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#272901 - 2018-02-09 16:49 G68/G98 lead configuration
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Hi,
I recently purchased G68 and G98. I need help with the configuration of the three blue phone leads.

When I configured them originally I could only get Trifield, music etc., with poor sub response. When I reconfigure them I can get Cinema, Discrete etc, with good sub response.

I have thus far not been able to get Cinema, Discrete and all the DSP modes together? There must be a lead for lead configuration that I am missing. The CD and DVD are typed MH1.

Any help would be sincerely appreciated.

Many thanks in advance,
James


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#272906 - 2018-02-09 17:51 Re: G68/G98 lead configuration [Re: JG22]
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It's probably not the leads, just an understanding of the differences in music and movie modes.

Have a read of the following. It is a good explanation for people moving to the new way of doing things - applies equally for those moving to Meridian with preconceptions based on other manufacturers kit.

MHR Smart Link in a 568.2 / 598 system


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#272915 - 2018-02-09 18:45 Re: G68/G98 lead configuration [Re: Ian]
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At the minute, it appears to be lead configuration. As I said if configured a certain way, will only allow discrete, movie, thx etc, then cycles the same four when continuously pressing the DSP function. No way will the unit select the Meridian Trifield and other DSP modes with leads in this position.?? Thank you for the link and for the swift reply


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#272921 - 2018-02-09 22:00 Re: G68/G98 lead configuration [Re: JG22]
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Hi,

If you’re feeding the G68 a multichannel signal then only the multichannel DSP presets are available.

With the same configuration ... if you then played a 2 channel CD, then DIRECT, Trifield etc. would then be available.

The two sets of presets are dependent on input format and are mutually exclusive.

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Carl


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#272930 - 2018-02-10 00:43 Re: G68/G98 lead configuration [Re: JG22]
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Hi James,

You cannot use the 3 blue cables to set up the MHR connection between the G98 and G68.

[/u][/b]INCORRECT STATEMENT Please read Ian’s post below.[b][u]

Your MHR out Port on the G98 is a 15 pin female VGA socket on the right hand side of the rear. Your G68 has two MHR inputs with two rows of 3 coax sockets on top of each other, whereas both the older 598 and the 568mm have the single VGA port on both units for the MHR connection.

I don’t know exactly where you have been plugging in all 3 of blue cables into the G98 but it certainly explains your diagnoses. You have been connecting to a single digital out signal with one of your 3 cables and not inputting the 6 discrete channels you think you have, required into the G68. Depending upon where you are plugging the other end of the one “active” blue cable into the 3 MHR coax sockets on the G68, you are getting a nice sound if it is the first socket on the left which is 1/2 - Front left & right. You should be able to see discrete for the two front speakers and use Trifield. The middle socket of the three sockets is 3/4, which are the centre channel and bass inputs. The socket on the right is 7/8 for the rear left and right speaker inputs.

If you use side speakers (5/6) as well as rears, the sound input into these is simulated by the G68. Only the 861v6 and higher has the abillity for 8 discrete channels, i.e., 7.1 sound.

You immediately need to purchase a VGA to component adapter cable which has a VGA male plug at one end and the Red, Blue and Green coax plugs at the other. The VGA plug goes into the G98 and the coax cables are plugged into the 3 phono sockets in the order of Red, Blue and Green from left to right.

[/u][/b]EDIT - The correct order for coax MHR inputs with the VGA to coax adapter cord is Green, Blue and Red as the front input is on the right and the rears on the left.[u][b]

You also need to ensure that you programme the correct MHR connection in MConfig, i.e., upper row or lower row of coax inputs.

As the 598 only has the on MHR connection, I have a mechanical component switch to choose between the HD621 or 598. The 598 is connected to the MHR VGA connector of the 568mm with a VGA to component cable. The HD621 is also connected to the mechanical component switch with a component cable with the RED cable to the front left/right 1/2 channel, the Blue cable is the centre/sub 3/4 channel and the Green cable is the rear left/right 7/8 channel. I have done the experimenting for you already. The mechanical component switch is the connected to the 568mmwith a second VGA to component adapter cable.

As your G68 has two MHR inputs, you will be able to use your 3 Blue Meridian coax cables directly to your next purchase, a now cheaper, secondhand HD621 due to the Upgrade Offer, as I described above. With a HD621 in the system, you will be able to connect all your HDMI sources through your system and have great sound with the picture.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.


Cheers,


Steve M


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Edited by Steve M; 2018-02-10 11:58.
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#272934 - 2018-02-10 07:19 Re: G68/G98 lead configuration [Re: Steve M]
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The G98DH has coax out in addition to VGA - G98AH does not but assume we are not talking about that as connecting with 3 x blue cables. Yes, VGA is easiest hookup, but you can also run MHR SmartLink over the 3 coax outputs - ignore aux out. This allows the units to interoperate with other Meridian kit that does not have VGA connector without using a non standard lead - ie the unnecessary VGA/component splitter. The VGA connector was simply a compact version of the 3 x coax cable introduced on compact units such as 568.2mm.

Connecting the 3 blue leads as per the labels and making sure G68 is appropriately configured for multi channel will be all that is needed. The rest is understanding what presets work with what material, music, movies, multichannel etc ie Music2/music6/movie2/movie6. as per my link or the manual. That link will also explain relative signal differences in sub levels that can cause some confusion.


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#272942 - 2018-02-10 10:45 Re: G68/G98 lead configuration [Re: Ian]
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Hi and thanks very sincerely for the replies. Let me put it differently. I am connecting exactly as per Meridian instructions in both owners instruction manuals. What I need to know is "do the three blue leads have designated lead to lead inputs from g68 to g98. There must be. If JUST these blue leads are randomly put in thr tree receiving inputs on the g98, no sound, try a different configuration, only. Discrete, Cinima and DTS, pressing DSP mode on remote just brings you round in circles?
Sorry I made this as elementary as I can, maybe it's me? Once again thank. James


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#272943 - 2018-02-10 10:52 Re: G68/G98 lead configuration [Re: Ian]
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Hi Ian,

After reading your post, I definitely stand corrected and have edited my post above.

I had surgery yesterday and found myself unable to sleep last night so I logged onto the forum. I saw James’s post and not ever being a G Series owner went on Duncan’s site to see the rear layouts on the G68 and G98. Obviously I was only trying to help solve his problem. At this point in time I was sitting in bed with just my iPhone and no reading glasses. I did actually open the photo of the rear of the G98DH and instantly spotted the VGA MHR connector but did not see the digital coax MHR sockets sitting to the left of it, due both not having my glasses handy (couldn’t get out of bed) and due to the poor quality of the picture.

After reading your response, I did what I should have done last night and opened the manual to see the G98DH rear layout, which can be zoomed right in crystal clear. I then opened up the photo again knowing where to look for the second MHR coax connectors. With and without glasses I still could read the labeling of the individual coax outputs but now know how they are labeled from the manual. With glasses I could read the heading above Main Digital Outputs but not without my reading glasses.

I also referenced the G68 manual and checked the rear photo again and have found that the Coax MHR inputs are also in the opposite order to what I described in my post, without being able to read them. The 7/8 Rears are the first coax socket on the left, with 3/4 centre/LFE in the middle and 1/2 Fronts on the right.

I have certainly learned my lesson and will reference manuals first in the future, wearing my reading glasses !


Cheers,


Steve M


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#272947 - 2018-02-10 11:57 Re: G68/G98 lead configuration [Re: JG22]
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Hi James,

Firstly I apologise for the misleading information in my previous post to you. The reasons for the mistakes are explained in the above post to Ian.

As per your latest question above about whether there are dedicated outputs from the MHR coax connectors on the G98 to the dedicated inputs on the G68 MHR connectors, the answer is a definite yes.

To the left of the MHR Smart Link (VGA) connector you will see the panel labeled MAIN DIGITAL OUT with four coax sockets below. The bottom right output is labeled AUX DIGITAL OUT. As Ian mentioned previously, this output is not used in establishing the MHR connection with the G68.

The other three outputs are labeled MAIN DIGITAL L/R (top left), C/LFE (bottom left) and SURR (top right). These are the three output sockets that one end of the three blue cables will be plugged into.

Now on the G68, the two sets of coax MHR inputs are located directly below the MAINTENANCE USB and RS232 ports with the heading MULTI DIGITAL IN. Below the the second row of three coax inputs, you will also see the labeling of SURR, C/LFE and L/R from left to right. On the right, the bottom row is labeled MD2 and the top row MD1. You will use the top row MD1.

Now between the G98 and G68 you will install each of the blue coax cables between MAIN DIGITAL L/R and L/R, C/LFE to C/LFE and SURR to SURR, respectively.

You will then ensure that the MHR connection is correctly set up in the MConfig programme as shown in the G68 instruction manual. G98 to G68 connections are D1 to D1, D2 to D3 and D3 to D5. You can click yes to make a multichannel connection automatically.

I hope that this explanation gets you over the line with your problem solved.


Cheers,


Steve M


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