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#266135 - 2017-07-19 07:53 Meridian 271 and 251
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I have not seen any threads about this upcoming Products:

251 Powered Zone Controller
All of the functionality of the Meridian 218 Zone Controller with 2x70W output.

271 Digital Theatre Post Processor (16+4 channels)
Connects analogue SSP to your DSP speakers with variations for digital connection from Trinnov or Datasat.

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#266136 - 2017-07-19 08:08 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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What's your source for these interesting new products?


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#266137 - 2017-07-19 08:18 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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The Swedish distributor new pricelist.

It's in Swedish but it translates to:
Originally Posted By 251 Integrated Zone Amplifier with Sooloos/MQA Endpoint
ME2251 Same functions as 218 but with a 2x70w built in amplifier.

Originally Posted By 271 Digital Theatre Post Processor (16+4 channels)
ME2271_ For use with third party processor to DSP speakers.
ME2271D Same as above, with digital inputs for Datasat processor.
ME2271T Same as above, with digital inputs for Trinnov processor
And on Meridian Australia Facebook.

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#266138 - 2017-07-19 08:24 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Thanks. Wow!


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#266139 - 2017-07-19 08:30 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Thanks for that news smile
To all officials here, is there any infos available?


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#266140 - 2017-07-19 08:46 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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Implicit in this information is that Meridian will not be producing their own successor processors.


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#266141 - 2017-07-19 08:52 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: spinaltap]
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3rd party support doesn't rule out replacement processors, just more support for the custom install trade.


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#266142 - 2017-07-19 08:55 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: spinaltap]
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I think there are some very significant clues here regarding M's self-confidence and future direction.

M have stood by their DSP USP but solved the third party issue so offering a path into M for "conventional" system owners; I don't think that excludes their own processor.

I wonder if this news was meant to leak out...?


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#266143 - 2017-07-19 09:03 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Syles]
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Originally Posted By Syles
3rd party support doesn't rule out replacement processors, just more support for the custom install trade.
Agreed, but I think it's less likely that the 861v9 is coming anytime soon.


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#266144 - 2017-07-19 09:05 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Yes, they do seem to going back to a 2 channel model


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#266145 - 2017-07-19 10:49 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Originally Posted By Jolt
Whilst that link is still there, no reference to it is made from the main account that I can see. I assume it has been taken down, and thus, this post will go soon too.


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#266149 - 2017-07-19 12:05 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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This?


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#266150 - 2017-07-19 12:08 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Rolski]
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4K HDMI?

New streaming hardware?

I think the "Atmos can now be achieved simply" does point to a swerve by Meridian though.


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#266152 - 2017-07-19 12:30 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Rolski]
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Yes but no link that I can see from their Facebook account, just the link posted earlier on here. In otherwords, it currently looks to be a zombie link only referenced from here.


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#266153 - 2017-07-19 12:38 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Ian]
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Hi Ian,

It is not a zombie link it is there, goto Meridian Audio Australia and scroll down a few pages (circa 10 page-downs on my PC) till you get to the 2nd of June 2017.

This topic is also still here wink


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#266154 - 2017-07-19 12:55 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Carl]
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Ah got it - 1st June. How come it took 6 weeks for someone to stumble on that. HH'ers are normally very eagle eyed and keen to post - would have thought that Robert would have raised it here wink Or doesn't positive news travel so fast...


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#266158 - 2017-07-19 13:20 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Ian]
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It is quite surprising that no one on here posted sooner... Looking at the timing, I think Robert posted on FB after reading about it on here.

A 4K HDMI solution has been rumoured for a while, but it really good to see that it's actually on the cards now, pity it not on the new pricelist but it can't be long away if M are posting about it.

I think many are going to be interested in the 217 ... I'm particularly interested in the 217T with the digital inputs.

I wonder when the datasheets will be made available.


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#266163 - 2017-07-19 14:27 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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I just became a member so I could start this topic... I have known about the 271 for sometime now and was VERY amazed that there was no thread about it.

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#266164 - 2017-07-19 14:33 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Thanks for the heads up and welcome to the forum


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#266165 - 2017-07-19 14:35 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Carl]
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Jolt discovered that, I only make a reply on facebook after reading jolt post here.

Anyway very surprising nothing to find on M homepage or media center or somewhere else.


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#266166 - 2017-07-19 14:44 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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If the 271 is an 16+4 channel post processor to the Trinnov... I wonder if you have an 24 or 32-channel Trinnov if you can use the extra channels for non Meridian speakers and subs?

To have the 271 processor do a base layer of DSP speakers and then use the extra channels on the Trinnov for height/Atmos and subs seems like a good solution.

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#266167 - 2017-07-19 14:47 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Here's wishing M would work with Trinnov and get their tech into the 861... to keep it in the M family...

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#266169 - 2017-07-19 14:57 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: _M_]
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#266175 - 2017-07-19 16:40 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Originally Posted By Jolt
If the 271 is an 16+4 channel post processor to the Trinnov... I wonder if you have an 24 or 32-channel Trinnov if you can use the extra channels for non Meridian speakers and subs?
Wouldn't surprise me if you can use two of these things. With the DSP320 in-ceiling/in-wall going for £1000, a 32-channel Trinnov/Meridian DSP system is actually extremely affordable (in a high-end context).


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#266176 - 2017-07-19 17:46 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: VirusKiller]
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An extremely affordable £100k system wink. I wonder if it's possible to use two 271s with a Trinnov?


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#266177 - 2017-07-19 18:07 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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The Altitude 32 "only" have 16-channels Digital AES3 out over DB25 so probably not.

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#266178 - 2017-07-19 18:49 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
Ah got it - 1st June. How come it took 6 weeks for someone to stumble on that. HH'ers are normally very eagle eyed and keen to post - would have thought that Robert would have raised it here wink Or doesn't positive news travel so fast...
All the cool people😎 who effectively stay on top of stuff went elsewhere for action. To a sister site if you will. Some took their obsession and moderation😜 Hope this opens up a spate of interesting discussions from MQA CDs, new M product offerings, etc.

I wondered who the nameless math stars were at Meridian to write codec software now tha Rhonda, Bob and Richard are elsewhere at partners if you will. Maybe a part of the answer is at Trinnov and DataSat.

It seems this may be a key to the most commercially lucrative strategy they could possibly adopt, given VC common control of M, MQA, and Roon, and synergy possibilities presented. It explains to me the new low price point introductions (down to the Explorer 2, Prime, etc). It continues the build up to a custom installer line which now can include DSPs sold by the bushel, as inwalls and inceilings. An inspirational pair of SEs (with 218) will get a shot in front, doing double duty for a 2 channel top of the line presentation. This can be improved with an 808 or 818 in on the package. The UltraDac and new 2 channel (I think) Amp is then the ticket into the price no object rooms decorated with Sono Fabers, Wilsons, Rockports, Magicos, etc.

The ability to play in both spheres with elagant simple just works whole house distribution and control and 4K video. I just wonder what the hell they have been doing all this time. Just kidding. Very exciting reading the tea leaves.


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#266179 - 2017-07-19 19:11 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Mtns]
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For what it's worth, I think the 271 is a really positive thing. One of the main draw's to Meridian is their DSP speakers. One of their main issues is the lack of support for modern AV standards. This is the bridge between the two.

It will be interesting to see what the 271 actually does. Is it literally a 20 channel DAC with volume control? I would imagine you'd want to control levels and distances from the main processor.

I assume that the Trinnov and Datasat versions take in digital input from those devices to save the DAC/ADC step.

Of course, I guess it makes an M cinema even more expensive...


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#266184 - 2017-07-19 20:46 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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The 271 wouldn't be a DAC - the DACs are in the DSPs. Could be as streamlined as a bunch of digital inputs that all respond to M comms and send volume and any other requested commands to the speakers. I would imagine 1 unit has "x" number of inputs and they can be ganged.

Seems the non-branded one may be analog inputs. We'll see.

My assumptions only. Will be fun to find out the whole truth.

John


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#266185 - 2017-07-19 21:07 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: JohnMcElfresh]
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What I mean is, if you have the analogue one, then there is a DAC stage in the non-Meridian processor, and then an ADC stage in the 271 to put the audio in the right format for your M DSP speakers. this was the DAC/ADC stage I was referring to.

Presumably the Trinnov and Datasat versions support whatever crypto the digital audio comes in on, thus avoiding that DAC/ADC step.

Do Trinnov and Datasat encrypt their digital audio? I don't know...


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#266186 - 2017-07-19 21:18 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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No, it is not encrypted in the Trinnov, or Theta digital. I would assume the same would be true for Datasat.


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#266187 - 2017-07-19 21:20 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Hmm.. are those devices outputting audio in maximum frequency and bit-depth? I thought that was verboten, hence why M created MHR? (I know they tout other benefits too).


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#266188 - 2017-07-19 21:36 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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The Trinnov does channel level balancing in the digital domain. The Theta Digital does not alter the digital outputs at all. In the case of the Theta Digital I have done the channel balancing via the control system. The 271 from what I understand will handle the channel level balancing. We will have to wait for more info to be sure.


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#266196 - 2017-07-20 07:54 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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The 271 is a welcome addition to the Meridian DSP eco-system! Good news for those that can't wait for an 800 M MCH pre/pro but enjoy the M DSP experience and may upgrade later if M is putting forward a compelling immersive audio proposition.

I still look forward to the MQA cards for the 861 series this year. smile


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#266197 - 2017-07-20 08:22 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Help-Iam confused here-
The roadmap or target is not clear for me here.

218 gives MQA on 2 channel and a new MCh MQA card comes for the 861.
And still rumors about a 861v9 so why a v9 then ?
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271 is either
Originally Posted By 271 Digital Theatre Post Processor (16+4 channels)
ME2271_ For use with third party processor to DSP speakers.
ME2271D Same as above, with digital inputs for Datasat processor.
ME2271T Same as above, with digital inputs for Trinnov processor

Does that mean its a 16+4 processor from Meridian that have comes in two versions---
1) ME2271D for Datasat processor connections
2) ME2271T for Trinnov processor connections

OR its just a interface box-not a 16+4 channels processor-
that have the suitable connections between Meridian DSP speakers and either Datasat or Trinnov processors ??

Robert


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#266199 - 2017-07-20 08:34 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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The 271 is an interface between a 3rd party pre/pro and M DSP speakers.


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#266200 - 2017-07-20 08:44 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Crion]
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Originally Posted By Crion
271 is an interface between a 3rd party pre/pro and M DSP speakers.
Yes that makes sense to me, but why then that headline ??
Originally Posted By 271 Digital Theatre Post Processor (16+4 channels)
That's my confusions... thanks to make that clear smile


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#266201 - 2017-07-20 09:28 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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Robert, we simply don't know yet and probably won't until CEDIA (in September).


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#266203 - 2017-07-20 10:38 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: VirusKiller]
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The unusual nature of the release of this New Product Information is a concern.
It appears to be a development of the "Teaser" method used by Meridian in the past. However as it would seem that all distributors / partners / custom installers have been informed at least some 8 weeks ago of 251 and 271, it took a Swedish company and Meridian Australia to break ranks publicly and share the information with previous customers who have shown considerable brand loyalty over many years.

If there was no Meridian embargo on the release of this information then why not use their own web site and create a coordinated product launch?

Lack of resource or just incomprehensible?

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#266204 - 2017-07-20 10:48 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Hector]
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I'm interested to know how the +4 channels are handled. Since, as pointed out above, the Trinnov has only 16 digital outputs, I assume these are analogue inputs on the 217? Also, are they just passthrough channels for analogue speakers or are there corresponding outputs available to Meridian DSP speakers. I expect we won't have answers for several weeks.


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#266221 - 2017-07-21 02:00 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Ha, well done Meridian!

This is an impressive solution. I wonder if you can mix and match. Though I will note that using large DSP's somewhat defeats the strength of the Trinnov and its ability to control separate channels in 2x/3x way speakers.


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#266255 - 2017-07-22 07:58 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Yetis]
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Anyone know if 271 has support for legacy comms, or is it just SpeakerLink. Looking to build system with DSP33s.

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#266297 - 2017-07-23 18:25 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Linnasak]
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I'd be surprised if it had legacy comms.

Easy enough to get SL to legacy cables though, so no issue really.


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#266330 - 2017-07-25 14:56 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: dpstjp]
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No legacy comms.

Stackable for up to 60 channels.

SpeakerLink in for output to front left and right only (MQA via 218, 818, 808)

Rack mount design like the 258.

Web page configuration

IP controllable.

Full SpeakerLink comms for MSR+ control


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#266335 - 2017-07-25 19:27 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Mel_Moon]
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I think a very positive development!


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#266336 - 2017-07-25 19:43 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: JerryL]
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271 looks like a great piece of kit.


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#266350 - 2017-07-26 11:18 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: VirusKiller]
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a great hedge, no doubt.

too bad M have been unable to step up their 861 program and get back to the bleeding edge forefront.

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#266357 - 2017-07-26 14:36 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: _M_]
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I'll agree that the 271 looks great but I do fear that this puts an 861v.next even further into the future. M looks to be concentrating on 2-channel and the custom install market right now. Maybe it's time to think about replacing my HD621/861v8 with a Trinnov/271 combo

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#266397 - 2017-07-27 20:41 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Gparrington]
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Plug what you got including the HD621 (yes!) into the 271 and you might find it's all you need or want.


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#266427 - 2017-07-29 02:21 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Mtns]
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I must ask. How many people do we really think will go the analog route? Option 1-2 seem a little absurd, give the brand, etc.

Seems to me there is now an opportunity for a slim line processor, that is made specifically for this option, with either a DBS-25 or AES digital RJ-45 connection. Do we know if the respective inputs are encrypted, or can other manufacturers join the fun by adding similar outputs?

I suppose M could add an HDMI processor box and have their own first box some day. Though I suspect the lack of a dedicated MHR connection suggests otherwise? The description says MHR, but don't see what is "MHR"?

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#266431 - 2017-07-29 10:15 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Yetis]
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The digital inputs of the 271 are not encrypted. The digital outputs of the Trinnov, Theta Digital, Datasat, etc are not encrypted as well. There are a few installations out there that are using these type processors with DSP speakers already. The 271 makes a much cleaner way to do it and allows use of the MSR. It is really a cool product that opens up a lot of possibilities.


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#266432 - 2017-07-29 10:31 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Bruce, do you know if it does any funky processing with the inputs? For instance, recognizing the signature of the DACs providing the analogue inputs and correcting for their time domain flaws?


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All I know is what has been published so far.


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#266494 - 2017-07-31 17:49 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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So with the twin RJ45 jacks on the Storm audio processor, you could output 32 channels of digital audio by stacking two Meridian 271s?

We are limited to 16 channels with the Trinnov, at least digitally, am I correct?

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#266497 - 2017-07-31 19:16 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Originally Posted By CMB Integrations - Bruce
The digital inputs of the 271 are not encrypted. The digital outputs of the Trinnov, Theta Digital, Datasat, etc are not encrypted as well.
So I thought that MHR was introduced because it was"against the rules" to transmit that HD audio over unencrypted digital connections?

In fact:
Originally Posted By "Meridian 568.2 datasheet"
This proprietary connection Technology is the Meridian MHR SmartLink and is the first approved high-resolution digital audio transfer system between a DVD-Audio player and compatible surround processor
So have content providers relaxed on that requirement now? Seems unlikely but then how do Trinnov and Datasat "get away with" outputting all this valuable high res audio over unencrypted connections?


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#266499 - 2017-07-31 19:38 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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That's an old story and as far as I know, only Meridian don't support hires over digital audio... every "far-east" company does support that since a loooooong time.


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#266502 - 2017-07-31 20:28 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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RobertW,

It's one thing for a "Far East" company who is basically un-sue-able due to location and because they're fairly small, and it's another thing for a well known and expensive brand located in a country known for it's litigiousness to flaunt the rules...

Not that I'm doubting you, just surprised.

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#266505 - 2017-07-31 20:43 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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Hi David,

I thought MHR encryption dated from the DVD-Audio days, when everyone else had to output analogue signals; M were the only ones who could demonstrate a suitably secure way of transmitting digital that gained the approval of the studios.

The fact that MHR had audio benefits beyond the practicality "DRM" is why it continued to be used after the DVD-A format died? Even back in the day there were companies like TacT who could transmit 96/24 without encryption though, such files might have been produced from one's own original studio files (musicians?)

Perhaps with DVD-A gone, and hi-res content widely available to download anyway, there's less imperative to encrypt?

Just my musings on this!

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#266528 - 2017-08-01 18:02 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Mr Meridian]
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Is it possible with an MHR processor to turn MHR off and still transmit HD audio? i.e. could one use a MiniDSP box to apply Dirac RC to the digital outputs between processor and speaker? (Mind you, I'm not sure if my 568 supports MHR anyway...)


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#266545 - 2017-08-02 08:36 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Interesting that all the conversation is about the 271.

I'm wondering about what kind of stereo sound quality I might get from the 251 compared to a decent Class A/B amp. I have a nice modified Quad 306 sitting in a box, but if I can get the right performance from a 251 in a single box at the right price then it might be worth reconsidering.


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#266546 - 2017-08-02 08:45 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: JobSeeker]
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The 251 I believe will be quite stunning.

I have connected up a 218 into a 258 - seamless performance.
Have tried various speakers, from a £600 B&W to £16k Blade 2. smile


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#266550 - 2017-08-02 09:06 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Martins HiFi]
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I guess the price point vs the 218 will also be interesting.


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#266569 - 2017-08-03 00:45 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: JobSeeker]
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251 reminds me of a Naim product, under their now defunct Naimnet concept. I owned one of their servers, but the 251 equivalent was limited and arguable well before its time.

This time around, I think this one looks like a winner. Seems a snazzy aluminum box would go a long way with this offering as well.


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#266570 - 2017-08-03 06:50 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Yetis]
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£1500 / $2000 for the analogue version of the 271.

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#266571 - 2017-08-03 07:44 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: VirusKiller]
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I expect the digital versions will be about the same? That's quite competively priced. Heck, the software package for the Trinnov is twice that much.


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#266572 - 2017-08-03 10:51 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Cliff,

Which Trinnov software package is that?


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#266574 - 2017-08-03 11:42 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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I meant the Auro, Atmos, DTS:X software package for the Altitude (current price £2349 + another £575 for your calibration microphone)


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#266576 - 2017-08-03 13:13 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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It's a *lovely* microphone though wink


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#266577 - 2017-08-03 13:16 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Originally Posted By Cliff.
I expect the digital versions will be about the same? That's quite competively priced. Heck, the software package for the Trinnov is twice that much.

Thats just more or less interface, no processing.
Anyway, the price of the Trinnov sw for a hifi product is to much.
.


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#266579 - 2017-08-03 13:53 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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Yep, Trinnov processors aren't cheap but neither are 7k and 8kSEs which would probably be in a system of that calibre. The point I was trying to make is that M's new interface adds very little to the cost % wise.

There's also the Altitude 16 to consider but this doesn't have digital outputs from what I've seen so it would be an analogue connection to the 271.


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#266580 - 2017-08-03 13:58 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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maybe M will soon introduce DSP speakers with analogue inputs eek sick cool

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#266581 - 2017-08-03 14:31 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: VirusKiller]
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As much as I want a Trinnov/271 combination there's part of me that is objecting to (paying for) all those analog outputs (in both Trinnov and 271) which I wouldn't be using...

But, as has been mentioned, I guess the additional percentage cost is relatively low and maybe one day the flexibility would be useful.

Still hoping for an immersive Meridian processor - but it's beginning to look highly unlikely...

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#266582 - 2017-08-03 15:08 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Originally Posted By Cliff.
... There's also the Altitude 16 to consider but this doesn't have digital outputs from what I've seen so it would be an analogue connection to the 271.
??
The Altitude8-16 has 8 (16 option) digital in - and 16 digital outputs on the DB25 connectors.
See here-scroll down the page to Audio..

The Trinnov get the sources either via:
08 channels via HDMI
16 channels via DB25
08 channels via SPDIF
08 channels via TOSLINK
04 channels via AES3(XLR).

Or connect analogue sources.

The Altitude(xx) delivers the then processed audio on the DB25 connector and the 271 receive that on its DB25 connector.

Then connect the DSPs via "SL Output" - that's it.


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#266583 - 2017-08-03 15:30 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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Do we know the price of the 271?


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#266584 - 2017-08-03 15:44 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jeje]
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See Joel's post [#266570] just a little way up in this topic.


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#266585 - 2017-08-03 15:53 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Carl]
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#266586 - 2017-08-03 15:56 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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I think there's a possibility for confusion here...

Although Trinnov offer the current Altitude in a variety of configurations including 8 & 16 channels as well as 24/32 channels there has been some discussion of a lower cost model with reduced functionality (max 16 channels I think). I've seen this referred to as Altitude 16 - which I think is what Cliff was meaning. I haven't seen any specifications on this lower cost option so don't know how it might hook up to the 271.

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#266587 - 2017-08-03 16:16 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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The Altiude 32 can be bought in:

08-channels
16-channels
24-channels
32-channels

And if you buy the lower channels models you can uppgrade to more channels for the same cost as the price difference between the different models.
So it will not cost more to buy the 8-channel model and later upgrade to the 16-channel model than to buy the 16-channel.

The new Altitude 16 will be 16-channel only and can not be upgraded to any more channels than 16.
And as far as i know the Altitude 16 will NOT have any digital out, only analog XLR.

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#266589 - 2017-08-03 16:23 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Caldham]
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The back panel shot of the pre-release 16 model only had XLR outputs so unless this has changed (unlikely), it can only be connected to the 271 via the analogue interface.

EDIT: Trinnov presentation
At about 1:55, he starts talking about the new 16 model and there's a shot later on of the back panel.


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#266654 - 2017-08-06 10:26 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Don't know if this has new info but just saw it linked on twitter


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#266656 - 2017-08-06 10:53 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: DuncanBudd]
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Although I've seen it before about the 271, I find this an interesting quote from M:
Originally Posted By Meridian
As clients continue to move from physical media to streaming content, where lossy, low resolution codecs are the norm for the foreseeable future, our 271 is also the premium performance option for Atmos, Auro and DTS-X 3D formats.


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#266723 - 2017-08-08 01:50 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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David Haworth,

I think you nailed it finding this quote.
Meridian has always looked at things fairly long term before investing.
And they see “hard media” as a dead end now which are the only means of supporting these high bandwidth formats. It all makes sense.

I fall into that camp myself. I stream almost everything now.
Not as good but good enough.

The high and bandwidth formats may “return” as streaming bandwidth increases, maybe in a decade.


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#266726 - 2017-08-08 08:10 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Fiddler]
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Or sooner: Atmos on Netflix

Actually, I'm not sure that that's full bandwidth material. Also, it depends upon how you define streaming. I've been streaming movies with HD audio from my internal media server for several years.


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#266729 - 2017-08-08 08:59 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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#266740 - 2017-08-08 12:47 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Originally Posted By Cliff.
Or sooner: Atmos on Netflix

Actually, I'm not sure that that's full bandwidth material. Also, it depends upon how you define streaming. I've been streaming movies with HD audio from my internal media server for several years.
Atmos on NetFlix (as I understand from info that was discussed on this forum) is a trick to use lower bandwidth because it has more flexibility than AC3.

I meant web based streaming. But you have a point that things could be “full” bandwidth even now by “buffering” it to a server ahead of time. But that is a niche right now but could be cheaper and more seamless not too long from now.


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#266741 - 2017-08-08 13:04 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Fiddler]
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One has to really watch these streaming services. They are not what they seem.

Downloading HD video from Apple TV still brings (last time I checked) an audibly compressed soundtrack. Yucky.


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#266747 - 2017-08-08 17:36 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Fiddler]
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Originally Posted By Fiddler
I think you nailed it finding this quote.
I was more thinking that it's such an odd quote.

For one, it seems a bit back-handed and superior. Secondly, Meridian don't support many of the modern lossy codec's, DD+ being an example. They support DD, DTS and LPCM and that's it (okay, ambisonics too, but I don't think that'll impress the streaming crowd).

Then there's the fact that the 271 does nothing to help support or improve "lossy, low resolution codecs" except possibly by letting something else decode them and accepting the input. I suppose that if the input is 16/48 then the apodising in the speakers might help somewhat, but I think it's over-egging it a touch.

Lastly, it then references Atmos, Auto and DTS-X as though it's providing that support when it's completely not. again, it's just letting something else do all the hard work and this is just a conduit to allow someone else's processor to send audio to DSP speakers.

As far as I can see, it's not even acting as a switching pre-amp (is it?) allowing you to use, say a 818 or similar for critical stereo listening and your Trinnov for surround. Now all your audio comes through the 3rd party amp so surely at the high end, you're gaining in home theatre, but losing in stereo.

All that said, I think a smaller 2, 3, 6 or 8 channel version would be interesting to allow users to use DSP speakers with, like an Denon or Pioneer amp. I could see someone wanting a DSP front three, but happy to have a receiver powering the other 3 and doing TrueHD/Master Audio decoding. Of course, that's not Meridian target demographic...


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#266789 - 2017-08-11 11:07 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Preliminary prices released:

The 251 amplified IP zone controller is expected to have a RRP of £1250 (inc VAT)

The 271 immersive audio DSP loudspeaker controller is anticipated to have a RRP of £1,500 (inc VAT)

Expected availability is late September.

Orders are now being taken, on a first come first served basis.
Please contact your Meridian dealer to place an order.

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#266795 - 2017-08-11 17:03 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Any extra charge for the digital version of 271 ?


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#266796 - 2017-08-11 17:20 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Surprised to see only £250 between 251 and 271.


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#266827 - 2017-08-13 12:27 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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I have been seriously consider selling my Meridian gear to get an Atmos set up. The 271 might change my mind. Could one use a 271 with an Arcam AV860 (using the balanced outputs) and keep my DSPs and add 4 passive ceiling speakers (maybe Kef Ci200RR-THXs with suitable amps or DSP320s) for a 5.0.4 setup?

This would make my 861 and HD621 redundant. Just need a replacement for the ID40, maybe with a 218.


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#266828 - 2017-08-13 13:53 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: PWM]
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Yes, a hybrid system using DSP's and analog speakers is possible with the 271. Add a 218 for streaming and you will be all set.


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#266833 - 2017-08-13 15:51 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: PWM]
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Originally Posted By PWM
Could one use a 271 with an Arcam AV860 (using the balanced outputs) and keep my DSPs and add 4 passive ceiling speakers
So what would be the loss here? you'd lose Meridian presets like Trifield and Music I'd guess. Would you lose Meridian's surround processing? or with lossless formats, does that not matter as much?

I feel like you're replacing a Meridian processor with an Arcam one (because, ultimately you are) but does that mean you lose out on sound quality?


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#266845 - 2017-08-14 07:53 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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Originally Posted By David Haworth
Originally Posted By PWM
Could one use a 271 with an Arcam AV860 (using the balanced outputs) and keep my DSPs and add 4 passive ceiling speakers
So what would be the loss here? you'd lose Meridian presets like Trifield and Music I'd guess. Would you lose Meridian's surround processing? or with lossless formats, does that not matter as much?

I feel like you're replacing a Meridian processor with an Arcam one (because, ultimately you are) but does that mean you lose out on sound quality?


As Meridian do not support atoms in their processors there is no other option but to replace it (if you want atoms).
I think the release of the 271 confirms that they have no intention of releasing a processor with support for it.
If they were it would have made more sense to release such a product before the 271. That would have meant sales for the processor instead of customers buying a 271 to go with a new non-Meridian processor. Such customers would be less likely to buy a Meridian processor having just invested in new gear.


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#266849 - 2017-08-14 09:50 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: PWM]
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They could also be hedging their bets. The 271 doesn't mean no "871" (see what I did there...). There could be two parallel development courses. Or not.

It depends, of course, on the development of the market. And at least this way Meridian have ready "a solution" for those wanting their magnificent DSP speakers in an Atmos etc. set-up.


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#266852 - 2017-08-14 11:39 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Ludwig]
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at this rate the 871 comes out with atmos as newer codecs that the 871 doesn't have are being released.

see what i did there?

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#266866 - 2017-08-14 18:54 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: PWM]
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Originally Posted By PWM
As meridian do not support atoms in their processors there is no other option but to replace it (if you want atoms).
Heh, spot the Apple user with the autocorrect from Atmos to atoms smile I've unintentionally written atoms so many times recently...

Back on topic, I get that you'll need to use an Atmos processor, but it seems like you're then losing out in potential sound quality for "basic" surround (i.e. 95% of the surround content out there) and for stereo.

It seems like a 2 steps forward, 1 back scenario.. kinda surprised it's not part 861 with some of it's own intelligence tbh...

Originally Posted By Ludwig
They could also be hedging their bets. The 271 doesn't mean no "871" (see what I did there...). There could be two parallel development courses. Or not.
Hmm.. maybe, but I think I'm with PWM, if they are working on an Atmos processor and if it's anywhere near ready, then releasing the 271 now is an own goal. They should release the 871 (or whatever) first, let that soak up the big money sales and then release the 271 to catch those who have already bought into Trinnov/Datasat etc..

This sounds to me like the 861 isn't getting Atmos or any of the newer fancy stuff. Would love to be proven wrong however...


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#266868 - 2017-08-14 19:40 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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'Dolby atoms' - auto correct got me
Or it could be their new particle based audio codec which Meridian won't support either.


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#266871 - 2017-08-14 20:48 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: PWM]
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271 Datasheet

Provisional draft of data sheet for 271 . Hopefully Cedia will fill in some blanks :O)

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#266872 - 2017-08-14 21:37 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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Originally Posted By David Haworth
As far as I can see, it's not even acting as a switching pre-amp (is it?) allowing you to use, say a 818 or similar for critical stereo listening and your Trinnov for surround. Now all your audio comes through the 3rd party amp so surely at the high end, you're gaining in home theatre, but losing in stereo.
From the data sheet posted by Meridilien:
Quote:
SpeakerLink input for feeding your Meridian source
into your main left and right loudspeaker.
and again further down
Quote:
One SpeakerLink input for pass-through of two-channel digital audio (MQA compatible)
Would that not do it?


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#266873 - 2017-08-14 22:06 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: dBrowne]
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Originally Posted By dBrowne
Would that not do it?
Yes, to be fair, I suppose it would...

I assume one would plug in a Sooloos component in there ... or even an 818 maybe.

That would work for pure stereo, but I guess you still lose out on Trifield and the other presets?


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#266874 - 2017-08-14 22:17 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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The 818 has a Speakerlink in, on the left side of the photo in Duncan's info. The photo also shows another card with 2 Speakerlink outs, coax, optical etc. on another card. It could be down stream a processor or AC200. Seems connectivity options with and through the 818 could be plentiful. I don't have an 818 so I could be mistaken.


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FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
Edited by Mtns; 2017-08-14 22:42.
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#266875 - 2017-08-15 05:34 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Mtns]
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James I am with all your saying as that sounds logic to me.

The 271 is the tool what cinema and audio freaks need. Cinema via Trinnov and Stereo MQA audio purely over the SL Meridian.

Audio without MQA can be connected to the Trinnov or the 271.

The Trinnov is an excellent preamp, I don't expect an advantage from Meridian here transferred from my experience with the Trinnov Amethyst and my M.

To play Meridian's Trifield and other DSP presets, add also a M processor and use his outputs to feed the 271 via special cables. One choice could be the two RJ45 connections or the Digital DB25 connector.

Streaming : Either direct in stereo through the 218 or the 861/ID card with DSP presets.

And the absolute advantage is the usage of Trinnov's "OPTIMIZER" RC, that lift up every equipment to a higher listening level.

Well done from Meridian to bring up the new 200 series for new fields of applications and take back Meridian to survive.

A different way could be the "871", that then have to be a "tape loop" for the Trinnov.

To do so, the Trinnov add (for stereo and DSP presets Music) the RC and Meridian keep the MHR transfer to their speakers and have the MQA flow integrated and the possibility to extend that to MCh either discrete or in DSP presets mode.

And cinema freaks will also get what they want/need.


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#266904 - 2017-08-15 22:00 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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Yep. It allows legacy equipment to go forward in Surround setups criminally cheap. I was very pleased with the 218, and, the SE upgrade for 2 channel, in North Carolina last month to my circa 2002-3 8Ks. So pleased I just took delivery of another 218 and a new pair of 8000SEs in my Florida home. I had to wait until company left to tell my wife about the incredible buying opportunity I had to pull the trigger on the next day, or miss. AMEX had not been paid for the upgrade. I love a woman who knows how to fold, big and with grace.


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#266917 - 2017-08-16 13:53 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Mtns]
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Could the 271 be used directly connected to - say - an Oppo BDP-103, without a processor? The PCM audio steam from Bluray, decoded by the Oppo, fed directly into the DSP speakers?


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#266919 - 2017-08-16 15:35 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jeje]
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Hi,

I presume that the 271 won't control the volume, so you'd need to do that elsewhere.

Brian


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#266920 - 2017-08-16 16:05 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: bxd]
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I presume it must control the volume, what else can?



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#266922 - 2017-08-16 16:07 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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Can't I control the volume with a MSR+ pointed at the DSP speakers?


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#266924 - 2017-08-16 16:34 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jeje]
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Hi Jeje,

Yes you could run an Oppo into the 271, and then control the DSP speakers with an MSR.

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#266935 - 2017-08-16 19:38 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Hi Rick,

I'm not familiar with the Oppo, but I presume that you have to set the individual channel levels from a multi channel output on the Oppo.

Brian


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#266945 - 2017-08-16 23:13 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I presume you'd need an HD621 in between?


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#267083 - 2017-08-21 21:32 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Ludwig]
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Or perhaps one of these: Meridian UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch

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#267226 - 2017-08-25 11:19 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Meridialien]
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Is there any news on how the speakers are turned on if you use the 271?

Does it has an auto trigger on the analogue inputs? Or do you have to turn on the speakers manualy?

Would be nice not the need the MSR to turn them on.


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#267245 - 2017-08-25 15:34 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: ThePioneer]
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And does the 271 send out 24/96 to the speakers from the analogue input?

For now I have setup a 562 as a/d converter between the 861 and the DSP speakers to test the setup. Now it sends 44k to the speakers. It would be nice if the 271 would bring more then 44k


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#267246 - 2017-08-25 16:39 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: ThePioneer]
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Your 861 should send 88.2k with CD's.


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#267254 - 2017-08-26 06:29 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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I didn't try that. I was watching a movie to test it.

I made this setup to test how the 271 would work. I have only 2 speakers at the moment and am thinking of bying a 271 but want to know what the advantage is to the 562 in my case.

I could use the money for the purchase of a set DSP3300 and build surround sound in my home.

Then I stack a 2nd 562 for A/D conversion for the rear channels.

In that way I could buy another brand of processor.

When I looked at the drawing for the use of the 271 I saw that in all cases a 218 is connected to the processor instead of the 271 SpeakerLink input. Can't figure that one out either.


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#267256 - 2017-08-26 07:29 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: ThePioneer]
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96/24 A/D and D/A is hit and (mostly/always?) miss through a 562. Officially its max 48k only.

See 562v3


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#267420 - 2017-08-30 17:10 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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Just wondering if you could feed an 861 SpeakerLink output to the 271 via an adapter and thus use it for what we do now and also feed another processor in for the Atmos.


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#267433 - 2017-08-31 14:20 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: PWM]
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Hi Peter,

No I don't think the 271 will offer any switching between two processors.

That setup could be achieved though I'm sure...

I'd look to leave the 861 setup as is, through the SpeakerLink inputs on the DSP for the very best performance.

Then use an Atmos processor that has digital outputs to the Coaxial digital inputs on the DSP speakers.

(Or a surround processor with Analogue outputs via a 271, and then SpeakerLink to coaxial adaptors)

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#267703 - 2017-09-11 06:35 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Looks like the cheaper Trinnov processor (Altitude 16) will be offering digital outputs over dual network audio RJ-45s. Protocol as yet unclear. I wonder if the 271 can, or can be adapted to use these?


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, Vero 4k, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#267704 - 2017-09-11 08:10 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Still no news on UHD722 unfortunately but these offer views of 251 and 271

At least it proves they were really there ;O)

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#267734 - 2017-09-11 21:37 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jolt]
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There is info about 251 and 271 here Meridian CEDIA 2017 Press Pack.


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#267739 - 2017-09-12 06:15 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: HermanAtHome]
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Not much info on the 210 streamer there.


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#267948 - 2017-09-22 04:19 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Interesting discussion on AVS


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#267959 - 2017-09-22 22:13 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Albert]
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A short video on youtube where Ryan Donaher from Meridian USA says the 210 streamer will support bluetooth, airplay, and spotify. Roon and/or Sooloos is not mentioned. I guess he ran out of time smile "Delivering Convenience with Quality". SpeakerLink output.

see: Meridian Cedia 2017 New Products


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#271583 - 2018-01-09 16:24 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: MJT5282]
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I contacted Trinnov Support to enquire if there's any foundation to rumours that the Altitude 16 model could support digital outputs and hence could be partnered with the 271 without unnecessary A to D conversions. Response below:

Originally Posted By Trinnov Support
We would like to implement some audio over IP protocol which could be AES67 compatible but there is no development planned for the moment or anything. Don't wait for it too much smile
So, it's possible and on their wish list but not coming anytime soon. Pity, the 16 is about half the price of the 32.


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#271606 - 2018-01-09 22:12 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Cliff,

i got the same answer some weeks ago, they can if they want but no priority-so noot now..
The current"old" altitude32 have 4 different hardware versions and can do the same as the new Altitude 16 AFIK .
So on of the 8-8 or 8-16 or 8-24 version should make all that.
Only DB25 to SL is needed.


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#271609 - 2018-01-09 22:48 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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Unfortunately, only the 8-16 model and above support the 3D audio codecs and these configs add to the cost significantly. Hopefully, there will be some Trinnov-Meridian users so I can compare notes. The Altitude is a complex beast.


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#271620 - 2018-01-10 08:25 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Cliff.]
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Yes, Cliff i can imagine that.
I have learned a lot with the interplay of the 861 the Amethyst "communications"
and my brain...;-))
If you like we can discuss that via PM,
as little edits makes a gret sound improvement what i found out.
i will send you a PM here on the platform so when go on.


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#271754 - 2018-01-13 03:47 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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I wonder if someone can come up with a mod for the Marantz or one of the other processors enabling digital outputs instead of analog. Maybe something similar to the mods for the Oppo player before the HD621 came out.


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#271755 - 2018-01-13 03:57 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jdb-si]
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#271760 - 2018-01-13 08:24 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Albert]
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What is the price difference between the standard 271 and the Trinnov version in the UK?


861v6, 8000 (non SL), 7200HC, 5500
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#273517 - 2018-02-23 14:13 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Wshaw]
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Isn't the 271 due out now? Any sightings?

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#273669 - 2018-02-23 17:36 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Meridialien]
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Ordered mine ETA March.

The 271 is now a standard unit, no variants.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 6x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, JVC HD950, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV.
Panasonic BD.
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#273686 - 2018-02-23 21:43 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Linnasak]
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Interesting, so what does it look like?
Do you know more?


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#273688 - 2018-02-23 22:11 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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Here’s some details from my exchange with Meridian.

Quote:
The 271 has been designed to integrate 3rd party processors to Meridian DSP loudspeakers whilst simultaneously outputting analogue audio for use with passive amplification in a hybrid system. For example the 3rd party processor could be a 6 channel processor (5.1) or one with 16 channels (Atmos) or more with the addition of another 271. In theory it is irrelevant to the amount of used channels on the input as the 271’s job is to route the input channels to the corresponding output channels.

The 271 can be configured to select any one of its inputs in the same theoretical fashion as you are used too with your G68. Eg ‘Disc’ as found on your MSR could select at Input 1 (unbalanced analogue) and ‘DVD’ could select Input 4 (DB25 connector)

The inputs of the 271 are:
Input 1: 16x Unbalanced analogue audio channels
Input 2: 16x Balanced analogue audio channels
Input 3: 16x Digital audio channels on two RJ45 connectors
Input 4: 16x Digital audio channels on a DB25 connector
Input 5: 2x Digital audio channels via SpeakerLink

The outputs of the 271 are:
Output 1: 16x SpeakerLink channels with an additional 4 mapped channels - For example these mapped channels gives you the ability to run another 4 subwoofers from the subwoofer discreet input channel.
Output 2: 16x Discreet unbalanced analogue audio channels with an addition of 4 mapped channels. (same concept as above)

(please note those input and output number allocations are intended for clarity within this email only, they are not official allocations)

As I understand it you have legacy Meridian speakers so an AC12 will be required for every paired speaker, eg front Left and Right will need a minimum of 1x AC12. As I said at the start of the email you can ‘mix and match’ Meridian DSP loudspeakers with passive loudspeakers as you can utilise the analogue outputs for such an occasion.

In conclusion you could use a G68 or G65 via its analogue outputs to one of the analogue inputs on the 271 and the other spare analogue input of the 271 could be used with your 3rd party processor.

Going back to your previous email where you mentioned the 218. The 218 would connect via SpeakerLink to the 271 and would be routed directly to the front two loudspeakers. This setup is perfect if you want to unfold the highest resolution available of the system when playing MQA to a pair of Meridian SE DSP loudspeakers.
I challenged them on connecting say a G65 to the digital input , but they would not commit, dealer thinks might be possible as Trinnov goes to SpeakerLink, so effectively reverse wiring. If successful probably will go with G65 for 7.1 and music surround, if not Marantz 8805 looks tempting with say a 218 for music. May do the 218 anyway for 2 channel and Tidal. Then perhaps wait for next Meridian for digital connection or perhaps a value Trinnov!

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 6x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, JVC HD950, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV.
Panasonic BD.
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#273923 - 2018-03-03 00:48 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Meridialien]
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Ordered mine last year when announced. First heard delivery end of year (that would be 2017...). Then end of Jan. Then February. Now hearing April. I guess in April then comes May, June, July... Ah, Meridian product releases. Always timely.


Studio System: UltraDAC, Analog Speakers, QNAP IS-453S Pro
Theater: 818v8, 8kSPE, 5.2kSPE, 7.2HCSPE, Analog subs
Roon (running headless on QNAP)
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#274788 - 2018-04-04 22:37 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Vjayh]
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April bump.


Main System: 861v8+ID41, HD621, 3 x 8KuSE, 4 x M6 Surrounds, Velodyne DD18, Oppo 203, Popcorn Hour A500, Roon.
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#274798 - 2018-04-05 09:40 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: dBrowne]
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My dealer suggesting mid to end April

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 6x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, JVC HD950, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV.
Panasonic BD.
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#274827 - 2018-04-05 22:01 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Linnasak]
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Noticed that the IP Control app on the iPad was updated yesterday for the 271.

Brian


Main: G65, MD600, MS600, 218, HD621, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & D1500.
System 2: G91A, MS200, DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
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#275818 - 2018-05-07 15:35 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: bxd]
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April came and went. Now being told 1st of June for US UHD271 deliveries. Really. No really this time. Really really. eek


Studio System: UltraDAC, Analog Speakers, QNAP IS-453S Pro
Theater: 818v8, 8kSPE, 5.2kSPE, 7.2HCSPE, Analog subs
Roon (running headless on QNAP)
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#275833 - 2018-05-08 07:22 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Vjayh]
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Wasn’t this due out end of last September? Time’s a-tickin’ and customers must be getting itchy feet by now.

I know I held off upgrading my HD621 during the UHD722 beta-tester discount period in anticipation of the 271’s imminent release. I love the 8Ks, and I want them to stay relevant in my home theatre, but my 861, while sonically lovely, is showing its limitations in that it won’t provide me with front wides, overheads, modern room correction or MQA.

It would be nice to have a solution to try out before the 861’s trade-in value depreciates too much more. Those Trinnovs ain’t cheap.


Main System: 861v8+ID41, HD621, 3 x 8KuSE, 4 x M6 Surrounds, Velodyne DD18, Oppo 203, Popcorn Hour A500, Roon.
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#275963 - 2018-05-12 12:25 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: dBrowne]
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I've just been searching for the 271 via Google & our friends Martins Hi-Fi on here have them listed as 'available' & for sale at £1,500. But, it isn't listed on Meridian's website on the various Products pages although it's possible to find PDFs about it from them.

It's certainly taking them a while...


Audio: MC200, G61R SL, HD621, DSP5500, 5500HC, DSP3100. Subs: 2 x REL Gibraltar 2.
Video: JVC X70, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen 129"(2.35).

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#276267 - 2018-05-22 12:23 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Not'arf]
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271 Now on Meridian website so getting close I think!


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 6x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, JVC HD950, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV.
Panasonic BD.
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#276268 - 2018-05-22 12:31 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Linnasak]
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271 just arrived here....


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#276902 - 2018-06-09 14:18 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Martins HiFi]
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Now that it has finally started to ship has anyone actually tried a 271 and if so what are you trying it with and what Meridian setup are you comparing it to?

Given the current low prices for the Marantz SR7012 and AV7704 it now seems the time to make a move to a 7.2.4 Atmos/DTS:X/Auro-3D setup. With 4 DSP320's added it seems like I could move to a system far superior to my current one for home cinema and probably not far off if no worse in terms of music for less than £7k. I might even be able to squeeze in a 218 for that budget to take care of 2 channel MQA too.

I wouldn't even need my HD621 with such a setup so could recoup a little of the cost by selling it alongside my G61RSL. If nothing else with my now unused MD600, MS600 and G98DH I might even be able to get the upgrade cost below the £6k mark. Seems to good to be true for such an upgrade!

Has anyone a similar system or is contemplating one?

Also can anyone correct me if I am wrong but the RJ45 digital input on the 271 is not Audio over IP.

Many thanks,

Anthony.


Sources: MS600, G98DH, Oppo BDP-93, HTPC, Roon
Processors: G61RSL, HD621, Lumagen 4020
Speakers: DSP5200SL FL/FR, DSP5200VC C, DSP3200 SL/SR, DSP3200 RL/RR, DSW
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#276918 - 2018-06-09 22:13 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Got mine finally up and running using Marantz 6011 bought as experiment for G68.

Using with 3x5500s, 6 DSP33s, SW1600 and a SW5500 in 7.2.2.

Quite impressed after running Audyssey setup. Watched Passengers Atmos from Sky Q and Mockingjay Part 2 Atmos. Scene of execution at the end really impressive. Will try out a 7.2.4 setup next weekend with some 18bit 5000s (driven by 565) releasing DSP33 for rear height.

Will look at upgrading the Marantz in coming months probably to XLR output processor like Arcam AV860 or Marantz 8805. Would like one of the digital output tees like Storm or Trinnov but they need to introduce a sub £10k model for me. Quite surprised how good a £700 (discounted) bought AVR used as processor is though!

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 6x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, JVC HD950, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV.
Panasonic BD.
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#276935 - 2018-06-10 12:25 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Linnasak]
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Thanks for the response.

How is it with music? I usually listen in Trifield and losing that is my biggest concern. Then again I would lose it if I went to MQA with a 218.

Do you think that you would miss the G68 at all? Tempted to place an order for an AV7704 with its XLR outputs and Auro-3d as standard.

Many thanks,

Anthony.


Sources: MS600, G98DH, Oppo BDP-93, HTPC, Roon
Processors: G61RSL, HD621, Lumagen 4020
Speakers: DSP5200SL FL/FR, DSP5200VC C, DSP3200 SL/SR, DSP3200 RL/RR, DSW
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#276941 - 2018-06-10 14:09 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Music still not sure as like you used Trifield on G68.

Next weekend I'm going to try Tidal vis Explorer 1 and 565 and Reviver to SpeakerLink input on 271. Then compare to Explorer 1 going into optical of Marantz. Should show Marantz shortcomings, but only really testing stereo.

Now everyone seems to rave over MQA from 218, (Roon + Tidal), seems logical addition for music as then bypass the Japanese processor. One other option would be to route your Meridian processor’s analogue out to 271, then you could have Trifield via that. You can configure one input on 271 for balanced analogue and one for unbalanced.

Might also try sending digital LR via SpeakerLink and analogue for centre to 271 from 565 then I could try a Trifield, but a bit unusual as not sure if you can combine different channels on different inputs. In theory though it is software so maybe in future, as have spare inputs currently.

Suggest you talk to Rick at audio images on options with 271.

Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 6x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, JVC HD950, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV.
Panasonic BD.
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#276946 - 2018-06-10 15:09 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Linnasak]
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Once again thanks for your response. I am really keen to get the Marantz but still have a few reservations on the 271. I am slightly disappointed that it doesn't seem to have AES67 inputs which seem to be the future so it isn't really forward thinking of Meridian at all. Unless I am wrong it pretty much rules out a Trinnov 16 should they enable the digital outs at some point.

Aside from that it seems unforgivable that Meridian haven't appeared to have thought about running one of their own processors in parallel with another vendors Atmos processor. Unless of course Meridian are trying to say that other vendors processors sound just as good as theirs for music and legacy codecs.

As with most things Meridian over the last several years they just seem to have good ideas but fail to deliver on an obvious use case or two. I can't imagine many being sold to people without existing Meridian processors.

The price is definitely right though so if I give Meridian the benefit of the doubt and assume that should AES67 gain traction there will be a similarly priced v2 to upgrade to then all I need is a leap of faith with regards to music playback.

Very tempted to just order the Marantz and the 271 based on price alone. Those DSP320s at 1k each seem perfectly priced and capable as height speakers. Almost seems rude not to buy 4 of them!!!

Many thanks,

Anthony.


Sources: MS600, G98DH, Oppo BDP-93, HTPC, Roon
Processors: G61RSL, HD621, Lumagen 4020
Speakers: DSP5200SL FL/FR, DSP5200VC C, DSP3200 SL/SR, DSP3200 RL/RR, DSW
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#276948 - 2018-06-10 16:38 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Hi

The RJ45 are for storm audio processors, are these the standard you are looking for ?

Also Rick thought he could get a G65 SpeakerLink to Trinnov digital to work, but not sure on that route. As now thinking will look at Arcam short term, wait for storm or Trinnov to release cheaper digital output products. Issue is how long will I wait! Also these processors start to feel like large venue solutions where you want c. 32 channels.

Tempted to try the Trinnov 16 though if there is upgrade path. The 565 seemed expensive in its day, but used it whilst waiting for 271 and surprised how good it sounds so if Trinnov gave 10 years service, then might be stretched to 16, but Trinnov 32 still feels too expensive and I am not looking at opening a cinema!

Yet!!
Kevin


Main system: 271, Marantz SR6011, 5500, 5500HC, 6x 33s, OPPO 203, Xbox one S, AppleTV4K, MAC mini, JVC HD950, Stewart cabaret screen, LG 850 hdr tv, Linn LP12, Itok, Klyde, SkyQ, Panasonic BD, Toshiba HD-DVD.
Broken! G68D 598DP

System 2: 565, HD621, 519, 5000, 5000c, Mission 770, Quad 405x2, xBox1, SkyHD, Apple TV.
Panasonic BD.
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