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#271568 - 2018-01-09 00:16 Incremental backup?
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Hey guys (and gals),

Quick Q: I've pulled out an pretty old backup disk (from like 7 years ago) and hooked it up to my network. I know that Control:Mac can supposedly do an incremental backup, picking up where it left off 7 years ago and backing up only the new stuff, but I'm not sure how to do this. I find three volumes on the backup disk: Public, Configuration, and Download (which seems to have the music files), but no matter what I point the backup to, I get an error message and it seems to want to do a new backup from scratch.

Anyone know how to do this? A full new backup would take about a week.

Thanks,
Hal

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#271572 - 2018-01-09 08:33 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: HalJayGreene]
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Volumes or folders? Try pointing Sooloos at the disk itself rather than an underlying folder if that’s what they are.


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#271587 - 2018-01-09 16:45 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: dpstjp]
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This is what I see when I run the backup wizard. It seems to be looking for a "folder" only, and there is not the option to choose a "disk."



Edited by HalJayGreene; 2018-01-09 16:48.
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#271588 - 2018-01-09 16:53 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: HalJayGreene]
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You might as well start a full backup and be done with it or does you previous backup have files in it that are no longer in your library?

Worth remembering that Sooloos backups are incremental but do not remove albums you have deleted from your library which can be a ‘pita’ if you need to do a restore although in your case it should make no difference.


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#271594 - 2018-01-09 19:54 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: Ratbert]
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Hi,

It's not so much about deleted albums (I think over the years I may have deleted 3 albums out of 8k+) as time. I only have a few hundred new albums since the last backup. If I can back up incrementally should only be a few hours rather than a week+.

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Hal

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#271596 - 2018-01-09 20:08 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: HalJayGreene]
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At an estimated 20 seconds per album for backing up 8000 albums should take a couple of days, not allowing for “Sooloos backup issue” which are possible.


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#271630 - 2018-01-10 13:49 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: Ratbert]
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I just started a new backup. Right now I have a 4-drive 4TB server in Raid 5 (this is my Sooloos DB) and a 4TB 2-drive server in Raid 1 (to be used for backup). My plan is to back up the Sooloos DB from the 4-drive unit to the 2-drive unit and then take the two drives and store them in different locations. That should give me two complete copies of the DB in case anything ever goes wrong. Then I'm going to insert new drives in the 2-drive server and do a full export to it. Once I've done that I will wipe the 4-drive unit and copy the exported files back to it and use it as my permanent music server with a Roon Nucleus. Finally, I will move the 2-drive unit to an off site location and rSync it with the 4-drive unit, which should protect me in case anything goes wrong. Do you see anything wrong with this methodology?

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#271633 - 2018-01-10 15:22 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: HalJayGreene]
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Looks like a very belt and braces approach, if anything happens to damage your backups then chances are we will have more to worry about than music libraries! smile

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#271647 - 2018-01-10 18:26 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: Ratbert]
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Yes, belts and braces for sure. I don't want to take any chances. Do you have any idea why the backup process seems to crap out after only a hundred or so albums and constantly needs to be restarted? At this rate it will take a month. Given that I have two identical-sized servers, if I clone the Sooloos server, will that create a usable Sooloos DB backup?

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#271648 - 2018-01-10 18:34 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: HalJayGreene]
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#271649 - 2018-01-10 18:38 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: Ratbert]
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I am no computer expert, but it seems to me that in any backup system one has to ensure that all the elements of the system are sufficiently robust. If, say, you want to use the backup in 10 years time, then the software for retrieving the backup and for reading the files needs to be available, as well as the hardware. There may be no problem here, but computers date quickly, and if something can go wrong it probably will. I do not know what the answer is to this, but others may. There must be a good professional way of doing it.

FWIW I would also do a simple FLAC copy as an additional precaution.

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#271650 - 2018-01-10 18:43 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: Locus]
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The Sooloos backup is encrypted and has always been temperamental in my experience, in this case it is an intermediate step so should be ok once it completes!, I would advise anyone to maintain a native export from Sooloos which stores the files in their original format which is usually FLAC but can be WAV, MP3 Alac etc.


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Edited by Ratbert; 2018-01-10 18:48.
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#271653 - 2018-01-10 19:26 Re: Incremental backup? [Re: Locus]
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Originally Posted By Locus
I am no computer expert, but it seems to me that in any backup system one has to ensure that all the elements of the system are sufficiently robust. If, say, you want to use the backup in 10 years time, then the software for retrieving the backup and for reading the files needs to be available, as well as the hardware. There may be no problem here, but computers date quickly, and if something can go wrong it probably will. I do not know what the answer is to this, but others may. There must be a good professional way of doing it.

FWIW I would also do a simple FLAC copy as an additional precaution.
Absolutely.

It won't be the first backup where an item was wanting to be restored only to find that the backup format was so old or hardware specific that the data was effectively lost.

imho best export in native format so that when Sooloos eventually dies you can then use the export in another system.


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