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#263180 - 2017-04-17 19:16 Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint?
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I am after a network bridge and a DAC for an analogue system, I have been looking at the RPi3 closely and see I can stick an Explorer 2 onto the USB out and use it, will this work with Roon to allow MQA?


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#263181 - 2017-04-17 20:24 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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Hi Guy

Yes it should. I have a working Pi3 with the following DAC:

HifiBerry Digi+

But they do support Explorer 2 as well:

Roon - Go to post 367

It's a little bit fiddly to setup but I can send you a pre-configured SD card if you want. (which I can test with my Explorer 2)

Cheers
Tom


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Edited by GMT; 2017-04-17 20:28.
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#263183 - 2017-04-17 21:39 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: GMT]
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Cheers Tom.

I might take you up on that offer mate.
If I struggle I'll pop over, I'll buy lunch and you can configure my RPi3 for me. wink


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#263184 - 2017-04-17 21:58 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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I use an rPi into a Prime via USB. Works flawlessly with any content, including MQA, driven by Roon. I would expect no difference with the Explorer 2.

Silly cheap too.


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#263185 - 2017-04-17 22:17 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: ncpl]
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Cheers Nick.

I can use the Explorer 2 to at least get up and running, nice to know.


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#263188 - 2017-04-17 22:36 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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Sounds good to me Guy! Might even get Soundcloud working too!


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#263189 - 2017-04-17 22:56 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: GMT]
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Originally Posted By GMT
Sounds good to me Guy! Might even get Soundcloud working too!


Really?
That is the one thing I really miss, I even dug an old airport express out of the drawer to be able to listen to soundcloud.


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#263197 - 2017-04-18 08:00 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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There was a post on the Roon forum with instructions for getting Spotify working with the rPi which worked a treat. When loaded, Roon or Spotify will own the rPi's audio path depending on which is used first. If you stop using one, the audio becomes available for the other after a short time period. I thought of you and Soundcloud once I had this working (must be why you suddenly posted about the rPi!). I have found some solutions but don't know how well they coexist with Roon. I will test this week and let you know.

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#263202 - 2017-04-18 09:00 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: GMT]
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Please do let me know Tom.

Cheers

Guy


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#263215 - 2017-04-18 12:44 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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Roon forums showed me how to install the DietPi OS on RPi 3 which then allows you to easily implement both Roon and Shareport Sync (an open source AirPlay). My Explorer2 worked beautifully as soon as I chose USB soundcard in the configuration menu.


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#263230 - 2017-04-18 16:20 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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Can you flick between Roon and your Airplay source easily?


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#263249 - 2017-04-18 21:33 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: GMT]
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Well, I wouldn't call it "flick" back and forth. One easily (maybe not instantly) gives up the connection to the other when you stop a network stream. I never have a problem switching over.


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#263250 - 2017-04-18 21:43 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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Thanks ODC ! Sounds like a good option.


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#263648 - 2017-04-28 21:29 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: GMT]
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I have my Pi3 up and running, Explorer 2 as DAC and Airplay now set up as well, which is a godsend.

I have to say, I was not quite sure if the Explorer and Pi was going to be good enough, however, my iFi PSU arrived today and I plugged it in and it made a massive difference.
Well chuffed with the results.


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#263650 - 2017-04-28 22:06 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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Nice one Guy! I setup the Airplay but haven't had a chance to test properly. Are you able to Soundcloud with it?
Cheers
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#263651 - 2017-04-28 22:48 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: GMT]
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Yeah, you can Airplay everything to it. smile


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#263657 - 2017-04-29 07:23 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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Good news. And do you just have to stop playing Roon before you start Airplaying? Or do you need to run something first?


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#263662 - 2017-04-29 10:38 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: GMT]
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I think you have to stop playing the track on Roon. I don't think Airplay will just stop it in the same way way loading a new track up would stop the one playing.
But not 100%.

But all works well, very well.

It actually makes it far more useful to me than a Meridian endpoint of Sonos.


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#263668 - 2017-04-29 14:34 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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My thoughts too. I can see me setting up 4 combinations around the house either with analog or digital out depending on the speakers.
I really like how easy it is to change sources. A Chromecast emulator would be the icing on the cake. That or a card with a line in.

Cheers
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#263685 - 2017-04-30 17:56 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: GMT]
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I agree that the iFi PSU sweetens the sound, and have added an Uptone REGEN between the RPi and Explorer2:

Roon or Airplay over ethernet > RPi3 w/iPower > USB through REGEN > Explorer2

As a Mac user, I also like playing Audirvana Plus through this setup, but haven't been able to complete MQA unfolding in the DAC over Airplay. Anyone else able to accomplish this?


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Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#263689 - 2017-04-30 19:04 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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I think I might try the iFI Nano iUSB3.0, but before going any further I am waiting for some other kit to arrive, depending on what direction I go speaker wise will depend on where I need to spend money.


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#263699 - 2017-05-01 08:33 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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Originally Posted By OldDogCan
As a Mac user, I also like playing Audirvana Plus through this setup, but haven't been able to complete MQA unfolding in the DAC over Airplay. Anyone else able to accomplish this?
It looks like you wont be able to as AirPlay is 44/16 so you don't have the 24 bit resolution that I think MQA requires.


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#263708 - 2017-05-01 12:25 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: Ian]
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When MQA was introduced we were told that it would be Red Book compatible and could be streamed over Airplay. Once TIDAL launched, however, we saw 24-bit, not 44/16.

What keeps me looking is that I do sometimes get the blue light on my DAC when playing a local MQA file or a TIDAL Master using Audirvana over Airplay to Shareport-sync on the RPi3. Briefly. Then it switches off to 44.1 white.

I posted here because I found nothing about this at the audirvana.com/forums. Now I've registered with them, and will query the developer and other users once "approved by an administrator" so I can log in.

I'll report back if I learn more.


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Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#263709 - 2017-05-01 12:30 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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When playing over Airplay is the gain set at 100%?



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#263710 - 2017-05-01 12:31 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: gIzzE]
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Yes. 100%


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Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#264050 - 2017-05-09 03:32 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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Here's part of my post over at Audirvana's forum:

In interviews that MQA founder Bob Stuart gave to Computer Audiophile, The Absolute Sound and Stereophile, he said that encoded files could be "truncated" to 16-bit such that they would retain much of their benefit to a decoder over AirPlay. Two of the three reviewers for those publications actually tried 16/44 streamed files and reported that they were not as good as the 24-bit versions, but were authenticated at the DAC and sounded generally better than CD.

Obviously, the Red Book MQA CDs that are starting to appear would work with bit-perfect AirPlay. But I don't own any yet.

My question for A+ is whether or not this truncating process is possible within the program? In the meantime, I will attempt to identify the small number of 16/44 Master recordings available from TIDAL and play them to see what happens.


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Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#264346 - 2017-05-17 16:31 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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Now the answer from the A+ forum: While Bob Stuart seems able to deliver viable 16-bit files for decoded playback, others cannot. Damien (the developer) flatly states that MQA "can't be streamed without being truncated (and losing the useful MQA data) over Airplay".

Go figure.


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Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#265287 - 2017-06-16 13:31 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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Damien's assertion contradicts Bob Stuart's claim at Munich that a 16-bit option is built into each MQA file to allow use with AirPlay and Bluesound:


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Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#265292 - 2017-06-16 16:33 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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I don't think that Bob was claiming for a moment that you could stream over AirPlay and still decode. He was just saying that the top 16 bits would still play and play well.


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#265302 - 2017-06-17 00:52 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: VirusKiller]
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You're right. I watched it again, and agree that he probably means "playable" over AirPlay, not decoded. I wanted to believe because there have been 16-bit files prepared for MQA unfolding and heard by reviewers -which he has talked about in past interviews as he did during these 40 minutes in Munich.


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Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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#268506 - 2017-10-11 01:19 Re: Rasberry Pi3 with Explorer 2 as a Roon endpoint? [Re: OldDogCan]
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-Now I know that you can fully decode [16 bit MQA] over AirPlay because I'm doing just that with the CDs I bought from Chesky Records last weekend at the Denver audio show. There is such a thing as RedBook MQA after all.


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Also: 598DP, 568.2mm, 565, DSP5000.2s, Roon endpoints incl Allo USBridge, Explorer², iFi nano iDSD BL, Audeze LCD-X, AudioEngine spkrs, M&K sub, Apple MBP, OPPO BDP-83
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