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#49500 - 2007-06-10 15:21 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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sooooo--- I am at 2.2 and I tried turning the xa1 off and even unplugging. nothing worked. Until I tried a firmware update anyway- it said Im already good and it took a few minutes to reboot/ recycle. Now VE works! Go figure.

And- in the mean time the Crystalio firmware was updated and it now detects between 601/709 and....... its working right! Im in the right color space- the DVE test results were nearly spot on.

now if they could only resolve their 24fps cadence lock issue... grrr

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Jerry


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#49501 - 2007-06-10 15:29 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Has anyone had lip sync problems with the Matrix trilogy movies? Over on the AVS forum some are complaining about it. I haven't had problems with my setup (HD-XA2 ver1.6). Just curious.

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Ron


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#49502 - 2007-06-10 15:34 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Ron, just watched The Matrix - huge upgrade from the DVD but disappointed that edge enhancement was visible throughout. And as Jerry pointed out, there are definitely lipsync issues with this disc - I had to drop my delay by 2ms to get things in sync but even then it often drifted away. No other problems though. The 2nd and 3rd films will be my next screenings.

Mark

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#49503 - 2007-06-10 15:41 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Quote:
Originally posted by JerryL:
And- in the mean time the Crystalio firmware was updated and it now detects between 601/709 and....... its working right! Im in the right color space- the DVE test results were nearly spot on.
Jerry, great news, and it seems to confirm what I suspected which is that the Lumagen is to blame here.

Mark

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#49504 - 2007-06-10 15:54 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mark_H:
I had to drop my delay by 2ms to get things in sync
You can spot 2ms of sync?


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#49505 - 2007-06-10 16:04 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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I can spot 0.5ms of lipsync error if I am adjusting away from correct lipsync. However, if I am viewing an unknown setup I couldn't tell you whether it was 2ms wrong or 20ms wrong, but I could tell you it's wrong. Once your lipsync is correctly locked to the video it's *very* easy to see it move out of sync even with 0.5ms adjustment.

Lipsync never used to bother me, but one day I spotted it was out and that was it - it drove me nuts until I fixed it... And now I immediately spot discs which are out and can quickly adjust with my Crestron. HD discs have, generally speaking, been very consistent - they are either accurate or consistently out by at most a couple of ms - The Matrix on the other hand drifts throughout the film which is incredibly annoying.

Mark

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#49506 - 2007-06-10 19:34 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Mark did you notice it with TrueHD or just DD+. I saw it on the first movie with DD+ but not TrueHD.

When I had my 598 and 568 attached to the same power feed I had a lot of lip sync errors and drifting out of sync problems. Dove me nuts! Since I discovered the excessive harmonic current distortion on the AC lines from the 598 power supply I separated them from the same power and now I hardly ever see sync problems unless they are deliberate. Even my SAT feed had problesm and all is completely gone now.

Ron


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#49507 - 2007-06-10 19:39 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Mark, You saw edge enhancement in Matrix? I didn't notice any but I do use the component outputs. I have not noticed much edge enhancements with HDDVD but I don't have a 1080p display either so that might be why. I see it all the time on my SAT HD feed though.


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#49508 - 2007-06-10 20:04 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Ron, I only use the digital streams for audio.

Yes, there is edge enhancement in nearly every scene of the film - some of it may be digital compositing halos where the actors are in front of CGI backgrounds but there were plenty of "normal" scenes which exhibit it also. One of the curses of having a large screen is that these issues become very clear. Thankfully, due to the higher resolution of HD, it's never as painful as we used to see on DVD but it definitely still has a negative impact on image quality.

Mark

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#49509 - 2007-06-10 23:45 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Guys- on the matrix lip sync issues I know this is a long thread, but if you look back youd see that I found this too- its on the DD+ track. Start the movie and go to the menu and select the audio to be the true hd track. even though you are running a digital output the hddvd player will downsample the truehd track and there is no more lipsync problem. that and I think the sound is a tiny bit better this way too- but I must admit this last part could be simply psychological. Mark I think I might have noticed some minor edge enhancement on the matrix but on the other movies I thought the image was pretty good- that sequence from reloaded when neo says "Ill handle them" through the freeway scene is just wonderful. Too bad I dont think the sequels on balance are so wonderful......

best regards,
Jerry


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#49510 - 2007-06-11 01:05 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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Jerry/Mark,

The DD+ track did have audio lag for sure in my setup as well. At least with Matrix it did but the other two movies seemed to be OK on DD+.

I also notice better sound listening to TrueHD down converted. The scene in Matrix where Neo walks into the building to save Morphius. Listen to the decay of stuff falling and hitting the floor and then the final chunk of concrete falling off one of the pillars on the left hand side of the screen when they enter the elivator. The rifle falling to the floor when the fight scene was over in the lobby. Much more ambient sounding and over all more laid back sounding yet fuller. I wonder how good the analog outputs would sound?

Mark I also watch on a 119" diagonal 16x9 screen with an LCD projector. I have a Sony projector with 1366x768 panels.

Its an old VW10HT but I have it calibrated so the colors are very good and it still has a very sharp image. Blacks are OK using a color correction filter and much better than out of the box. I would love to get the new JVC but I can't spend the money right now.

Ron


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#49511 - 2007-06-11 07:18 Re: The one of MANY HD-DVD threads (No bashing Blu-Ray)
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I watched The Matrix Revolutions for the first time last night on upscaled DVD. I loved the hugely creative (and original) first movie and was equally disappointed that the second just seemed to be lots of drawn out kung-fu sequences. So I was pleasantly surprised with Revolutions which I thought was somewhere between the first two.

In general, the difference between HD and upscaled DVD is a night and day experience (with a couple of notable exceptions), but Revolutions upscaled looked *very* good and I was drawn into the movie rather than the artifacts. And *that* is a big compliment to the original DVD production team...


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