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... faithful to the original recording ... How can you tell? 
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Faithfull to the original is Bob's phillosophy. As he once said, an equipment reviewers most valuable tool is "Concert Tickets". Although Apodising is suposed to help cure some of those poorly recorded discs. Enjoy, Chris 
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I think Malcolm's alluding to the original recording - the master "tapes" - and the fact that what's on those tapes in most cases doesn't usually end up on the CD anyway ! "Faithful to what's on the disc" might be more accurate.... 
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Bearing in mind that recordings of classical music are sometimes (not always) aiming at recreating the acoustic experience - and that M clearly subscribes to this philosophy - "faithful to the original sound" is often perfectly accurate (if by sound you mean "acoustic experience").
Anyone who has been involved in recording live music will tell you that this is a very real concept, although constantly a matter of opinion between professionals.
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Keep your knickers on ladies!!! All I meant was with Meridian it doesn't matter what level you play it at, it never sounds shrill, it always stays in control. Not many systems manage this, it reminds me of a top end 'listen all night' valve and vinyl system, but with all the benefits that digital brings. Yeah it is extremely clear and detailed, but many systems only manage this level of detail by exaggerating the upper mid and top end. Many people say Naim gear puts out exactly what is on the disc, so that if they both do they must sound exactly the same as Meridian?? But it couldn't sound any more different, every brand has a sonic signature, if they didn't there wouldn't be all the different brands.
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I don't think it is too interesting. It is the usual posturing, positing and puncturing.
Kal I thought they were doing quite well. Well that is until today, when almost on cue they plunged into the inevitable "You can't hear what I hear" type of tripe. For the most part I would say they stayed in bounds. Simon aka ca1ore did a good job carrying water for M. Maybe he could have pushed them back on the one statement about M's inability to handle analog. Anyway - Kal congrats on getting your 861 v6 delivered today. They are bringing mine over tomorrow. Then I will see if "I can hear what they hear". Regards, Gary
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Bearing in mind that recordings of classical music are sometimes (not always) aiming at recreating the acoustic experience - and that M clearly subscribes to this philosophy - "faithful to the original sound" is often perfectly accurate (if by sound you mean "acoustic experience").
Anyone who has been involved in recording live music will tell you that this is a very real concept, although constantly a matter of opinion between professionals. Yes, I agree with you, and had this in mind, as well as "faithful to what is on the disc" etc. Some of the points above amount to differences of terminology or semantics. I think many of us were saying the same thing. But I was not thinking of warm or fluffy [warm = overblown bass; fluffy = poor definition / imagery / sound stage?]
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Keep your knickers on ladies!!! All I meant was with Meridian it doesn't matter what level you play it at, it never sounds shrill, it always stays in control. But my suggestion is that a harsh and shrill recording will sound harsh and shrill. Meridian do not smooth things out.
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But my suggestion is that a harsh and shrill recording will sound harsh and shrill. Meridian do not smooth things out. Agreed - it just won't make it worse - which I think the ADA does! Nick
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Keep your knickers on ladies!!! All I meant was with Meridian it doesn't matter what level you play it at, it never sounds shrill, it always stays in control. But my suggestion is that a harsh and shrill recording will sound harsh and shrill. Meridian do not smooth things out. Meridian dithers everything and that does literally smooth things out, ever so slightly. Warm and fluffy works for me.
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But my suggestion is that a harsh and shrill recording will sound harsh and shrill. Meridian do not smooth things out. Agreed - it just won't make it worse - which I think the ADA does!
Nick Nick: And on what basis are you coming to that conclusion because this certainly is NOT my experience...and, to the extent that you have not actually compared and listened to the unit can we limit this type of assuming/surmising as it adds nothing other than misinformation...
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Joel
Nick posted that hs had actually heard both units so his comments are as valid as yours.
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