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#257865 2017-01-17 12:05
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It was so long ago that I actually forgot about the written statement of MQA upgrade for 861. wink


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I'm not sure how to create the URL link, maybe the mods can assist.
In the meantime, below are the two quotes from the Meridian document referring to MQA & 800 Series:

Originally Posted by Meridian
800 Series – 808 & 818 – All the 800 Reference Series see updates this year so that they can deliver MQA playback. 808 and 818 are on show at CES and 861 is scheduled for later in the year.
Originally Posted by Meridian
800 Series products, the 808v6 Reference CD Player and 818v3 Reference Media Core, will be available in the Spring to provide the ability to decode and render MQA streams and files as well as adding lip sync control.
The 861 Reference Surround Controller will receive an update later in the year.
Two years later, nothing for the 861?! The Meridian hierarchy obviously approved the release of this three page "Guide for Meridian Partners" document.

Meridian as we know are tight lipped about product developments which I completely understand however frustrating that can seam at times.

However, once they do make public information about product development they usually follow through, albeit usually later than they announce!! One of the great joys of Meridian ownership! Two years since this document release and no follow through is an unwelcome and worrying development that I have not seen before.

It would be marvellous if Meridian would share an update on this topic, even if it was just to say that the Jan 2015 document was incorrect and that an 861 update is not in the pipeline.

At least committed Meridian users like myself could make a decision about future system developments and how to access MQA.


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Originally Posted by Colin Triggs
It would be marvellous if Meridian would share an update on this topic, even if it was just to say that the Jan 2015 document was incorrect and that an 861 update is not in the pipeline.
Indeed. Any comment with some content would do.


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Add me to that list of wanting to know SOMETHING


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+1000000


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MQA is in the wild with streaming services, content providers, studios and DAC manufacturers all offering products. And we now have a good idea how MQA works in a digital (i.e. Meridian) architecture - we can get 24/96 output to our pre-SE DSPs from an MQA decoding device and get much of the MQA goodness.

I want to know whether Sooloos core will get MQA capability, whether my MS600s will get MQA capability or whether I should buy/upgrade to an 818v3 to get MQA. It doesn't matter so much what the answers are, I need to be informed; if I bought/upgraded to an 818v3 and found that it wasn't needed for MQA I might be a little petulant crazy

We rebuilt the relationship between this forum and the mothership; it worked well and we here accepted the compromises that involved. Without that relationship offering us any value those compromises now seem less justified.


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Thanks Gianni,

Question: how do you get MQA into the pre-SE DSPs?


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Off topic but...

I understand that using the Tidal desktop application, with MQA decoding activated (or more correctly with passthrough disabled), provides a large quantity of the MQA goodness in 24/96 form. That may be fed into an SPDIF on the pre-SE DSPs via a USB-to-SPDIF converter (and presumably either directly or via a Meridian processor in Direct mode).

There is no capability for restoring sample rates greater than 24/96 (i.e 192, etc.) or rendering (DAC correction) so it is not a complete MQA solution.

This may be an incomplete or incorrect understanding.


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Thanks Gianni. I can see how this could work but I'm looking for a more integrated solution. MQA is a technology I have my eyes on and I think this is in keeping with the Meridian tradition- after all Meridian did figure out MHR and then MLP. I'm watching the MQA world with hopes they will do something that allows my 861 + 8000.1s to work (perhaps with an upgrade). For now I shall wait. When it happens I could see switching out my main 3 for SE speakers...


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Exactly, this such a useful point to Meridian to understand that if they do a release upgrade on the 861 that is MQA/Atmos worthwhile it drives DSP SE Speaker sales even more.

To be at the MQA technology level was apart from the general SE soundquality improvement one reason to change all multichannel speakers to SE. Trifield would be able to take advantage of the 2ch MQA stream was affirmed by our Meridian contacts and discussed early on.



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Not sure where to put this Roon Forum Post:

Originally Posted by Mike_Cryer
I've had one for a year when they announced Tidal MQA would launch Jan 2016. Ha. But it's been OK as a second DAC in my office. In my main system I use a £1,400 Chord Hugo. With the advent of MQA on Tidal this year, I have done A-B comparisons Explorer MQA v. Hugo. And the Explorer/MQA gives the Hugo at least a good run for the money (being a tenth of the price on the deal you mentioned). It depends on the material, the older stuff is not so well recorded anyway so it's unfair to compare. But it's definitely worth the money.

One caveat though - the Explorer doesn't work with phones or iPads as the USB output on portable devices do not power the DAC sufficiently. So laptops and PCs only I'm afraid.

And I posted on Meridian's Facebook page a week or so ago and mooted that there was nothing between the Explorer and the £14,000 Ultra DAC and had a reply to day - 'Watch this space..' So I am.

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