version? Does this mean USB/SPDIF converter from Mac Mini direct to 5Ks would be the easiest way?

Thanks.


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#266983 - 2017-08-18 14:52 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: 3dit0r]
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You need a MQA decoder DAC downstream such as the Explorer2 or Dragonfly (low priced options which come to mind, from the buzz when it was first available). The MS200 can serve as an endpoint.


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NC1: 861v4+ID40, 218, MS200 (to outdoors), DSP8000SE (upgraded). 5500VC, 5500s, Hsu Research ULS15x2, DirecTV, Oppo BD103, QNAP251, Roon
NC2-see FL 2 with Triad Silver Speakers

FL1: G61R, 218, DSP8000SEs, 5500HC, DSP5000s, DirecTv, Oppo BD103, QNAP469, Roon
FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
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#266985 - 2017-08-18 15:00 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: Mtns]
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If you have legacy DSP's then the MS200 and the Tidal decode should be all you need, no specific MQA DAC required.


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#266988 - 2017-08-18 16:21 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: 3dit0r]
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This is quite tricky actually.

When Roon does finally perform the first MQA decode, the MS200 will be good solution offering Meridian comms integration but a SpeakerLink comms breakout cable is needed (you can use optical into the 568.2MM). This would be my preferred option if I didn't need to zone-link to a non-Meridian system.

If you do not need comms integration (system on/off via Roon itself), then you can forego the comms cable.

There are many other options now if you are technically savvy. RaspberryPi plus one of the "Hi-Fi" SDPIF boards could be an option, which provides the bonus of being able to zone link with any other RAAT-based zone.


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#266990 - 2017-08-18 16:43 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: Mtns]
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Originally Posted By Mtns
You need a MQA decoder DAC downstream such as the Explorer2 or Dragonfly ...
Those are DACs, though and this is into DSPs...


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#266991 - 2017-08-18 16:44 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
If you have legacy DSP's then the MS200 and the Tidal decode should be all you need, no specific MQA DAC required.
She will be using Roon, though, not the Tidal interface, as we need to combine her own library too.


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#266992 - 2017-08-18 16:50 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
This is quite tricky actually.

When Roon does finally perform the first MQA decode, the MS200 will be good solution offering Meridian comms integration but a SpeakerLink comms breakout cable is needed (you can use optical into the 568.2MM). This would be my preferred option if I didn't need to zone-link to a non-Meridian system.

If you do not need comms integration (system on/off via Roon itself), then you can forego the comms cable.

There are many other options now if you are technically savvy. RaspberryPi plus one of the "Hi-Fi" SDPIF boards could be an option, which provides the bonus of being able to zone link with any other RAAT-based zone.
Thanks, that's very useful clarification. I didn't know Roon didn't unfold MQA from Tidal yet (it's irrelevant on my system due to 818).

So basically we'd have to wait for that to happen first. Any idea how long that might be?

Subsequently, I'll suggest an MS200. Don't know whether she'll need breakout for comms - won't be turning on/off through Roon, but switching source and volume would be useful.

If she doesn't want the cost of that, would USB/SPDIF direct from the Mac Mini (which would also be Roon core/store) to 5Ks work?


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#266994 - 2017-08-18 16:58 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: 3dit0r]
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Originally Posted By 3dit0r
So basically we'd have to wait for that to happen first. Any idea how long that might be?
I can't comment on that, I'm afraid.

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would USB/SPDIF direct from the Mac Mini (which would also be Roon core/store) to 5Ks work?
Yes. Actually, the Mac's optical into the 568 is probably the best starting point (as long as the zone is set up to use it in Exclusive Mode).


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#266996 - 2017-08-18 18:23 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: VirusKiller]
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Respectfully, I understand you can't disclose what you know. Is the answer the same to the second question "do you know"? I assume you do, or the answer to question one would be "I don't know" versus "No comment".

The one thing that is sure is-until it happens, the VC common owner has all the flexibility to reverse, speed up or slow the now contemplated streams of cash flow, between Roon, MQA, VC, and Tidal. Until Roon gets access at a known cost, it will certainly be perceived at risk of disadvantage vs MQA where Bob has gone.

It is reasonable to presume that the independent owners in Roon are not holding out, to get a better price for direct access to decode MQA streams. It would be more likely Roon wants flexibility not to be tied to Tidal exclusively. The common owner holds most if not all of the keys.


James
NC1: 861v4+ID40, 218, MS200 (to outdoors), DSP8000SE (upgraded). 5500VC, 5500s, Hsu Research ULS15x2, DirecTV, Oppo BD103, QNAP251, Roon
NC2-see FL 2 with Triad Silver Speakers

FL1: G61R, 218, DSP8000SEs, 5500HC, DSP5000s, DirecTv, Oppo BD103, QNAP469, Roon
FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
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#266997 - 2017-08-18 19:07 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
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So basically we'd have to wait for that to happen first. Any idea how long that might be?
I can't comment on that, I'm afraid.
Completely understand. Are you able to say if it's just a question of when, rather than if? Just makes it hard to plan, or recommend, Roon as a solution in this case without knowing.
Originally Posted By 3dit0r
would USB/SPDIF direct from the Mac Mini (which would also be Roon core/store) to 5Ks work?
Originally Posted By VirusKiller
Yes. Actually, the Mac's optical into the 568 is probably the best starting point (as long as the zone is set up to use it in Exclusive Mode).
Thanks that's useful to know - so can I take that to mean that, once the first unfold has occurred, it doesn't really matter whether going direct to DSPs or through a processor like the 568?


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#267000 - 2017-08-18 19:24 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: 3dit0r]
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The way I look at it is that once the first unfold is done you have a studio file at the input of your processor. That would be the best source you can expect to get and should sound great.

Clearly you can always get better with SE speakers, further rendering and the like, but you have to look at the cost, convenience and diminishing returns.

I am really looking forward to what ROON MQA decoding will bring to my main system via an MS200.

Just my outlook, Chris


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#267003 - 2017-08-18 19:47 Re: Cheapest current MQA compatible endpoint for legacy DSPs [Re: 3dit0r]
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You could use a 218's analog outputs into the 568.2 analog inputs. That would give you fully decoded/rendered MQA into the processor.

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