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Sorry to say but I really do! I am jumbling up and down now � hate, hate, hate.
I first saw Cars 2 with my son; he struggled with the glasses, not really understanding why he had to wear them: fine. But the film looked amateurish; it lost all the detail in which Pixar is renowned. Comments came forward (I can�t remember from who but it was here.No blame!) saying, it wasn�t up to Pixar�s usual standards, I thought that odd, but I had to agree, it had lost something. The detail had gone.
I finally have Cars 2 (2D only). Had the film lost detail, no; it is one of Pixar�s best. The attention to detail is outstanding. Michael Caine as Agent Finn McMissile, is one of his best roles. The story is excellent too.
Long live 2D!
I still haven�t found the number yet! Anyone else knows where it is?
Does anyone know what I am on about?
CheeRS
Shaun
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Calm down dear!
Quite like 3D myself but only when it's done well. Picking up my 3D projector next week hopefully
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Nice Christmas prezzy , Cliff !
It'd be nice to see the M HD621 3D firmware update this side of Christmas so we could watch and listen to our 3D films and concerts .
3D isn't suited to a lot of material but can be fun with some . I wouldn't get stressed out about it , its an occasionally amusing extra feature .
~M~
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Thanks M. I actually chose the JVC for its outstanding 2D performance and as you say, 3D is a bit of occasional fun (or not, if you feel like Shaun)  I wouldn't hold my breath on the HD621 firmware - we've had our miracle for this year
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I'm with you Shaun, hate it. Creativity is being skewed towards generating scenes for the biggest 3D effect, rather than the development of the story. To me its a gimmic and I hope a short lived one. I saw a report about the Japanese domestic market which is quite the barometer of consumer sentiment and 3D is of little interest there now.
I watched Hugo in 3D. Loved the story but by the end I was glad it was over. The image is too dark, forget a decent dynamic range and it all looks very artificial. If this is the future of cinema count me out.
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If Cars was a band it would be The Saturdays - how can you care whether it's 2D or 3D?
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As long as we continue to get a choice, then I don't see the problem. My brother and one of my sons both feel it has added to their entertainment options, so that's fine.
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Well that just the problem. My regular high end movie theater is only showing the 3D version. Normally not the case and I always choose the 2D version when there's an option. Not for the Hugo release though.
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Well, JobSeeker, there lies the problem. I simply don�t have a choice. I have to wait until the DVD comes out! The experience of going to the cinema has gone along with most of the art deco cinemas. Thanks Corrado Brit � who put it more eloquently than I GMT � that was a bit harsh  ; Cars was just an example. Pixar (and others) make very good films for children and adults alike. The first Cars film is a fine example, teaching children (the odd adult could learn from it too) good honest values, the main character learnt not to be so self centred and the value of friendship and to help others. Cars gets 7.4 at IMDb, enough said
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... Comments came forward (I can�t remember from who but it was here.No blame!) saying, it wasn�t up to Pixar�s usual standards, I thought that odd, but I had to agree, it had lost something. The detail had gone.
I finally have Cars 2 (2D only). Had the film lost detail, no; it is one of Pixar�s best. The attention to detail is outstanding. Michael Caine as Agent Finn McMissile, is one of his best roles. The story is excellent too. I thought that graphically (and story wise) Cars 2 was not up to the usual Pixar standards. It was not the fault of the cinema as the Pixar short played immediately before was typical Pixar.
So it may not entirely be the fault of the 3D presentation. It was me! I still stand by my quality statement when viewed in the cinema, but on DVD at home is does look better I admit. Maybe they have enhanced the image somehow for DVD. It wasn't the problem of the cinema as the Pixar short prior to it was stunning. Likewise, TinTin was too. Maybe the problem was the short prior to the main feature - it was so good, it made the feature look poor. Story still sucks though imho  but then, I have Cars permanently ingrained into my grey matter it was/is my sons favourite so it, and the poignant story makes it particularly special. There was nothing in Cars 2 to make me think that it was anything other than trying to be something else - looks a bit like Monaco, but its not, looked at bit like London, but its not, looked a bit like Tokyo, but its not, a bit like James Bond, Formula 1, Nascar etc etc, you get the idea...
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Don't Panic!
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In their short-term greed, Hollywood has blown the 3D opportunity (IMO). The marketing exec's jumped on the bandwagon and have managed to turn off the majority of punters by releasing too many poor quality and/or gimmicky films too quickly, and before the projection technology was mature. 3D needed time to bed in from both the directorial and viewing standpoints, but this has not been allowed. I think it's doomed to be a niche, if it continues at all.
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Thanks M. I actually chose the JVC for its outstanding 2D performance and as you say, 3D is a bit of occasional fun (or not, if you feel like Shaun)  I wouldn't hold my breath on the HD621 firmware - we've had our miracle for this year Cliff, I really enjoy my JVC X3. In 2D the 50000:1 contrast ratio blows me away for the price. When I saw episode 4 of "Planet Earth - Caves" and the blacks were really, I mean really black, I was stunned. I replayed the episode back to back. Yes, good 3D content is limited but if you already have a player like the Oppo BDP-93 or 95 and you're looking for a projector, why not pick up one that also gives you 3D? I currently have 20 3D titles and my favorite is "Despicable Me". Let us know your impressions when you get your new toy. Sorry Shaun. However,if you are ever in Vegas with your son, drop by and we'll put on a nice 2D for you. I love choices. Regards, Gary
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