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SMPS power supplies, when well designed, are superior to linear supplies in most respects and so are desirable. However, their Achilles heel is reliability. The one you have chosen seems to have been very thoughtfully put together with components that address key reliability points (I note especially the output capacitors). A good choice. We could do with a review in 5 or 10 years time!
Cinema/Music: Trinnov Altitude32 8-16,218,Cloud 4 channel, Marantz UD5007,DSP5200SE(2+C),DSP3300(4),DSW(2),271,MShort Ceilings,AppleTV 4K TV: Marantz SR7013 Wharfedale Diamond 9x4+Celestion(C) Music: Roon,i7NUC8gen,QNAP TS253A, Sony Scala, MS200, Garrard DDQ650,Wharfedale Diamond 12.3 Kitchen: AD88 (bluetooth via i80).
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Hi Crion,
Great to see you have ventured to do this upgrade! Although I have no real knowledge to judge the iFi, it looks good. Have you had the chance to compare it to your 861v8 on your 8KSE's? I stay curious whether a 218 with Farad would be outperformed by something like a 818v3/861v8.
I can recommend the Farad super3 also in basic version. I have the stage 2 cable and the SR fuse now, but these are very small improvements that I would not put my hand in fire to pick up in a blind test. The PSU itself is the real improvement, it doesn't have to maxed out, although the upgrade urge at least can go somewhere.
On one hand it is strange to fiddle with Meridian, as it designed to sound great without tweaking. But I think it can pay off and it is fun too.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity. Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro + Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200 Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS. Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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Has done an extended listening comparison yet to see how big any potential gains might be from these mods?
HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES 2-Channel: TEAC VRDS-7/Trichord Clock 3/PSU, Avondale S100, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Previous Meridian: 5000C, 5200, 7200.2, 6000, 562V.2, 568.2mm, 800v4, 808.2i, 818v2/v3, 861v8, 551, 502
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1 Week now into the DC-jack mod with Meridian 210 and the IFI ipower Elite external SMPS.
This is such a wonderful sonic upgrade, the Meridian SQ is just enhanced, no character is changed but increasing the transparency, resolution and power. The distorsion/ripple is just amazingly low. So you hear more and any distorsion is lowered over the WHOLE frequency spectrum.
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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Yes it is a remarkable improvement isn't. I think now 4 people did the upgrade on this forum. IF you have compared the 210 with iFi to your 861v8, I'd be happy to hear the results.
Main: DSP8000SE< 218 < Farad Super3 TMCB < PS Audio P10. Room correction: Focus Fidelity. Second: Fostex Fe206NV2 < Audio innovations 500 valve amp < Wiim Pro + Study: DSP33 < Reviver < MS200 Server: ROCK + Tidal on NUC, fiber on 2x cisco 2960, HD-Plex LPS. Gone: DSP7200SEu, DSW, DSP5500mkI & DSP5000mkI, 508.20, 210
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I haven't recently no, I did some testing of the Roon/210/861v8 vs MC200/ID41/861v8 initially when I did the switch to Roon. I didn't find it a major gap, I thought they were equally good. And I made sure of it since then by tweaking the NAS and the network with vibration control, better network equipment and grounding, cables etc. And yes, the 210 unpacks the MQA tracks and they sound great in Trifield  Edit: I think I misunderstood your question. But also I have a multichannel setup and listen to Trifield via 210/861v8 and 7.1 via ATV4K/UHD722/861v8 mostly so putting the 210 directly to the DSP8000SE's is not in my book. Although I wouldn't say no to an MQA stream aware update to the 861v8!
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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1 Week now into the DC-jack mod with Meridian 210 and the IFI ipower Elite external SMPS.
This is such a wonderful sonic upgrade, the Meridian SQ is just enhanced, no character is changed but increasing the transparency, resolution and power. The distorsion/ripple is just amazingly low. So you hear more and any distorsion is lowered over the WHOLE frequency spectrum. This puts the 210 on my radar for any future second system. Seems a bit mad that Meridian didn't release a non-installation version with a better looking box and either a better built-in, or provision for an external, PSU. Their product lineup is screaming for a product between the price of the 218/210 and the 800 series which still looks great on a shelf and sounds fantastic...
HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES 2-Channel: TEAC VRDS-7/Trichord Clock 3/PSU, Avondale S100, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Previous Meridian: 5000C, 5200, 7200.2, 6000, 562V.2, 568.2mm, 800v4, 808.2i, 818v2/v3, 861v8, 551, 502
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I agree with your sentiments, but sadly Allen Boothroyd is no longer with us and Richard Hollinshead's and Rhonda Wilson's influences are elsewhere, so I fear we would wait in vain. It seems that audiophiles with a willingness to pay premium prices for outstanding products are no longer part of Meridian's target market.
Cinema/Music: Trinnov Altitude32 8-16,218,Cloud 4 channel, Marantz UD5007,DSP5200SE(2+C),DSP3300(4),DSW(2),271,MShort Ceilings,AppleTV 4K TV: Marantz SR7013 Wharfedale Diamond 9x4+Celestion(C) Music: Roon,i7NUC8gen,QNAP TS253A, Sony Scala, MS200, Garrard DDQ650,Wharfedale Diamond 12.3 Kitchen: AD88 (bluetooth via i80).
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Alright, got a picture up in the gallery, 210 DC-jack mod complete. Very simple once you find a nice coverplate for it. Quite interested in this... to power my 210 from a Prime PSU. Can’t see the pic though - I see the preview but the full image doesn’t load. Am I doing something wrong? S
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I tried uploading the picture to the gallery again, same thing.
404 not found when you click it.
Sorry, can't do anymore from here.
DSP8000SE, DSP7200SEHC, DSP5200SE sides, DSP7200SE rears, 861v8, 210, Sim2 Ultranero 4, Stewart Cinecurve 2.35:1, XEIT CM-5E Anamorphic lens, Dune HD Duo Cinema 8K and Wireworld Platinum 48G HDMI -> UHD722 -> Shunyata Omega Ethernet. Shunyata/Furutech power-cables/filters. SR Master Fuse@861v8. Uptone Etherregen with 10MHz OCXO clock.
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No worries thanks for trying.
Is the mod difficult?
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I agree with your sentiments, but sadly Allen Boothroyd is no longer with us and Richard Hollinshead's and Rhonda Wilson's influences are elsewhere, so I fear we would wait in vain. It seems that audiophiles with a willingness to pay premium prices for outstanding products are no longer part of Meridian's target market. Don't want to take this thread O/T, but surely Meridian are capable of hiring other designers, and they still sell DSPs and endpoints the price of most people's cars. It's the middle ground between these and the custom install gear which seems to be MIA.
HC: 861v4/ID40/LPS, DSP5000, DSP5000VC, DSP3100, SW1600, HD621, Oppo BDP-105, Sony VPL-HW55ES 2-Channel: TEAC VRDS-7/Trichord Clock 3/PSU, Avondale S100, Harbeth Compact 7ES-3 Previous Meridian: 5000C, 5200, 7200.2, 6000, 562V.2, 568.2mm, 800v4, 808.2i, 818v2/v3, 861v8, 551, 502
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