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#271580 - 2018-01-09 15:36 Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced
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Hi All,

Details starting to emerge on a trade-up promotion for existing HD621 customers wishing to upgrade to the UHD722.

UHD722 Trade-in Promotion on Meridian Website

Meridian UHD722 Datasheet (provisional)

More to follow

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#271581 - 2018-01-09 15:53 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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#271582 - 2018-01-09 16:22 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: VirusKiller]
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It appears that the amount offered will be down to the individual dealer. Best guess, based on ticket price of £2,000?

£600?


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#271584 - 2018-01-09 16:32 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Update on pricing...

The UHD722 will retail for £2,000 inc VAT.
Against this an HD621 will fetch £500 as a trade-in, making the balance to swap £1,500.

Stocks are expected towards the end of February, and will be supplied on a first-come first-served basis.
Please contact your Meridian Dealer to secure your place in the list!

Cheers,

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#271590 - 2018-01-09 17:24 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Ouch! At half that I may be tempted......

I can't really see what value this adds that can't be achieved at a significantly lower cost elsewhere. The HD621 added functionality and value to what were at the time current processors whereas this just upgrades HDMI 1.4 to 2.0 for what can only now be considered to be legacy processors. What am I missing here as a current Meridian processor and HD621 owner?

At that price if I wanted to keep my DSPs why wouldn't I just sell my G61RSL/HD621 combination and add the £1500 and not too much £ on top and get something like a spanking new Marantz AV7704 with a 271? Surely for not much extra I would gain a whole lot more functionality, including access to things like Atmos, and actually have current support from the manufacturers. Value for money just seems to be much lower than when the HD621 was launched given the current environment.

Can anyone convince me otherwise?

Cheer,

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#271591 - 2018-01-09 18:11 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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It is a 4k solution for the HD621 and nothing more.


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#271595 - 2018-01-09 19:57 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Anthony

Assuming you can comprehend that other people may want to keep their 861s and Gxx (Do you need to go from Digital to analogue and back to digital again in your suggested scenario?) then that would be a reason. This is a niche product that won't be benefiting from economies of scale. Yes its expensive. How much cheaper would you like it to be?

Are you going to buy the Marantz?

Cheers
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#271597 - 2018-01-09 20:49 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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i'd like it to be $750 w/ trade in. i know, i know, that's a shockingly cheap price in the M-verse, and yet it's still a lot in the real world given what it actually does (in 2018) given what's out there.


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#271598 - 2018-01-09 20:49 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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Originally Posted By GMT
Anthony

Assuming you can comprehend that other people may want to keep their 861s and Gxx (Do you need to go from Digital to analogue and back to digital again in your suggested scenario?) then that would be a reason. This is a niche product that won't be benefiting from economies of scale. Yes its expensive. How much cheaper would you like it to be?

Are you going to buy the Marantz?

Cheers
Tom


Not quite sure why the hostility but I will indulge you.

I can completely understand why someone may want to keep their existing Meridian processor. However I suggest that there are much more cost effective or value for money ways of incorporating HDMI 2.0 sources into an existing setup that already has an HD621. I suspect that most people who would be interested in a UHD722 already have an HD621.

I don't see how economies of scale are relevant when the important point is value for money. Any added cost of such a solution have as much to do with architectural decisions as anything else. As to price. Well £1000-1250 would seem reasonable with a final £750-1000 upgrade price. But reasonable is all subjective.

Of course I need to go from Digital to analogue and back to digital if I am to keep my DSPs. Can you comprehend why I may want to keep my existing DSPs???

It isn't my suggested scenario so much as Meridians. As to my purchasing decisions I don't feel obliged to comment but as I contended earlier I would get much more for my money (Including 7x HDMI 2.0 in and 2x out) if I sold my G61RSL/HD621 combination added the £1500 to the proceeds and then topped it up by £x. Unless the resale of the G61RSL/HD621 is next to nothing or the 271 is disproportionately expensive then that £x gets me a lot of value in my opinion. All I would then need to enjoy the new 3D formats would be 4x DSP320s.

In any case I asked a fair question if I was missing something and I now have my answer.

Many thanks,

Anthony.


Sources: MS600, G98DH, Oppo BDP-93, HTPC, Roon
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#271599 - 2018-01-09 20:53 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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the resale value of any G series plus HD621 is abysmal; one only has to take gander at my eBay/restaurant listing to confirm (current bid is $450 for a mint g68d with a few days to go).

in other words, you don't buy electronics expecting to not incur tremendous depreciation and the higher the high end, the greater the losses, esp in ultra-niche brands.

sad, but true.


edit: don't feel bad bc you could have bought an 861v1 in like 1997 for $20k, which in today's inflation adjusted world is like over $40k! and then you would have updated it up to 3 times and good luck unloading it for $2k in 2018 dollars cry grin laugh

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#271600 - 2018-01-09 21:36 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Originally Posted By Anthony-Howard
Not quite sure why the hostility but I will indulge you.
Apologies Anthony - I've been reading a number of messages on forums recently where there seems to be a threat of dumping a product/ not purchasing a subscription because there individual need isn't being met (as if it applies to everyone) - in this case not being able to see why other people would want this product regardless of the price. Its been grating for a while and you got the grumpy response.

Originally Posted By Anthony-Howard
I can completely understand why someone may want to keep their existing Meridian processor. However I suggest that there are much more cost effective or value for money ways of incorporating HDMI 2.0 sources into an existing setup that already has an HD621. I suspect that most people who would be interested in a UHD722 already have an HD621.

I don't see how economies of scale are relevant when the important point is value for money. Any added cost of such a solution have as much to do with architectural decisions as anything else. As to price. Well £1000-1250 would seem reasonable with a final £750-1000 upgrade price. But reasonable is all subjective.
We buy low volume hardware - R&D and custom components have a high overhead that isn't going to be covered by a small number of sales, so either you have an expensive product or no product for current processors.

Originally Posted By Anthony-Howard
Of course I need to go from Digital to analogue and back to digital if I am to keep my DSPs. Can you comprehend why I may want to keep my existing DSPs???
I can comprehend why you might want to keep your DSPs, speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to compromise my system by doing this. It feels like its defeating the object of having a digital system. Maybe the majority of people feel the same way.

Originally Posted By Anthony-Howard
It isn't my suggested scenario so much as Meridians. As to my purchasing decisions I don't feel obliged to comment but as I contended earlier I would get much more for my money (Including 7x HDMI 2.0 in and 2x out) if I sold my G61RSL/HD621 combination added the £1500 to the proceeds and then topped it up by £x. Unless the resale of the G61RSL/HD621 is next to nothing or the 271 is disproportionately expensive then that £x gets me a lot of value in my opinion. All I would then need to enjoy the new 3D formats would be 4x DSP320s.

In any case I asked a fair question if I was missing something and I now have my answer.
I can see why this could be seen as a good alternative and I'm sure that it would still sound good.

Cheers
Tom


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#271607 - 2018-01-09 22:16 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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Originally Posted By GMT
I can comprehend why you might want to keep your DSPs, speaking for myself, I wouldn't want to compromise my system by doing this. It feels like its defeating the object of having a digital system. Maybe the majority of people feel the same way.
In what way would I be compromising my existing system?

It does seem to defeat the object but it is the only relatively affordable solution (Or at least affordable to me) that Meridian are offering unless they would rather I get rid of my entire Meridian system. It isn't ideal but if I want 3D audio then it is only really a compromise when compared to Trinnov/Datasat/Storm and the compromise carries a sizeable cost benefit. Besides which what I lose in an added DA/AD conversion I might gain from other things such as Audyssey and DSD support. Even if it doesn't sound any better, and I would be happy with just as good, I gain a whole lot of added functionality. I suspect that not many people are in a position yet to be able to compare absolute sound quality between the two approaches though. Meridian certainly seem happy to put their name beside such a solution and demonstrate it accordingly.

I do however suspect that even if something like a Marantz was just a stopgap until a more affordable all digital solution comes along that such a solution is much more likely to come from another manufacturer in combination with a 271 than from an all Meridian system. In that sense I see the 271 as having greater longevity than a UHD722 which certainly gives it more appeal from a cost point of view. If only Meridian were to offer a similar HD621 to 271 trade.......

In any case this is veering from the topic of this thread somewhat.

Many thanks,

Anthony.


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#271608 - 2018-01-09 22:40 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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It sounds like it wouldn't compromise your system but for me and I expect a number of people that have bought into the Meridian philosophy, will feel that it is a compromise. If your preference is video rather than music then it may be less important.

This exert is from meridian-digital-signal-processing-dsp-path-white-paper

Digital audio technology is now widely regarded by industry experts as the best means to hear music in the home. Because music recorded digitally can be transmitted, even over long distances, and played back with no change from the original, like Morse code over a telegraph line.

Why is this important? Traditional analogue systems behave much like the childhood game in which each player repeats a whispered message into the next player’s ear, and so on down a chain. Each analogue link – turntable, amplifier, cable, speaker – whispers an analogy of what it hears to the next, but something is always lost or added. What emerges at the end, while charming, may not resemble the original message.

By contrast, digital audio first encodes music as digits – ones and zeros – in patterns describing specific sound waves. This is the binary language of computers, and it’s very difficult to mistake a one for a zero. No matter how long the chain, at its end, digital equipment listens only for patterns of those two digits, which it reassembles into music, ignoring all other whispered information as noise. Hence the crystal clarity of good digital sound: no detail lost, no noise added.

Paramount among audiophile truths is that music’s electronic journey to our ears should be as short and unadorned as possible; this preserves the fragile nuances of live performance. This is why, for example, audiophiles have long rejected analogue tone controls, correctly seeing them as electrical mazes where musical subtleties are lost or rearranged.

Yet the typical ‘purist hi-fi’ is hardly pure. Rather, it’s a confusion of components with varying reactive properties, tangled together through a rat’s nest of electrically whimsical cables. Each piece lengthens the path and damages delicate harmonic, phase and other relationships that contour music. The amusing irony is, these boxes and cables are generally assembled for tone control: each piece chosen for how its voice changes the message. Why not simply replace the whole corrupt chain with one transparent digital link, particularly if the music source is digital already?

At Meridian, that’s exactly what we did. In essence, we decided to convert the signal from a source into digital form as early as possible and at the highest level of quality (if it wasn’t already), then maintain that signal in digital form as long as possible before converting back to analogue (although the part of our hearing system from middle ear to brain is actually digital, analogue pressure waves carry the sound from a loudspeaker, through the air, to the ear). So in a complete Meridian system, the signal is only converted from digital to analogue immediately before it enters the amplifier.

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#271610 - 2018-01-09 22:55 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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Originally Posted By GMT
Apologies Anthony - I've been reading a number of messages on forums recently where there seems to be a threat of dumping a product/ not purchasing a subscription because there individual need isn't being met (as if it applies to everyone) - in this case not being able to see why other people would want this product regardless of the price. Its been grating for a while and you got the grumpy response.
The problem is Tom, Meridian's tight lipped approach to future products and where that leaves customers with a rather sizeable investment, starts to get seriously frustrating.
Many of us can only afford to move to the next item if the last one still has some decent value on the used market, currently the lack of confidence is seeing much of the Meridian product almost worthless.

Not sure if you were talking about the Tidal subscriptions?
But I was never knocking Tidal or Roon, far from it, I love them and happy to pay for it, my concern was, after buying some kit and using 'other' hifi forums I soon realised that I am a minority, many are not happy to pay for Roon or even pay for Tidal to get lossless. I was amazed at this.

I didn't realise the 271 was £1500, that is actually quite a keen price. Like you though I much prefer to keep it all digital, so prefer the idea of an HD722, although... having said that, when I got the HD621 I actually preferred the sound into my G68 via the analogue out of my Denon player over going digital-HD621-G68.
But, I would want to hear if there was any loss going from another brands pre out into a 271. My gut feeling is a little bit of the Meridian magic would be lost?


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#271611 - 2018-01-09 23:18 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: gIzzE]
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Did anyone manage to find out the spec of the HDMI inputs/outputs? Are they 2.0 or will they be the newly released 2.1?


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#271612 - 2018-01-09 23:22 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: gIzzE]
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Hi Guy

I can understand that frustration and no not a reference to your Tidal comments. If you go on the Roon forum every day someone says something like 'I can't believe Chromecast is not supported, I will be demanding my money back' or making the play button larger will push me into buying a lifetime subscription etc. After a while it starts to feel like the spoilt kid at school that threatens to go home if he doesn't get his way whilst not realising that nobody gives a [censored] if they go! (Not that I thought this of Anthony, just got me in a grump)

Cheers
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#271613 - 2018-01-09 23:35 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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Haha, "play button bigger".


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#271614 - 2018-01-09 23:57 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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I don't need to be patronised thanks. I bought into the Meridian ideology so don't need to be sold it. I already have it.

The fact that the 271 exists and has analogue inputs says much. I would rather an all digital solution but that is not exactly comparable in terms of costs and so is not affordable. So where is the compromise in the real world? I would suggest that aside from the obvious theoretical, which may or may not translate into something tangible in the real world, that any perceived compromise is just that until one can directly compare the two solutions. Has anybody outside of Meridian and maybe a few select partners/individuals done that?

I certainly have not but I am not naive enough to think that the G61RSL is so fantastic that any compromises caused by a DA/AD can't be made up for by other things in the system. Technology moves on and the G61RSL probably can't be considered either state of the art or class leading anymore. If there is a compromise then maybe it is more of an issue with an 861? Then again in 861 territory I wouldn't be considering a Marantz....

As it stands there are 5 options as I see it:

1. Keep things as they are.
2. Make HDMI 2.0 / 4K sources work with the G61RSL and forgo the audio formats that they bring in which case I can it much cheaper than a UHD722 unless I don't have an HD621 which I, and I suspect most other Meridian processor owners, do.
3. Put the UHD722 cost into an analogue 'compromised' 271 solution but gain lots of functionality if nothing else.
4. Put the UHD722 into a digital solution.
5. Move away from Meridian altogether.

If I want 3D audio then only options 3-5 are in the running. 4 is too expensive and 5 is undesirable which leaves option 3. What are the real world compromises with this? I doubt many can answer with experience including me but I suspect they are less than some would think and I lose nothing by having a listen. In any case this is way off the point now so I will stop but I still contend that the UHD722 looks damn expensive when the practical alternatives are considered. Like I said I can do similar UHD722 functionality much cheaper but if I want to spend that kind of money then a 271 opens up a world of 3D audio and is a different beast altogether. Why would I spend the money on a UHD722 to be constrained by my legacy EoL processor with its support of legacy formats? Lets be honest here when to get things like MQA I have to bypass it altogether I have to question its future so why would I want to buy into a UHD722 at the cost that it is just to try and keep it going a little longer? If I am happy to be stuck in a non 3D audio world my outlook might be different......

Many thanks,

Anthony.


Sources: MS600, G98DH, Oppo BDP-93, HTPC, Roon
Processors: G61RSL, HD621, Lumagen 4020
Speakers: DSP5200SL FL/FR, DSP5200VC C, DSP3200 SL/SR, DSP3200 RL/RR, DSW
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#271615 - 2018-01-10 00:11 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Anthony

Apologies again if you feel patronised that wasn't my intention. When you questioned the compromise I thought it would be easier to make my point by quoting the paper. As I said I don't think it will be a compromise to your system as it seems that your priorities are different to mine. I am not interested in 3D sound and I'm not certain that all potential UHD722 customers are either. I wouldn't read to much into the 271 having analogue inputs - these would have been primarily added for compatibility issues rather than to give the customer the option to take an analogue connection from a device that also has a digital one.

Maybe others will chip in.

Cheers
Tom


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#271616 - 2018-01-10 02:12 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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If we take the heat out of this conversation (God help us), it's a great example of us all having different priorities for our systems.

For my purposes:
1. When watching video, I'm currently 100% happy with the sound quality I get out of my system, and am not concerned about a lack of support for the newer formats. They might very well offer greater emotional engagement, but I don't feel a lack in that currently, so I'd welcome new formats, but won't be concerned if they don't arrive for a very long (i.e. typically M frame) period.

2. For music, I feel like we are still lightyears away from fully engaging home reproduction, with MQA being a very bright light that we're just beginning to benefit from. For me, gizzE's comment about M's silence really hits home as MQA support for the 861 is where I need M to go to make the platform worthwhile for the long term.


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#271617 - 2018-01-10 07:49 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Regarding the above discussion, I'm not clear why you would need the 722 if going down the 271 route. Surely you would partner the 271 with a processor which has all the functionality of the 722? I am surprised at the cost of the 722 given how little it does - you could get a Lumagen Pro model for not much more.

Edit: Sorry, I misread your post - I missed the 'cost' bit

The 271 has analogue inputs because the vast majority of partner processors don't have digital outputs. FWIW, in the instances where I have added an A-D conversion in the chain, I found the SQ impact to be negligible.


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#271619 - 2018-01-10 08:07 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Cliff.]
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I'd quite like to know if Meridian is doing any analysis of the analogue inputs (e.g. noise floor detection to recognize the (off-the-shelf) DAC used) to correct for that when re-digitizing. After all, they are very much the experts in this area. If they are, they should publish that info!


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#271622 - 2018-01-10 08:47 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: VirusKiller]
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It amazes me sometimes that some may feel hard done by the cost of the upgrade by comparing it with cheaper available alternatives, yet at other times they may have justified their choices of high end products based on sometimes marginal sound quality improvements.

The only investment in Meridian audio products is the time and emotion in getting it setup, looking nice and sounding in a way to justify the financial expense - you cannot even justify the looking nice with some kit now unless you install it neatly out of sight. Anything monetary should be treated as if throwing it down a wishing well.


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#271623 - 2018-01-10 09:06 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ian]
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The big difference though was, we paid Meridian money to be at the forefront of digital technology, it was a price you paid if you wanted to be at the cutting edge.

Now we are paying for...........?


I'm not saying we are not getting something special, just that it would be nice if they told us we were or not.


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#271625 - 2018-01-10 11:36 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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#271628 - 2018-01-10 12:40 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Syles]
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....zzz. Anyway thanks Rick for the information.


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#271640 - 2018-01-10 16:48 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Bee]
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Originally Posted By Bee
Did anyone manage to find out the spec of the hdmi inputs/outputs? Are they 2.0 or will they be the newly released 2.1?


Hi Edd,

The two HDMI outputs are different specifications, one is HDMI 1.4, the other HDMI 2.0.
All the 7 inputs are HDMI 2.0

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#271646 - 2018-01-10 18:23 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Will the HDMI 2.0 chipset be firmware upgradable to 2.1 when available?


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#271651 - 2018-01-10 18:58 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ian]
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It amazes me sometimes that some may feel hard done by the cost of the upgrade by comparing it with cheaper available alternatives, yet at other times they may have justified their choices of high end products based on sometimes marginal sound quality improvements.

It's not the cost of the upgrade, it's not knowing what's coming next. That can be said for any manufacturer, but with Meridian it's become a little annoying over the past few years. When I bought into Meridian I knew they'd be among the first to bring new technology into my home. These days, they're years behind others. I'd happily buy the 722 for retail if they'd tell me I could still use with with a 861v10 or a new processor that supports the new formats and that such a processor is in the works, even if it takes them another two years or so to release it. But at this point I have to assume that when (if) a Meridian solution arrives one day, it might require to replace the 722 again, be it for decoding the new formats or simply pass through the bitstream via MMHR.

Given that 4k switching in an external box hooked up to an existing HD621 can be done for under £250, it might be the better temporary solution (again, we don't know if the 722 will have to be replaced "soon").
The fact that the 271 is available for the same price as the 722 with trade-in is tempting for those who want the new formats and it's probably what I'd do if I wanted the new formats right now and a Marantz processor isn't that expensive and would probably make a good temporary solution until Meridian comes up with a solution of their own. If that's not gonna happen, then any "cheap" processor can still be replaced by Trinnov/Datasat/whatever for a fully digital system.


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#271652 - 2018-01-10 19:14 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Stephan]
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Originally Posted By Stephan
It's not the cost of the upgrade, it's not knowing what's coming next. That can be said for any manufacturer, but with Meridian it's become a little annoying over the past few years. When I bought into Meridian I knew they'd be among the first to bring new technology into my home. These days, they're years behind others. I'd happily buy the 722 for retail if they'd tell me I could still use with with a 861v10 or a new processor that supports the new formats and that such a processor is in the works, even if it takes them another two years or so to release it.
Well said. I don't understand why they can't at this crucial (it seems to me) juncture, share some information about their intentions. At the moment it's anyone's guess whether they will be in the processor market at all after the 861v8.


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#271665 - 2018-01-11 07:56 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ludwig]
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Was it HDMI 2.0a or 2.0b?

Was cost mentioned?


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#271666 - 2018-01-11 08:06 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Crion]
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No information on the HDMI version, costs are stated earlier in this thread, £2000 less £500 trade in for HD621 if you chose to.


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#271667 - 2018-01-11 09:13 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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Quick question... I haven't updated MConfig in *many* years as it works "as is" with all my existing kit. I'm assuming I'll have to update though if I want to use the 722, but am wondering whether this will break my setup?!

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#271668 - 2018-01-11 09:25 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Mark_H]
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Hi Mark

Yes you will have to update it, can you download the latest version onto a different Windows PC and then try to open your current config file with it?


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#271670 - 2018-01-11 10:08 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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Yep, will try before I buy!

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#271683 - 2018-01-11 15:32 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Mark_H]
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I am very chocked by the price tag requested for the UHD722 vs the functions it delivers... HDMI 2.0 not 2.1.

I really don t know what to do with my Meridian system, I feel abandoned by Meridian, I spent sooooo much money, and honestly not benefiting a lot from it.

That is my whining time ... but discovering the price tag of 2000 pounds for a simple HDMI switch... wow!


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#271684 - 2018-01-11 15:46 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Sapiens]
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+1

wow is an understatement. seriously.

$750 w/ trade in is already seriously pushing it, given that r&d for this kind of switcher box has been done years upon years ago and the HDMI tech is ubiquitous, while mmhr just can't command the premium it did when the HD621 was released.

just bc you're conditioned to being fleeced, doesn't make it right for every stop-gap product release.

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#271685 - 2018-01-11 15:53 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: _M_]
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What's the alternative product that supports Meridian processors?

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#271687 - 2018-01-11 16:02 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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I agree with _M_ With the apparent loss of value in Meridian used kit and lack of any roadmap to let people know if Meridian will even be in the surround processor market in the future, this kind of pricing makes people consider alternative products.


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#271688 - 2018-01-11 16:07 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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I agree - So what are the alternatives if you want to keep an M processor?


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#271689 - 2018-01-11 16:14 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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Well if you don’t want the new codecs stick with the HD621.

Personally I sold my Meridian surround setup and went Meridian 2 channel with a view to putting a Japanese surround processor in, however, after a few months of faffing about I realised I didn’t miss the surround at all and just connected the stereo pair to my front speakers admittedly they were DSP8000SE’s. However they have now been sold and for movies I use an LG ‘Atmos’ soundbar which is more than sufficient for my needs YMMV.

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#271690 - 2018-01-11 16:26 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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What if I want 4k and don't care about the new codecs, but still want 5.1 surround?
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#271691 - 2018-01-11 16:28 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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Would the UHD722 carries lower jitter than the HD621?


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#271692 - 2018-01-11 16:28 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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Originally Posted By GMT
What's the alternative product that supports Meridian processors?
Well if your just needing it for Bluray/UHDand own the Oppo 203 you can fit the Vanity 203 HD card and use anybody's 4K HDMI splitter.


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#271693 - 2018-01-11 16:30 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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You could just buy a Oppo 203 (700 USD), using the second HDMI output (audio only) to feed your HD621.


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#271694 - 2018-01-11 16:39 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Albert]
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Great suggestion Albert, Oppo 203 is a superb machine.


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#271695 - 2018-01-11 16:44 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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Can I run multiple 4K sources through the Oppo? (which I don’t own) smile

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#271696 - 2018-01-11 16:51 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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Here is an Oppo 203 review

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Around the back is a hugely impressive selection of ports. You get two HDMI outputs (one 1.4 for audio only and the other 2.0 for video and audio) and a single HDMI 2.0 input with HDCP 2.2, so you can hook up a Chromecast or Amazon Fire Stick to add smart features.

There are optical and coaxial digital audio outputs, a pair of USB 3.0 ports for connecting hard disks and thumb drives and eight phono output ports for surround sound connection to older home theatre receivers.


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#271697 - 2018-01-11 17:03 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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Looks interesting .. There seemed to be an HDMI in but no reference to it in the review. I'm guessing multiple 4K sources would have to include an extra 4K switch as well.

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#271698 - 2018-01-11 17:11 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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I guess so, I just use mine for playing BD and as a Roon endpoint smile


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#271699 - 2018-01-11 17:19 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Albert]
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Originally Posted By Albert
Would the UHD722 carries lower jitter than the HD621?
It could possibly be just by updating the HDMI chipset from 1.4 to 2.0 level if jitter wins have been made in the HDMI chipset designs over the years. If we are able to detect it that is a different story.

It would have been nice if they would have a linear PSU in it though since that usually keeps noise even lower and is more listenable to the ear. Since this thing actually costs 2000£ and goes into high-end setups.


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#271700 - 2018-01-11 17:24 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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If you mean 4k game, the latency will be too long, what else?
For Netflix 4k, I think you could directly connect to your HD621.


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#271705 - 2018-01-11 19:01 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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What if I want 4k and don't care about the new codecs, but still want 5.1 surround?
You can either buy a source with two HDMI outputs, where one output is used for audio to the HD621 or...
buy a HDFURY (Integral or Vertex) to remove all the handshaking/copy protection nonesense. That way your source will work with the HD621 and not tell you that a non-compatible device is connected.

One output goes to the TV/projector, the other into the HD621. The video connection from the HD621 to the TV/projector is not required anymore. If you need more inputs, then add an additional HDMI switch before the HDFURY. If you have a single programmable remote, this is really no different than using the regular M remote, even though you're hiding one/two additional devices in the rack.


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#271706 - 2018-01-11 19:02 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Sapiens]
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Hi All,

Reading the comments a few seem to have missed the pertinent role of the HD621 and UDP722.

These aren't HDMI switches.
(Well they are, I know, but I shall explain)

They are designed as Meridian's way to get the best sound from Blu-ray.
Think of them as a box containing the 'special sauce' that Meridian would have added into a Meridian Blu-ray if they had made one.

They take the multi-channel PCM soundtrack from DTS Master and Dolby True-HD off the HDMI signal, upsample and apodise it to 96/24, and pass it on to the surround controller.
This job is done in the HD621/UHD722 as it keeps the jittery HDMI signal away from the other signals in the controller, and as soon as possible in the chain to maximise performance.

It's more by way of convenience that they have multiple HDMI inputs, but that's not their raison d'etre.

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#271710 - 2018-01-11 20:07 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Can I just clarify that if you have two 4k display devices - I have an LG OLED TV and Optoma UHD Projector in the same room - the UHD722 will not supply 4k to both?

Thanks,

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Hi Richard,

The HDMI 1.4 socket on the UHD722 does allow 4k, but not HDR which I expect both your display devices will handle,
nor HDCP2.2 which they may well both expect.

So you'll need to use the HDMI 2.0 output of the UHD722 and then split it to your two displays.

This Wyrestorm HDMI Splitter, which we sell, would do the job.

Cheers,
Rick


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#271713 - 2018-01-11 20:52 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Hi Rick

Thanks for explaining, I assume the board used in the UHD722 is bought in and so Meridian are stuck with 1x HDMI 1.4 and 1x HDMI 2.0 outputs, not what you would ideally choose to have.

Russ


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#271730 - 2018-01-12 12:44 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Fitcaz]
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I understand the frustrations of those questioning whether it's the end of the road for the 861 or not. I'd like to know too!

If v8 is the last upgrade for the 861, I'm still happy to buy the UHD722 so I can install a 4K projector and get another 4-5 years out of the 861. I don't know of anything else that would give me better sound for 2-channel (love Trifield) and surround sound than the 861v8.


Rather than invest in equipment for movie audio formats that may or may not make it in the long run, I'll stick with what's proven to me for now. I don't need to chase every new format with large investments into gear. M has a smart approach in working on making the proven / standard audio formats sound better than anyone and ignoring the noise. I'm a music lover first, so the sound with movies is just the icing on the cake for me.

I have a HD621 to trade in. What is the UHD722 cost and HD621 trade-in value in the states?

Is a group buy being setup?


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#271731 - 2018-01-12 12:51 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
Hi Rick
Thanks for explaining, I assume the board used in the UHD722 is bought in and so Meridian are stuck with 1x HDMI 1.4 and 1x HDMI 2.0 outputs, not what you would ideally choose to have.
Russ
Hi Russ,

Yes the HDMI video is bought as a complete board, and was of the highest specification available off the shelf.
Meridian could have fitted a bespoke one to a higher specification but that would have made the UHD722 much more expensive.

Rick


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#271734 - 2018-01-12 14:13 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: SomeGuy]
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+1

For me I don't really care the modern codec things, but hope M can add modern RC to the 861, actually I feel the MRC was a very good start, why not carry on?

I visited a local friend with new installed Arcam 860, sound wise I think it can not even beat the 568.2, but the DIRAC (impulse correction) really impressed me, we watched the David Fuster with his friend, heard the bass I never heard on my system.

Sorry for the off topic


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#271785 - 2018-01-13 11:50 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
All I wanted was vanilla DD/DTS decoding... frown
Quite. It would have been a reason for me to purchase the original HD621 too. Was the cost of licensing (sorry I cannot find the reference) really the deal-breaker on this facility?

Kalman Rubinson's experiments with multichannel MQA suggest that they may become a commercial possibility. HDMI seems like a reasonable choice (commercially, not technically, given its ubiquity on disc players and streaming end-points) for delivering multi-channel MQA files. I was rather hoping for the UHD722 to offer some hints about MQA-related facilities.


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#271813 - 2018-01-13 19:56 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Gianni]
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Originally Posted By Stephan
You can either buy a source with two HDMI outputs, where one output is used for audio to the HD621 or...
buy a HDFURY (Integral or Vertex) to remove all the handshaking/copy protection nonesense. That way your source will work with the HD621 and not tell you that a non-compatible device is connected.
That's not bad, but you could end up with three devices and limited comms. One to consider though.

Originally Posted By albert
If you mean 4k game, the latency will be too long, what else?
For Netflix 4k, I think you could directly connect to your HD621.
A PC, Chromecast and future games consoles and future Amazon devices (sorry _M_) laugh .

Cheers
Tom


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#271831 - 2018-01-14 15:11 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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In the US (and maybe everywhere) The trade in promotion expires on April 30th 2018.

You must supply your serial number of your trade in unit so that everything processes correctly. Trade in units must be taken in by the dealer and returned to Meridian within 30 days after receipt of the UHD722.

Units will receive a $800.00 trade in value unless purchased after September of 2017 at which those units will receive full retail credit. As this will be a very popular promotion with a limited duration, it is encouraged that those who wish to take advantage of this promotion do so quickly.

Group buys or other incentives will vary by dealer...


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#271832 - 2018-01-14 15:51 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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will Meridian do a fire pit ceremony burning all of those HD621's in a ritual sacrifice to the gods that allow for them to fleece their most loyal supporters?

i'm starting to think they jacked up the price of the 722 with this promo trade-in. it's like having a "sale" whereby you mark up the regular prices only to barely discount them, if at all. grin cool


hurry up! time is running out on this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity!


edit: the pricing is clearly a direct function of the relatively inelastic demand for the 722 for those that currently have M processors; a gambit that could backfire.


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#271837 - 2018-01-14 20:49 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: _M_]
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I have owned the HD621 for 6 plus years and for M to offer me any kind of a trade in on it I feel is generous.

If someone purchased it within the last year they can get a full retail trade in that’s also very generous (regardless of the cost of the replacement product).

Not too many audio companies do that.


My M gear: 861v8 with ID41, 800v3, HD621, 8000.1(SEs),7200.1(SE),320s,3200s,5500s ,SW5500s ,MS200 (2nd zone),218.
Other: JVC RS-500 projector, Prismasonic HD-5000 anamorphic lens, Panasonic UB900, Oppo BDP-103D, QNAP TS-251 (M core and store).
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#271838 - 2018-01-14 20:53 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: JOE-C]
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"Not too many audio company" sell a 1/2 2.0 HDMI switch for 2000£ ...


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#271841 - 2018-01-14 21:17 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Sapiens]
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That's right, and NO company sells one that does what the UHD722 will do with your Meridian system. Please keep in mind, the HD621 from the time it was introduced in 2008 until 2015 was $3000.00 MSRP.

Meridian is offering a $800.00 trade in credit for something that can be as much as 10 years old. That really isn't a bad deal for those who paid full retail. It is and even better deal for those who got them second hand and aren't losing that much on the the deal.


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#271844 - 2018-01-14 22:05 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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What was the retail price of the HD621 last September?


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Living room: DSP5k, DSP52kC, SW1600, G68, Sooloos MC600 (Zone 1)
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#271845 - 2018-01-14 22:18 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jdb-si]
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It has been $2000.00 since 2015.


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#271848 - 2018-01-15 02:16 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Agreed that high-end audio video equipment (including Meridian's) is disproportionately expensive (high dev costs carried by few units sold).

On the other hand, Meridian, unlike the vast majority of other high-end companies offer upgrade paths for some of their products. As for me, I'm VERY happy that they do, even if the upgrade path sometimes hurts a little. At least it's there.


Living room: 818v3, Audio Research VS 110, Maggie 1.6, REL sub
A/V room: 861v8, DSP7200SE L/R/C, 4x DSP320 surrounds, ID41 + Roon, UHD722, Prime+PS
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#271849 - 2018-01-15 06:55 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Akimo]
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Also, unlike most high-end audio companies, Meridian makes some mainstream products (Explorer etc) & has its car-related business which will presumably give it another income stream.


Audio: MC200, G61R SL, HD621, DSP5500, 5500HC, DSP3100. Subs: 2 x REL G2.
Video: JVC X70, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen 129"(2.35).

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#271869 - 2018-01-15 17:48 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Not'arf]
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I’ve owned my HD621 for eight years and it cost me £1,000, so £63 for each year of faultless ownership were I to upgrade now. Not too shabby really.

Fujifilm and Leica are the only companies I can think of that squeeze longevity out of sold products like Meridian do. Meridian don’t always come up trumps on the development front, but their products have always been bombproof for me and incredible value too.

I appreciate not everyone will have this experience, but I would like to express my support where it’s due smile

Thanks,
Mat


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#271871 - 2018-01-15 18:10 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Mat]
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I didn't have this luck with my HD621, I had to change the board, it costed me couple of years ago more than what is Meridian offering for it ...

I still don't understand the use of this switch. I stream music, I stream TV (4K cable Box), I stream movies (Netflix and other paid providers) and I don't own a Bluray player (and never will). In what sense would I benefit from this UHD722? If you could help, maybe I am mistaken here.


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#271872 - 2018-01-15 18:36 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Sapiens]
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If you own a HD621 the basic switching functionalty is the same. The UHD722 will pass 4k HDR, HDMI 2.0, and HDCP 2.2 which the HD621 will not.


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#271873 - 2018-01-15 18:48 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Sapiens]
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Sapiens, you are like me. Need some ARC functionality. I currently route the sound from my TV using ARC to my Oppo and then from the Oppo to my HD621. For me the UHD722 won’t offer much (other than looks) on top of this as the Oppo has two HDMI outputs.


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#271884 - 2018-01-16 13:13 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Mat]
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Have followed this thread with interest particularly Rick's ability to provide connectivity from Trinnov DB25 to DSP RJ45s. I'm afraid a new Trinnov / 271 solution is beyond my means at the mo.

Just felt I needed to add my thoughts to Mat's re ownership of M kit. Had my HD621 and the rest of the M kit for a number of years now and very happy with my Meridian system. Hadn't realised when I got Sky Q that 4k wouldn't go through the HD621 so I've been waiting for the UHD722 and am happy with the trade in offer. The 722 will do what I require for Sky Q 4k and Oppo 203 (when I pick one up from Rick). The 722 may be a bit pricey but it's bespoke M kit and with the trade-in it's good value (IMHO of course).

Only had one minor psu fault with a previous G61R but Rick sorted me out quickly with a replacement.

As Mat says this may not be everbody's views but I'm happy with it and more importantly my wife appreciates the whole setup as well!

Cheers
Bob


G61RSL, UHD722, 5200s, 5200HC, 3200s, DSW, Sony 55X8509, Sky Q Silver, Oppo 105, Oppo 203
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#271904 - 2018-01-16 19:15 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: QuantumBob]
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Now I may be being thicker than a whale omelette but what other sources do you have? Why can't you just route the Sky Q though the HDMI input on the Oppo 203 and use it's HDMI audio output into the HD621? At the worst case you might need an extra HDMI cable but surely you can find one for less than the £1500 UHD722 upgrade cost???


Sources: MS600, G98DH, Oppo BDP-93, HTPC, Roon
Processors: G61RSL, HD621, Lumagen 4020
Speakers: DSP5200SL FL/FR, DSP5200VC C, DSP3200 SL/SR, DSP3200 RL/RR, DSW
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#271908 - 2018-01-16 20:56 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Yes I fully realise that but didn't put it in the post...
I may have future 4k sources.
Just trying to be friendly with my post...


G61RSL, UHD722, 5200s, 5200HC, 3200s, DSW, Sony 55X8509, Sky Q Silver, Oppo 105, Oppo 203
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#271919 - 2018-01-17 04:41 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: QuantumBob]
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AU$3499 trade in value here until April 30th then it goes back up to AU$4999.


Theatre Room: Sony 4K VW500ES, 861v8+ID41, HD621, DSP6000's, DSP5000C, DSP5000's, Oppo 205, Sat STB, XBox One S, Middle Atlantic Rack. Stewart Cinemascope Screen, QNAP TVS 1271U-RP (96TB) with Sooloos/Roon core pkg.

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#271920 - 2018-01-17 06:01 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Craig]
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Originally Posted By Craig
AU$3499 trade in value here until April 30th then it goes back up to AU$4999
Where did you see that @Craig?


Main system: 861v6, HD621, Oppo 103D, DSP8000.2, DSP5200HC, DSP3200, SGR Sub
Family room: Control:15, DSP5200
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#271961 - 2018-01-18 01:54 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Mr_Gimlet]
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#272184 - 2018-01-23 10:09 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Craig]
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Flatpanels HD interview with HDMI Forum about 2.1 features addable via firmware

Quote:
When FlatpanelsHD met HDMI Forum’s CEO Rob Tobias and Marketing Director Brad Bramy at CES 2018, the team highlighted VRR (Variable Refresh Rate), QMS (Quick Media Switching) and eARC (enhanced Audio Return Channel) as examples of features that can be added via a firmware update.
As a reminder, these are the official descriptions for VRR, QMS and eARC.

Variable Refresh Rate (VRR) reduces or eliminates lag, stutter and frame tearing for more fluid and better detailed gameplay.
Quick Media Switching (QMS) for movies and video eliminates the delay that can result in blank screens before content is displayed.
eARC simplifies connectivity, provides greater ease of use and supports the most advanced audio formats and highest audio quality. It supports objects-based audio formats such as Dolby Atmos and DTS:X.


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#272185 - 2018-01-23 10:35 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Crion]
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Hello Crion,

Are you saying that all these features will be available in the UHD722?

Thanks


G65, 598DP, HD621, DSP5200SE Front LR&C, cable TV
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#272187 - 2018-01-23 11:21 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Sapiens]
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I'm not sure he is, as the UHD722 only appears to have HDMI 2.0 rather than 2.1.


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#272189 - 2018-01-23 11:52 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: dpstjp]
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I’m just quoting the HDMI forum on the matter that the manufacturer may opt to release firmware enabling certain features from the HDMI 2.1 set onto 2.0 devices. In this example they were referring to panels.

This is certainly interesting and help the product to stay more current. If you remember 3D wad released as a FW feature by Meridian for HD621 in a similar way.


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#272191 - 2018-01-23 12:21 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Crion]
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The UHD722 is only an HDMI switch, why does it need to be upgradable? whistle


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#272192 - 2018-01-23 12:35 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ian]
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#272198 - 2018-01-23 15:59 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
The UHD722 is only an HDMI switch, why does it need to be upgradable? whistle
Because the UHD722 is only HDMI 2.0 and 2.1 isn't available yet and this covers all the bases for the foreseeable future.


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#272203 - 2018-01-23 16:26 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jon Raines]
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#272204 - 2018-01-23 16:27 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ian]
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The UHD722 is only an HDMI switch, why does it need to be upgradable? whistle
I think the example of the HD621 and adding the ability to process 3D is a good example of why this is important.

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#272212 - 2018-01-23 18:06 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ian]
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The UHD722 is only an HDMI switch, why does it need to be upgradable? whistle
Because when you add new device next year it would be nice if your £2000 switcher still worked?


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#272215 - 2018-01-23 18:58 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: gIzzE]
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Can someone clarify, because it's unclear to me smile Can these 2.1 features be added to 2.0 devices, or is 2.1 completely different silicon?


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#272224 - 2018-01-23 22:05 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: VirusKiller]
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Can these 2.1 features be added to 2.0 devices, or is 2.1 completely different silicon?
It appears so. "Version 2.1 of the HDMI Specification is backward compatible with earlier versions of the Specification and is available to all HDMI 2.0 Adopters".

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#272226 - 2018-01-24 00:16 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Meridialien]
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Think the question is whether 2.0 is upgradable with just firmware, ie do they have identical hardware specifications?


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#272239 - 2018-01-24 07:53 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jaapaap]
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I suspect the answer is, some of the features of 2.1 are potentially available via firmware updates, while others will require a hardware change. For example, I will be very surprised if the current chips support passthrough at the 45 Gbps speed defined in the 2.1 spec. (In the Lumagen Pro models, a hardware change is required to go from 9 to 18 Gbps.)


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#272246 - 2018-01-24 13:32 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Cliff.]
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Both the new Denon and Marantz receivers 'should' be able to be firmware updated to 2.1 . If that is indeed possible then it would be preferable if UHD722 could too.

It's probably too early for anyone to say definitively yet.

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#272247 - 2018-01-24 14:13 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Meridialien]
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You have to be very careful with such claims. I had a chat recently with someone in the video calibration industry and he stated that for manufactures to call a device HDMI2.1, it just needs to support one of the 2.1 features. Thus, if you add dynamic metadata on HDR10+ as per HDMI2.1 spec with a firmware update, you entitled to call it 2.1. Supporting 8K at 120Hz is another matter.


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#272259 - 2018-01-24 18:42 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ian]
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Originally Posted By Ian
The UHD722 is only an HDMI switch, why does it need to be upgradable? whistle
While I agree that it should be as upgradable as possible, possibly one of the most interesting features of HDMI2.1 is of no real value to M owners, that that's eARC frown


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#272261 - 2018-01-24 21:38 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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I disagree. HDMI 2.1 and eARC open up the possibility of decoding the new codecs externally and sending the uncompressed LPCM stream over HDMI into a UHD722 for audio extraction into MMHR. Meridian have always stated that the 861 architecture was capable of supporting more LPCM channels when required. My 861v2 many years ago even had little stickers to label the channels!

An HDMI 2.1 UHDxxx capable of receiving 16 uncompressed LPCM channels over HDMI and outputting them over 2x MMHR connections to an upgraded 861 or future G series product. Well now, that would be worth the £1,500 upgrade cost. I might even pay the full £2,000 for it. It even fits into the current Meridian ethos of decoding elsewhere and keeping Video out of the processors.

As for any upgrades to the HDMI 2.0 of the UHD722 to make it HDMI 2.1 compatible I suspect that any features that could be added would be subject to a trade-off between features and bandwidth. In any case even if any firmware upgrades were possible the real question is if they are within the gift of Meridian to provide or would they depend on a 3rd party given that the solution was largely bought in.

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#272262 - 2018-01-24 22:49 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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In theory, there is a possibility I grant you, but I will give you 50 whole pounds of the realm if *any* current Meridian product is *ever* upgraded to accept and output more than 8 channels. The G65 can't even accept 8 now!

Besides, wouldn't this decoder sit upstream of the UHDxxx and be part of the HDMI-CEC and eARC conversation with TV and sources, just outputting up to 32 channels of PCM down the HDMI 2.0 cable, thus the UHDxxx still takes no benefit of supporting eARC.

Sorry, I'm being negative again frown


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#272264 - 2018-01-24 23:42 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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I don't disagree. I think just like Sooloos that Meridian’s surround processor business is dead. I would be surprised if they sell even a handful of processors this year and for that matter if they did last year. Should they choose to reenter the market I fear that it will be many a year and I doubt that they have the capability to catch up with the competition. I suspect that the inability of the G65 to accept 8 channel was more of a marketing decision than an architectural one but agree that it is unlikely we will see greater than 8 channel support in even the 861.

Which is the whole problem with the UHD722 in that it is a dead-end given the state of Meridian’s legacy surround sound portfolio. When I bought my HD621 Meridian’s surround sound offering still had potential and was very much alive which made it much better value for money then than the UHD722 is today. I might pay the £1,500 if Meridian’s surround sound portfolio was still relevant and had a future. It would be even more terrible if by the time Meridian’s HDMI 2.0 solution actually comes to market others are shipping HDMI 2.1.

As an aside I may be wrong about eARC but aside from the other gubbins it is my understanding that it is the 37Mbps bandwidth of eARC that facilitates the ability to send the up to 32 channels of uncompressed LPCM data and you can't just send it down HDMI 2.0. The ability to return these channels over a single cable opens up the possibility of decoding in a location other than the source and would preclude the need for a physical loop topology.

Many thanks,

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#272265 - 2018-01-24 23:56 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Originally Posted By Anthony-Howard
I suspect that the inability of the G65 to accept 8 channel was more of a marketing decision than an architectural one
I suspect the G65 is basically a heavily upgraded G68 and still maintains the same basic architecture, but that's just my guess/cynicism.

Originally Posted By Anthony-Howard
As an aside I may be wrong about eARC but aside from the other gubbins it is my understanding that it is the 37Mbps bandwidth of eARC that facilitates the ability to send the up to 32 channels of uncompressed LPCM data and you can't just send it down HDMI 2.0. The ability to return these channels over a single cable opens up the possibility of decoding in a location other than the source and would preclude the need for a physical loop topolog
*sigh* it can be a real challenge for the layman to work out quite what the specifications of these different standards are.

I *think* that HDMI2.0 supports up to 32 channels of LPCM at various bitrates. However, that's not the same as saying eARC supports that. after all, HDMI 1.4 supports 8 channels of LPCM but only 2 channels (or a DD/DTS stream) via ARC. I had thought that eARC supported on the return channel what HDMI 1.4 supports now, i.e. 8 channels of LPCM, truehd, DTS-MA and atmos etc, but that's only a semi-educated guess...

I think the real advantage of ARC and eARC is that it allows an amp/receiver to be an audio only device. no need to handle video at all. That's the approach Naim is taking with their new Uniti amps. a single HDMI ARC port so you can connect it to a TV and CEC support so it can be remotely controlled. I'm hoping to have one by tomorrow night...


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#272266 - 2018-01-25 06:31 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Should they choose to reenter the market I fear that it will be many a year and I doubt that they have the capability to catch up with the competition.
Curious, which competition you mean?


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#272267 - 2018-01-25 06:40 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Albert]
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Originally Posted By Albert
I visited a local friend with new installed Arcam 860, sound wise I think it can not even beat the 568.2, but the DIRAC (impulse correction) really impressed me, we watched the David Fuster with his friend, heard the bass I never heard on my system.
Update, I was back to my friend's home with my 861 yesterday. My friend's jaw off ground as soon as the sound come out, I also heard the bass which I never heard in my system, so sadly it is just because of the room.


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#272272 - 2018-01-25 11:52 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Albert]
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Originally Posted By Anthony-Howard
Should they choose to reenter the market I fear that it will be many a year and I doubt that they have the capability to catch up with the competition.
Curious,which competition you mean?
Trinnov , Storm , Datasat , Theta , Anthem , Denon Marantz and just about any Atmos licencee.

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#272475 - 2018-01-30 20:09 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Anthony-Howard]
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Originally Posted By Anthony-Howard
Now I may be being thicker than a whale omelette but what other sources do you have? Why can't you just route the Sky Q though the HDMI input on the Oppo 203 and use it's HDMI audio output into the HD621? At the worst case you might need an extra HDMI cable but surely you can find one for less than the £1500 UHD722 upgrade cost???
This is the best advice I've heard. I did a bit of research and I think some people had trouble passing HDR content through this input. Still researching. For me two 4k devices would be a reasonable stop gap measure. But I would want both to pass HDR.


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#272494 - 2018-01-31 11:25 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Sam Edwards]
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Sky doesn't currently support 4K HDR at the moment. I believe it will be a hardware upgrade as well. As a stop gap, it would be a sensible solution.

I am upgrading to Virgin Media v6 which IS HDR, but of course they don't have HDR material.

This whole 4K world really is bonkers.

I'll pass on the UHD722 for now. IMHO, the price point is simply too high. Just my 2 cents.

And my telly has 3 HDMI ports anyway which is enough, and apart from the Oppo, most of my sources don't have lossless soundtracks so it's of questionable benefit.

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#272546 - 2018-02-01 14:40 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Greg Wright]
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Thank you to all the thoughtful insights in the thread.

My take on the UHD722 is it's not really aimed at many here. It strikes me that Meridian's business case has moved to integration and 2 channel. And the funny thing is - in general I prefer to watch/listen to TV in 2 channel. I really don't care about surround anymore. Though, if I were designing a new room, I would want surround just "because" (as in it would be almost silly not to). But because of that, and because I think Meridian's advantages become more and more apparent with music, this is a sensible move on their part. In my case, my room was designed and setup for movies and the UHD722 doesn't add anything new for me. It would have been nice to have onboard decoding, but it seems Meridian just isn't interested in that sort of thing anymore.

It's disappointing because I remember the Meridian that was really doing so many exciting things, and I really enjoyed that. But, the world changes, and to their credit they have remained in business and support the legacy products we have. So we have to just accept that things change. However, although things do change, I wouldn't want to say Meridian doesn't care - I think they do care. Hence products like the one that lets you connect another surround processor to their speakers.


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#272553 - 2018-02-01 17:02 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: JerryL]
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A trade up promotion is a nice thing, but TBH, it would have to be the best part of a swap not to result in some moaning. wink

The way I see it, the UHD722 is a more up-to-date version of the HD621, primarily for those that don't have a HD621. If you have a HD621, there are other (cheaper) solutions, as have been discussed in this thread.

At least it's a new product though... Here's hoping for many more (and product updates) in the more traditional "hi-fi" space.


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#272698 - 2018-02-05 17:44 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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An HD621 just sold on eBay for less than $600.00. The $800.00 trade in is looking better and better


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#272724 - 2018-02-06 10:07 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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An HD621 just sold on eBay UK for £571, from a dealer. The matching G68ADV went for £750 crazy

Do we have any idea what is going to happen to all those perfectly functional HD621s which are being traded in?


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#272752 - 2018-02-06 19:23 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Gianni]
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Originally Posted By Gianni
Do we have any idea what is going to happen to all those perfectly functional HD621s which are being traded in?
I was wondering that myself...


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#272762 - 2018-02-07 00:35 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Originally Posted By CMB Integrations - Bruce
A HD621 just sold on eBay for less than $600.00. The $800.00 trade in is looking better and better
Wow! I did not think the prices would drop this fast.


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#272769 - 2018-02-07 09:35 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jdb-si]
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Watching Meridian kit here and elsewhere, the used prices achieved seem to be in the order of 25-33% of original retail with last generation processors at the lower end and DSPs at the higher end. The trade-in deal does seem to be pitched at about the Goldilocks point.

To me, a used HD621 might be worth ~£300 because it is just a very high quality HDMI switch with comms integration*. If dealers were to knock out the trade-ins for a bit more than that it might save a few perfectly good devices ending up as rubbish and recoup some of that trade-in value (which is presumably being underwritten to some extent by Meridian).


* I last watched a Bluray disk around three years ago, others may have greater need for the HD621's USP functionality.


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#272787 - 2018-02-07 15:59 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Gianni]
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The HD621 traded back in will be shipped to Meridian and scrapped.

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#272794 - 2018-02-07 16:54 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Originally Posted By AudioImages - Rick
The HD621 traded back in will be shipped to Meridian and scrapped.
That’s just wasteful!
Is the HD621 to be discontinued?


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#272795 - 2018-02-07 16:56 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: bxd]
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If HD621’s were DVD ROM drives we would all be in clover....


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#272797 - 2018-02-07 16:59 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Originally Posted By AudioImages - Rick
The HD621 traded back in will be shipped to Meridian and scrapped.
This, as a commercial decision seems to thwart the aspirations of those who wish to aspire to a personal higher M level. I am sure there are many out there who would appreciate ownership of an HD621 at a reasonable price. However, M non SOTA in this area still has a value.

Seems a shame to assign HD621 to the scrap bin, but that's life. cry

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#272844 - 2018-02-08 12:03 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Hector]
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I’m disappointed in Meridian’s decision to scrap perfectly working HD621 and disappointed in Rick supporting it.


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#272845 - 2018-02-08 12:14 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Fitcaz]
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Where does it say that Rick supported it? His statement above only says what will happen to the HD621.

By scrapping traded in HD621's Meridian is doing owners who choose to keep their HD621s a favor as it should help keep used values stable as the market won't be flooded with sub $400.00 HD621's.


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#272855 - 2018-02-08 13:43 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Mel_Moon]
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The HD621 traded back in will be shipped to Meridian and scrapped. - will be tends to suggest Rick will be supporting it.

Owners who choose to keep their HD621 don’t get any financial favour as they are keeping their HD621s - apart from some warm fuzzy feeling they retain some future possible value in their media kit?

But ok It just seems a waste to me to scrap perfectly ok working kit to give someone a warm fuzzy feeling.


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#272856 - 2018-02-08 13:54 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Fitcaz]
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The trade in programme will demand that the retailer has to ship the unit back to get the discount rebated.

What else do you expect Rick et al to do?

Give the £500 to the customer and then not claim it back on principle?




The traded units will turn up on the used market at somepoint, Meridian like to sell pallets of used/traded/refurbished/ex demo gear to hifi dealers, but it does allow Meridian to control the flow of units into the marketplace and the used values to some degree.


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#272857 - 2018-02-08 13:59 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Fitcaz]
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As a PP I think Rick was just imparting information to the rest of us.

Btw my home is littered with no longer used Sky, Bluray, Dune and Apple TV boxes and the companies concerned don't offer me a penny. In fact, Apple offered me £300 trade-in for a > £3K MacBook !

They may be calling it 'scrapped ' but they may still be harvesting parts for reuse from all those HD621s.

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#272859 - 2018-02-08 14:14 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: gIzzE]
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Meridian may well keep some of the HD621 for spares I expect, but I don't think you will see them refurbished and sold.

Of course you don't have to trade in your HD621, you could sell it on and use the proceeds to pay full price of £2,000 for the UHD722.

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#272860 - 2018-02-08 14:21 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: gIzzE]
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Exactly. A dealer pretty much has to follow the program. The trade in program is pretty generous given that it exceeds the current resale value for the units. Honestly there are plenty of HD621's out on the used market to satisfy any demand for them. I would imagine that most people who want an HD621 already have one. If on principle, you feel strongly against the recycling of your HD621 then speak with you wallet, don't take the trade in deal, and cough up full price.


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#272867 - 2018-02-08 15:32 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Mel_Moon]
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The HD621 is quite a niche product - I can't see that there will be that many Meridian customers that will want to buy one when the new product is available. As mentioned, scrapped doesn't mean thrown away so it’s possible that it won't be that wasteful. What would you prefer to see?

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#272881 - 2018-02-08 22:06 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: GMT]
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I think it's very interesting that the UHD722 will support ARC. I wonder if it's got CEC too?


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#272892 - 2018-02-09 13:06 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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Where does it say that it supports ARC?


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#272894 - 2018-02-09 13:34 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jaapaap]
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Originally Posted By Jaapaap
Where does it say that it supports ARC?
One of the comments in the ISE 2018 thread has 2 videos in it. The one on the UHD722 explicitly references ARC, but makes no mention of CEC.


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#272898 - 2018-02-09 15:54 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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Unless I misheard he mentions ARC and SpeakerLink being connected somehow. I’m very confused. Anyone know more?


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#272900 - 2018-02-09 16:39 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jaapaap]
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Hi,

I got the impression that the Audio Return Channel (ARC) from the TV would be routed to the UHD722's SpeakerLink out connection.

I don't think it would be also be routed to the MMHR / SPDIF outputs as I suspect they are dedicated to route audio from the HDMI inputs.

I guess there's question of which of the two HDMI outputs would the ARC come from.

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#272928 - 2018-02-09 23:48 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Carl]
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If that’s the case then the ARC would be pointless for me.


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#272929 - 2018-02-09 23:59 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jaapaap]
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Care to elaborate, what’s your use case?


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#272945 - 2018-02-10 11:02 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
I got the impression that the Audio Return Channel (ARC) from the TV would be routed to the UHD722's SpeakerLink out connection.

I don't think it would be also be routed to the MMHR / SPDIF outputs as I suspect they are dedicated to route audio from the HDMI inputs.

Typically with devices which support ARC, one connector would be marked as the one that accepts ARC and not the other.

It would seem odd to be that they wouldn't route ARC down the MMHR connection.

Is there a chance that the ARC via SpeakerLink is to allow you to just plug a UHD722 directly into speakers with no processor? If so, I'd hope it would also output stereo from any of the HDMI sources too.


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#272959 - 2018-02-10 14:43 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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Hi David,
As always the devil's in the detail, I guess we won't really know to one of us on here gets one hooked up into a system.

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#272980 - 2018-02-11 08:49 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Well I just chanced across this thread and indeed am thinking about moving to 4K but the impression I get is that it's still in a sh*tty box that doesn't exude M's style nor match their other kit (not even as an option) and should have more inputs and especially outputs for 2000GBP.

What you really get is a bog standard if decent off the shelf video board with I assume a token bit of M hardware too and a price that smacks of should be 1000-1500GBP even at M prices but lets charge 2000GBP and give a discount to get some quick sales to shift the batch of video boards we had to buy, existing users will think they are getting a bargain, M get some revenue and in a year or so we can chop the price back to the HD621. Not saying it's wrong by M to do this but that what it looks like.

Oppo audio into HD621 and 2nd HDMI separate video seems to be the rational path here, it's the only source other than streaming that I'm really looking for SQ anyway.

With both Richard and Bob out of M; I continue wish M every success but sorry my loyalty left with them.


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#273008 - 2018-02-11 20:43 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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I have made a pre order and according to my dealer it will arrive in the end of February.


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#273009 - 2018-02-11 21:10 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Brandon]
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I’m glad it’s released! On order as well.


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#273018 - 2018-02-12 07:59 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Mine on order too from Rick ...


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#273034 - 2018-02-12 13:26 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: QuantumBob]
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Hi Carl,

My use-case has been described in this thread already. Basically I stream a lot through my Smart TV and would like to get surround sound. Right now I use ARC to get sound to my Oppo which passes it to my HD621. I’d rather skip the Oppo in this chain.

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#273036 - 2018-02-12 13:36 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jaapaap]
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Surely one of the monitor outs on the switch will receive the audio from your TV (ARC our of TV) back in and pass that signal out again to your processor?



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#273052 - 2018-02-12 17:19 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
Surely one of the monitor outs on the switch will receive the audio from your TV (ARC our of TV) back in and pass that signal out again to your processor?
Indeed, that's what I would expect.
So actually the UHD722 will have 8 HDMI 'inputs' you can select in its configuration.
7 from the dedicated HDMI Inputs and one from its HDMI output that has ARC

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#273076 - 2018-02-12 23:44 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Has that been confirmed? It wasn’t obvious at all from the video I saw.


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#273082 - 2018-02-13 09:26 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jaapaap]
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With around 50% of viewing now done through streaming, and most using the apps on their TVs to do so, I would hope this feature hasn't been missed?


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#273085 - 2018-02-13 09:47 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: gIzzE]
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Am I missing something here. I just run an optical cable from the TV to the processor. Works fine.

Isn't an UHD722 overkill for this. It's not like it's a lossless audio track from a Blu-ray where you HAVE to use a HD621 because of licensing issues.

How many devices actually support DTS-HD etc. beyond Blu-ray players?

I'm asking this out of genuine interest, not to start a war of words.

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#273090 - 2018-02-13 10:30 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Greg Wright]
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I don't think you are missing anything here, but it's such an obvious feature to have that it will feel as if M have missed something if its not included.


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#273093 - 2018-02-13 11:27 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Greg Wright]
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Some of the new TVs are now supporting Dolby True HD and Atmos etc.
Obviously on the TV this is a bit overkill, but it means as the streaming services add these codecs you are now able to pass the lossless audio back to your receiver/processor/UHD722.

How would you get these into your Meridian processor if the Monitor out doesn't support ARC in?


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#273094 - 2018-02-13 11:36 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: gIzzE]
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Originally Posted By gIzzE
Obviously on the TV this is a bit overkill, but it means as the streaming services add these codecs you are now able to pass the lossless audio back to your receiver/processor/UHD722.

How would you get these into your Meridian processor if the Monitor out doesn't support ARC in?
Don't you need eARC (enhanced ARC)support for lossless on the audio return channel? standard ARC is just a single SPDIF's worth of data. of course, I'd love it if the UHD722 supported eARC...


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#273097 - 2018-02-13 11:59 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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Yeah 8 channels, 192 kHz, 24 bits with eARC.


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#273107 - 2018-02-13 14:03 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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My UHD722 is also ordered at AV-Emotions Switzerland. I'm looking forward to go to the projector with only one HDMI cable. So far, 4K is using a cable from the Oppo 203 and AppleTV-4K to the SONY beamer. and a second cable connects all the other sources of the HD621's.
A lot of money for an HDMI switch/splitter, but I assume it will work fine with the M-Comm's! The long wait has its price; -)


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When I look at rear picture of the UHD722 in the UHD722 Data Sheet I can’t see any Comms like I have on my HD621. Does this mean that I will have start and turn off the UHD722 and 861 individually and not as I have today, handling both units from 861?


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#273187 - 2018-02-14 23:32 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Brandon]
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SpeakerLink has comms. Perhaps it will use that?


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#273188 - 2018-02-14 23:34 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Brandon]
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The SpeakerLink connection carries the comms.

For those without SpeakerLink equipment a custom cable should be all that’s required to hook it up.


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#273189 - 2018-02-14 23:42 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Carl]
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Would the EMMHR connection carry Meridian comms so avoiding an incipient spaghetti-fest for those using it with the G65 or 861v8.


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#273190 - 2018-02-15 00:16 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Gianni]
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Unlike SpeakerLink there’s no Comms channel on the MMHR RJ45 port.


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#273191 - 2018-02-15 00:39 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Carl]
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That seems a little clunky/remiss.

Also why are we calling it EMMHR now?


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#273192 - 2018-02-15 07:39 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
For those without SpeakerLink equipment a custom cable should be all that’s required to hook it up.
A comms adaptor is mentioned in the 'User features'

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#273193 - 2018-02-15 08:09 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Gianni]
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I searched in M website, can not find anything about EMMHR, what is the E meant for?


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#273195 - 2018-02-15 08:39 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Albert]
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#273196 - 2018-02-15 09:09 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jon Raines]
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E could have been for expansive audio!

This could have been mega product if it had Atmos and DTSX processing with extraction of height channels as well as 7.1. Lets hope for upgrade.

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#273197 - 2018-02-15 09:28 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Linnasak]
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Originally Posted By Linnasak
This could have been mega product if it had Atmos and DTSX processing with extraction of height channels as well as 7.1. Lets hope for upgrade.
It sounds more like VEMMHR.


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#273198 - 2018-02-15 09:34 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Linnasak]
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Originally Posted By Linnasak
This could have been mega product if it had Atmos and DTSX processing with extraction of height channels as well as 7.1. Lets hope for upgrade.
And probably even more expensive with the licensing costs?


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#273199 - 2018-02-15 09:38 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Linnasak]
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Originally Posted By Linnasak
This could have been mega product if it had Atmos and DTSX processing with extraction of height channels as well as 7.1. Lets hope for upgrade.
I've got a sense of déjà vu with the UHD722, specifically that Meridian never made a Blu-Ray player. I wonder if the new surround formats are too much in terms of development and licensing, or whether the UHD722 is simply a "holding pattern" device.


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#273212 - 2018-02-15 13:35 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
Originally Posted By Linnasak
This could have been mega product if it had Atmos and DTSX processing with extraction of height channels as well as 7.1. Lets hope for upgrade.
And probably even more expensive with the licensing costs?
How much can the licensing be when these formats are starting to appear on LG soundbars!

Also from Meridian’s point of view, how many extra DSPs might they sell for those height channels!

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#273214 - 2018-02-15 13:41 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Linnasak]
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Probably more than a small company is willing to pay, also they need to be able to update when the ‘new’ versions of the codecs are announced, this may just be a firmware change but it may require a hardware change, I would guess LG do more business in a day than Meridian do in a year so they can’t really be compared.
I have an LG Atmos capable sound-bar and am a happy customer.


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#273216 - 2018-02-15 14:00 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Linnasak]
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License fees can be substantial. Especially when those fees are major factors when considering whether or not to put an optical port on a component.

Meridian can sell lots of DSP speakers for height channels once the 271 is available.


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#273219 - 2018-02-15 14:34 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Perhaps if they stopped overcharging for hardware and 'intellectual property' for their own customers they could change their business plan . They still pay for THX and are Dolby licensees (TrueHD is based on their own MLP) after all . I've never felt that M were in any way slow to pass on the cost of these things anyway so why have they been so sluggish for the last decade ? And no Bluray player , whatever happened to ' follow the catalogue ' as they have always said ?

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#273222 - 2018-02-15 15:22 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Meridialien]
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Originally Posted By Meridialien
They still pay for THX and are Dolby licensees (TrueHD is based on their own MLP) after all.
M sold the IP rights on those, years back (I believe it funded the move to their present HQ / Manufacturing site).


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#273230 - 2018-02-15 19:57 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Linnasak]
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Originally Posted By Linnasak
This could have been mega product if it had Atmos and DTSX processing with extraction of height channels as well as 7.1.
Extract it and pass it to what? They don't have a processor that could handle it. The additional channels would probably require a speaker to be hooked up to the UHD722 (good luck for those using non-DSP speakers). This would also probably break controls (8 channels via 861 / 6 via G65 and the rest via the UHD722?).

They need a new processor to handle the new codecs and give up the "it has to be decoded in the source" approach. Don't get me wrong, I'm with you on this, but I can't see it happening without a new processor and a UHD722 replacement if they stick to two separate boxes.


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#273233 - 2018-02-15 20:34 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Originally Posted By CMB Integrations - Bruce
License fees can be substantial. Especially when those fees are major factors when considering whether or not to put an optical port on a component.
All the other manufacturers seem to manage...


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#273237 - 2018-02-15 22:56 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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Perhaps with a bit of help from their new friends at LG, Meridian could use the processing in a sound-bar to derive the height channels, with a couple of upward firing speakers either side of the DSP centre channel. Owners of a DSP7200HC might have to buy a longer rack.

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#273239 - 2018-02-15 23:51 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: bxd]
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Just thinking something similar , add a revised OE34 Digital Output card and new , possibly Trinnov sourced software and you have the makings of a nice little 9.1.6 Amos/dtsX/ Auro 3D system 🤓

You may say I’m a dreamer ...

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#273240 - 2018-02-16 00:45 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Meridialien]
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But you’re not the only one


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#273243 - 2018-02-16 06:19 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jaapaap]
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:O)


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#273421 - 2018-02-21 14:00 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Meridialien]
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#273423 - 2018-02-21 14:25 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Martins HiFi]
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What ? And you're not connected up yet !!!!

shocked

Look forward to 1st hand user reports

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#273424 - 2018-02-21 14:26 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Martins HiFi]
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Open it!


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#273426 - 2018-02-21 15:52 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Albert]
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#273427 - 2018-02-21 16:09 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Gianni]
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Won't this mean an updated mConfig program is required or can we bluff and add it as a HD621 ?

~M~
Originally Posted By Meridian F.A.Q.
1. DOES THE UHD722 HANDLE “4K” AND “UHD” VIDEO MATERIAL?
The terminology surrounding higher resolution video can cause confusion. There is a plethora of standards and specifications relating to the subject and “4K” and “UHD” are often used as generic terms to denote higher resolution video material. Technically speaking, the UHD722 handles video within the specification of HDMI 2.0b. In practice this means that the UHD722 is compatible with most consumer products which are designated as “4K” or “UHD”.

2. DOES THE UHD722 SUPPORT HDR10?
Yes.

3. WHAT SPECIFICATION OF HDMI DO THE HDMI INPUTS SUPPORT?
All seven inputs support HDMI 2.0b.

4. WHAT SPECIFICATION OF HDMI DOES "HDMI OUT 1" SUPPORT?
It supports HDMI 2.0b.

5. WHAT SPECIFICATION OF HDMI DOES "HDMI OUT 2"SUPPORT?
It supports HDMI 1.4 rather than HDMI 2.0b, so it cannot output UHD material.

6. WHEN UHD MATERIAL IS PLAYED THROUGH THE UHD722, WHAT VIDEO IS SENT OUT OF "HDMI OUT 1" AND "HDMI OUT 2"?
The behaviour of the outputs is determined by the design and behaviour of all the products in the chain from source to display. Signals sent over HDMI are encrypted and the UHD722 takes part in a sequence of “handshaking” between all the products in the chain and this will determine which video signal is displayed. In practice, this means some product combinations will result in UHD video being output from "HDMI Out 1" while "HDMI Out 2" will go blank while other combinations will result in 1080p (2K) video being sent out of both HDMI outputs.

7. CAN I FEED TWO DISPLAY DEVICES SIMULTANEOUSLY WITH UHD VIDEO?
The UHD722 does not feature the connectivity to does this. One method for achieving it would be to use an external HDMI “splitter”. This device, which would need to be HDCP 2.2 compliant, could be fed from the output "HDMI Out 1".

8. DOES THE UHD722 HANDLE 3D VIDEO?
Yes. 3D video was part of the HDMI 1.4 specification and the UHD722 complies with HDMI 2.0b which encompasses HDMI 1.4.

9. IS THE UHD722 COMPLIANT WITH HDMI 1.4?
Yes. The UHD722 complies with HDMI 2.0b which encompasses HDMI 1.4.

10. CAN THE UHD722 SEND UHD VIDEO TO TWO DISPLAYS SIMULTANEOUSLY?
No. Only the “HDMI Out 1” output is capable of passing UHD video.

11. CAN THE UHD722 DECODE 5.1 AUDIO STREAMS SUCH AS DOLBY DIGITAL OR DTS?
No. These streams can be handled by the product, but they are passed to the audio outputs without being decoding, so the device “downstream” of the UHD722 would need to be capable of decoding them.

12. CAN THE UHD722 DECODE DOLBY TRUEHD OR DTS MASTER AUDIO?
The UHD722 cannot decode these streams itself, but its inclusion in a system can allow these lossless streams to be played in an optimal way.

13. WHEN USING A SOURCE WHICH CAN PLAY DOLBY TRUEHD OR DTS MASTER AUDIO, HOW SHOULD I SET THE SOURCE’S OUTPUT TO BEST FEED THE UHD722?
The source should be set to output PCM. The terminology used in the set-up menus can vary, but the vast majority of such sources feature the ability to do this.

14. ONE OR MORE OF THE SOURCE PRODUCTS IN MY SYSTEM IS RELATIVELY CHEAP. CAN I BE SURE THAT THE WAY IT CONVERTS LOSSLESS FORMATS INTO PCM IS UP TO THE JOB IN THE CONTEXT OF MY HIGH-END AV SYSTEM?
Yes. The methods used by source products to access and decode lossless streams can be compared to the way a compressed file is extracted and read by a computer. Sources do not vary in this regard, so the purchase price has no direct bearing on this aspect of the source’s performance. There is understandable scepticism to this fact in some quarters due to the residual knowledge that the quality of decoding earlier formats, such as those from DVD-Video, could vary according to the design of the source product.

15. WHAT IS THE “SPEAKERLINK OUT” SOCKET FOR?
This connection provides a Meridian comms connection to allow the UHD722 to be integrated within a Meridian system. The connection can be carried out in two ways:

i) The UHD722 can be directly connected to an otherwise unused SpeakerLink input on another product using a network-type cable.

ii) The UHD722 can be connected to a DIN-type Meridian comms socket on another product in the rack using the Meridian Comms Adapter – supplied with the product. The adapter has an RJ45 socket which accepts a SpeakerLink cable and 5-pin DIN socket for a Meridian 5C lead.

16. CAN I CONNECT THE SPEAKERLINK OUTPUT TO THE SPEAKERLINK INPUT ON MY MERIDIAN DSP LOUDSPEAKERS?
Although the Speakerlink output of the UHD722 carries digital audio, this audio is not optimised for the highest possible sound quality. If the UHD722 is to be used to provide a two-channel signal, best results are achieved by using a single digital interconnect fed from the “1/2” phono (RCA) socket. If feeding a pair of Meridian loudspeakers which have only Speakerlink inputs, then a Meridian AC12 adapter can be used to convert the connection type. In such an arrangement, the AC12 also provides a suitable connection for Meridian comms to be fed from the UHD722 via the Meridian Comms Adapter - supplied with the product.

17. CAN I CONNECT THE MMHR OUTPUT TO THE SPEAKERLINK INPUT ON MY MERIDIAN DSP LOUDSPEAKERS?
No. Although the two sockets mentioned are the same physical type, the signals they carry are not compatible. The MMHR Output socket on the UHD722 is intended to be connected to a suitably-equipped Meridian surround controller, rather than a DSP loudspeaker.

18. MY MERIDIAN SURROUND CONTROLLER HAS A MULTI-CHANNEL DIGITAL INPUT IN THE FORM OF THREE PHONO (RCA) SOCKETS BUT NOT THE RJ45 TYPE OF SOCKET USED ON NEWER PRODUCTS. HOW DO I CONFIGURE AND CONNECT THE UHD722 TO USE THIS INPUT?
On the set-up program, under the “Audio” tab within “Properties” of the UHD722, the setting “Linear PCM” should be set to “6 Ch. Three digital interconnect leads should be connected between the two units. On the UHD722, the outputs labelled “1/2”, “3/4” and “7/8” should be connected to the “L/R”, “C/LFE” and “SURR” input sockets respectively on the surround controller.

19. I’VE INSERTED AN UHD722 BETWEEN A SOURCE AND A DISPLAY-DEVICE WHICH PREVIOUSLY WORKED JUST FINE, BUT NOW I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PICTURE. WHY IS THIS?
The addition of any device to an HDMI set-up can introduce the possibility of a compatibility issue. The handshaking and encryption used by HDMI is particular prone to vagaries with various cable types. If any cables are over the maximum seven metres laid out by the HDMI specification, then they may work in one combination, but not another. If problems arise, alternative cables should be tried. Further to that, it may be necessary to substitute any conventional HDMI cable over seven metres in length with one of the proven installation solutions which send HDMI over alternative connection methods, such as network cables.

20. DOES THE UHD722 SIMPLY PASS EDID INFORMATION UNCHANGED FROM THE DISPLAY DEVICE TO THE SOURCE PRODUCT?
No. The UHD722 takes the EDID information relating to video capabilities from the display device and combines it with EDID information determined by the audio configuration of the UHD722. The audio capabilities of the display are ignored. This causes the source product to send video appropriate for the display along with audio appropriate for the audio product being used with the UHD722. The UHD722 separates the audio and video signals and outputs them from the relevant sockets.

21. DOES THE UHD722 SUPPORT ARC?
Yes. "HDMI Out 1" supports ARC.

22. DOES AUDIO DERIVED FROM ARC BENEFIT FROM THE FULL RANGE OF AUDIO ENHANCEMENTS THE UHD722 OFFERS?
No. Audio fed to the UHD722 via ARC is routed directly to the product’s Speakerlink output bypassing the DSP processing used to enhance sound-quality on other audio outputs.


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#273429 - 2018-02-21 16:41 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Meridialien]
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Curious about #16

Is SpeakerLink subtly compromised by addition of circuitry for ARC or is it something more fundamental? Possibly like bypassing DSP processing as per comments on ARC.


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#273430 - 2018-02-21 17:44 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Meridialien]
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Originally Posted By Meridialien
Won't this mean an updated mConfig program is required or can we bluff and add it as a HD621?
A new version of the Config program will be on the website soon.
In the meantime dealers have a pre-release version for UHD722 setup.

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#273449 - 2018-02-21 21:21 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Yep , build 3.7.0.3586 is on the firmware page already .

A bit of clarity regarding ARC set up would help . How much use is it if 722 can't decode anything ?

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#273453 - 2018-02-21 23:02 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Meridialien]
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Well, one would assume the use of the UHD722 with a Meridian surround sound processor, in that scenario you should be fine with everything. ARC allows 1 SPDIF's worth of data, so that could be a lossless CD or HD stereo track, or it could be Dolby Digital or DTS (plain versions, not TrueHD/Master Audio). These would simply be routed to your M processor which could handle them all.

If the UHD722 supports eARC (I don't think it does but maybe?) then it wouldn't provide any support for Atmos or dts:x, but then I imagine the UHD722 would advertise that it doesn't support those protocols anyway. It could however receive 8 channels of PCM which it could feed to an 861 or G65 (the latter would be able to accept 6 of those channels).


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#273459 - 2018-02-22 05:36 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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Per user-guide: The ARC input is only available on the SpeakerLink output. This audio output is a direct audio signal from HDMI Out 1 and therefore bypasses the UHD722 digital signal processing.


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#273466 - 2018-02-22 12:39 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: David Haworth]
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Originally Posted By David Haworth
If the UHD722 supports eARC (I don't think it does but maybe?)
Hi David,

No the UHD722 doesn't support eARC.

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#273483 - 2018-02-22 16:50 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Apologies if this has been asked before, but I'm only learning now about the ARC thingy.

On my Samsung 6000 series flat screen TV, there is not HDMI out, but I did noticed one HDMI ARC input. Could I connect it to the HDMI input of my HD621 and get the sound out of the TV?

Thanks


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#273491 - 2018-02-22 18:39 Re: Meridian UHD722 Trade-up promotion announced [Re: Jeje]
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No, you’d need the UHD722 to do that


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