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Hi Tom

I don't believe they are decoding MQA files, they don't say they are, they say they have developed their own upsampling method, their own deblurring method and it provides similar results to full MQA decoding, now whether it does or not is down to the individual to decide, whether they can call it MQA is very disputable and I personally doubt it, whether they have copied too slavishly MQA's methods again is open to debate, probably by overpaid lawyers!

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Imitation is the greatest form of flattery but like a fake Rolex, it ain't a Rolex.


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cry How did you know!

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Cos a fake Rolex works in discrete steps, but a real rolex is a smooth continuous movement.

Much like MQA apparently.


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One wonders if:

(i) the source file is interrogated to see if it contains an MQA stream

and/or:

(ii) the proprietary MQA-like deblurring, etc. method is applied selectively (i.e. only and always to MQA-encoded streams), universally (i.e. to both MQA and non-MQA streams), or on demand (i.e. under user control).


Regardless of one's opinion of the efficacy or otherwise of the MQA technique and the way it has been brought to market, surely this smacks of bad faith at least and outright copyright theft at worst? To see the efforts of a technology company researching a new and innovative way of doing something (at presumably considerable effort and expense) only to see it copied or even, dare I say, faked does not sit well with me. Am I really alone in these opinions?


In the spirit of Spinaltap, I would like to confirm that I am not involved in the corrupt theft of a global sport.
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Hi Gianni

No I don't think you are alone at all.

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I wonder if MQA/Meridian are aware?

Perhaps if they visited this forum a bit more often...


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Originally Posted by Gianni
One wonders if:

(i) the source file is interrogated to see if it contains an MQA stream

and/or:

(ii) the proprietary MQA-like deblurring, etc. method is applied selectively (i.e. only and always to MQA-encoded streams), universally (i.e. to both MQA and non-MQA streams), or on demand (i.e. under user control).


Regardless of one's opinion of the efficacy or otherwise of the MQA technique and the way it has been brought to market, surely this smacks of bad faith at least and outright copyright theft at worst? To see the efforts of a technology company researching a new and innovative way of doing something (at presumably considerable effort and expense) only to see it copied or even, dare I say, faked does not sit well with me. Am I really alone in these opinions?

It does smack of bad faith but there is something odd about the way that they failed to launch in the first place.

I also agree that there is no such thing as an MQA file, but this leads me to believe that the whole thing is down to semantics rather than counterfeiting a technology. From a selfish point of view this development suggests to me that MQA is more likely to succeed as a stream within a format. The more devices that can produce amazing results the better. I am way out of my area of expertise here but I would have thought that MQA should be giving their licence away to the hardware suppliers and making their money on the music.

Fake Rolex's can keep better time than the real thing! laugh

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Originally Posted by Gianni
I wonder if MQA/Meridian are aware?

Perhaps if they visited this forum a bit more often...
I am sure they are aware, I am sure they visit the forum too, now getting them to post that is the problem?

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I tend to agree. If they are looking at the ORIGINALSAMPLERATE meta tag and upsampling to the same rate to make it look like a decoded MQA file... well... then they deserve a whole heap more flak than MQA has taken to provide the original content at the genuine same original rate.

There are a heap of tools that can upsampled to any rate you like.

It amuses me that so much negative attention was given to the genuine Rolex yet the fake Rolex passes through with the polite nod from certain corners.

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Of all the things that I hoped they might post on this is one that even I expect lawyers will be doing most posting on... but not here.


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For the record my Rolex is genuine.

Russ

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