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#271797 - 2018-01-13 15:16 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
so in essence, given your resourceful solution, the 271 is not mandatory?
Sort of looking that way (think Reviver).


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#271800 - 2018-01-13 16:26 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
so in essence, given your resourceful solution, the 271 is not mandatory?
It depends on your system configuration and requirements.
But, no, if you're looking at a Trinnov solution, as it already has balanced digital audio outputs, then you don't necessarily need a 271.

However, our solution is a simple re-wiring exercise, interfacing the DB25 outputs from the Trinnov into RJ45 SpeakerLink connectors for Meridian DSP, and connecting up the Meridian Comms.

The 271 offers a far more elegant solution, with lots of flexibility, and integration with Surround Controllers that only have analogue outputs.
So my guess is most Trinnov based DSP systems will still have a 271.

I merely mentioned it if anyone was interested in hearing Trinnov and Meridian DSP before the 271 is released.

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#271801 - 2018-01-13 17:38 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Originally Posted By AudioImages - Rick
The 271 offers a far more elegant solution, with lots of flexibility, and integration with Surround Controllers that only have analogue outputs.
So my guess is most Trinnov based DSP systems will still have a 271.
thx for the reply Rick. so does the 271 then allow one to control Trinnov vol which in turn controls DSP vol, and/or vice-versa? while your solution does not offer this?

thx

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#271802 - 2018-01-13 18:19 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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No, as far as I understand, the Trinnov and DSP volumes won't track together even with a 271.

With 271 the volume could be handled either in the Trinnov, or in the Meridian 271/DSP Speakers.

I generally have the DSP set at 87, and then handle the System volume in the Trinnov as this gives me volume control for any analogue speakers in the system such as surrounds or subwoofers.
(Which I wouldn't have if I handled the volume in the DSP)

The 271 will have variable analogue outputs, so the Trinnov could be set to unity gain output, and then the 271/DSP handle all the volume control, which may well be a better solution than using the Trinnov volume as I do currently.
In this situation it would be nice if the Trinnov Volume Knob could be hijacked to vary the Meridian volume, I'm discussing with Trinnov about this possibility.

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#271803 - 2018-01-13 18:45 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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thx Rick.

it all sounds a bit Rube Goldbergian, to say the least.

& so much for apodizing and upsampling as early as possible w/ that solution grin

maybe best to ask Trinnov to collaborate w/ M on their 861v10 and stop w/ this convoluted hacking, and then that overpriced 4k switcher box can be better justified after all.

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#271804 - 2018-01-13 18:54 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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If you had all DSP processors then would it not be easier?

What I'm thinking is... feeding digital audio out of the Trinnov and into the DSPs is easy, a set of Reviers will expose SPDIF's you can connect to. The challenge is volume control, but could you not use any Meridian controller for that? If you could hookup an old 561 and get it to send out comms instructions, then it can switch on and off, mute and control volume for the speakers, even if it's not actually outputting the audio they are playing...

Does that make sense?


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#271810 - 2018-01-13 19:46 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
thx Rick.

it all sounds a bit Rube Goldbergian, to say the least.

& so much for apodizing and upsampling as early as possible w/ that solution grin

maybe best to ask Trinnov to collaborate w/ M on their 861v10 and stop w/ this convoluted hacking, and then that overpriced 4k switcher box can be better justified after all.
He asked for that! (Sorry Rick!)


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#271812 - 2018-01-13 19:56 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: David Haworth]
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I use the Trinnov Amethyst/Meridian 861 duo for my three front channels (8k).
Roon can run over the ID40, the 218 or the Amethyst.

The audio chain is 218 with SL into the 861 and via custom adapter cables(SL to XLR and RCA) into the Amethyst. Then with adapter-cables from XLR and RCA from the Amethyst to the speakers.

The comms and serial part of the SL cables from the 861 are split and bypass the Trinnov and get then combined after the Amethyst with the audio output of the Amethyst so finally SL/ethernet cables run to the speakers.

I am just thinking over if I should make a easy smart solution for that, but untill the 271 is out, it make no sense. Of course it depend also on the price of the 271.

As far I understand, the 271 is mainly the same as the caible solution, means the Trinnov volume should be untouced and the communication for the volume and other control runs simply through the 271, so it’s mechanical mainly a connector adapter for DSP speakers.

It make no sense to use the Trinnov volume as the volume control in the DSP is the better concept.


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#271816 - 2018-01-13 20:20 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
maybe best to ask Trinnov to collaborate w/ M on their 861v10 and stop w/ this convoluted hacking, and then that overpriced 4k switcher box can be better justified after all.
If you purchase the Trinnov Altitude 32 you essentially get the 722 included inside it for “no extra charge” so you wouldn’t have to worry about the cost of an extra 4K switcher.


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#271817 - 2018-01-13 20:55 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: JOE-C]
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i just want M to release a bleeding edge 861 that's as good or better than the Trinnov and not worry about patch boxes, hacks, etc. hell, i'd be that much more inclined to get the switcher box.

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#271818 - 2018-01-13 20:57 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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#271820 - 2018-01-13 22:35 Re: Trinnov and Meridian at Audio Images [Re: _M_]
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Originally Posted By _M_
i just want M to release a bleeding edge 861 that's as good or better than the Trinnov and not worry about patch boxes, hacks, etc. hell, i'd be that much more inclined to get the switcher box.
I think we all want that but I’m afraid with the release of the 271 M may be telling us something different if you read between the lines.

If you want the latest codecs and even room correction I’m afraid we will need to look elsewhere for processors.


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