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#271192 - 2017-12-29 21:21 Roon with MS200
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I've been playing around with Roon for the last few days and like the interface. At the moment I have it feeding a SB Touch into my 561 and DSP33's.

I am thinking of buying an MS200 (the price seems to have dropped lately). Would this make sense in my system? I would probably connect the MS200 directly to the DSP33's so that I get the higher sample rates. Would it be possible to control volume levels with this set up?

Any advice gladly appreciated

Thanks in advance

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#271193 - 2017-12-29 21:35 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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I use MS200 in two zones with Roon. My G61R works perfectly with it. I control volume in Roon. My MSR+ will play pause next prev volume etc if I have an Album or playlist going.

The MS200 is not RAAT and will not sync zones with RAAT devices. Also it does not decode MQA but it’s a great little unit. I had a SpeakerLink Comms cable made up and use the optical out to my G61R

My other unit uses analog out to a bedroom Radio.


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#271195 - 2017-12-30 02:23 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Yes you can connect it directly to your DSP33, but you will need a SpeakerLink to comms cable (and digital coax) to get signal and volume control.


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#271196 - 2017-12-30 08:42 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Originally Posted By ChrisLayerUK
The MS200 is not RAAT and will not sync zones with RAAT devices.
Chris, I understand that RAAT is the protocol used by Roon to transmit audio. Apart from the synching issues you mention above, does the lack of RAAT on the MS200 have any other implications, e.g. sound quality etc ?

Thanks,

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#271197 - 2017-12-30 08:44 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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Nope, the Roon team came from Sooloos and understand Meridian. The sound quality and function is excellent.
Meridian even quote ROON as an option for their streamed devices.


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#271198 - 2017-12-30 08:44 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Originally Posted By ChrisLayerUK
I control volume in Roon. My MSR+ will play pause next prev volume etc if I have an Album or playlist going.
If I get rid of the 561 in my system how would volume control work for me? Would I need a 512?


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#271199 - 2017-12-30 08:48 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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The MS200 has analog variable and fixed volume so you can set it up as you like. Digital is fixed with 1x or 2x sample, apodising etc. It also has IR reception I believe, so an MSR+ will work for basic function.

Volume is in the ROON app where you can set max and min levels etc.
It’s worth having a good read of the MS200 user and set up guide.


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#271200 - 2017-12-30 09:04 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Do DSP33 differ from other DSP speakers in the way they control volume? I have my MS200 connected via SpeakerLink to a pair of M6. Or is there a difference between Roon and Sooloos for controlling volume?


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#271201 - 2017-12-30 09:10 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Bee]
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I have Sooloos (not used for a while) and Roon and they both work in my set up with MS200. The only practical difference from a user point of view is the lack of RAAT sync. MS200’s Sync fine.

I don’t know about DSP33 volume but I would think it’s similar to other DSP products.


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#271202 - 2017-12-30 09:16 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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Tim, if you keep the 561 and get an MS200, somewhere in a cupboard I have a SpeakerLink to SPDIF+C5 Comms adapter if you need one. That would connect the SpeakerLink output on the MS200 to an SPDIF input and comms input on your 561 so that on/off and volume commands worked ok between the 561 and Roon/MS200.


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#271204 - 2017-12-30 10:01 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: JobSeeker]
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561 has only 48k inputs.


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#271205 - 2017-12-30 10:12 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
561 has only 48k inputs.
Yes, that's why I'm trying to understand how I would control volume if I connected an MS200 directly to my DSP33 (to get the higher sample rates).


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#271206 - 2017-12-30 10:24 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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So what would be the best way to control volume with an MS200 directly into DSP33s?

Thanks
Tim


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#271207 - 2017-12-30 10:52 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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Assuming you mean control the volume via Roon, the easiest way is via Meridian comms, so you'd need a SpeakerLink to SPDIF+comms dongle (AC12, Reviver, or something custom).

Going down the RPi + HiFiBerry digi board + RS232 + Roon Meridian extension option is cheaper, but a lot more complicated.


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#271208 - 2017-12-30 11:06 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
... RS232 + Roon Meridian extension option...
What is this VK?

Please tell more.


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#271209 - 2017-12-30 11:47 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: gIzzE]
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#271210 - 2017-12-30 12:00 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: VirusKiller]
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Thanks!


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#271243 - 2017-12-30 19:56 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
Assuming you mean control the volume via Roon, the easiest way is via Meridian comms, so you'd need a SpeakerLink to SPDIF+comms dongle (AC12, Reviver, or something custom).

Going down the RPi + HiFiBerry digi board + RS232 + Roon Meridian extension option is cheaper, but a lot more complicated.
Joel,
Is it possible to control the volume without using Roon, i.e setting a fixed output level from Roon and then using something like a 512.

I'm not sure I understand the intricacies of controlling via Roon and whether this would actually be the better option.

Thanks,
Tim


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#271246 - 2017-12-30 20:43 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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Sure there are several ways of doing that. For one you can simply hide the volume control in Roon for that device.


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#271253 - 2017-12-30 21:40 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Ludwig]
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I hide the volume controls on my MS200/M80 combos.


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#271257 - 2017-12-30 22:34 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: ncpl]
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How would the volume be controlled?

Would a 218 be a better option for Roon direct to DSP33's

Thanks

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#271272 - 2017-12-31 08:58 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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You're now talking chalk and cheese. A 218 is 3.5x the cost of an MS200 and would still need a comms dongle to connect to DSP33s. The 218 will unfold MQA to the 96k capability of the DSP33s (as will Roon, though not yet) and may or may not have better up-sampling than both Roon and the MS200.


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#271290 - 2017-12-31 14:35 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: VirusKiller]
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Joel,

Thanks, I understand the 218 is a different product and am wondering if it may actually be a better solution for my needs.

At the moment I have a pair of DSP33's and an SW1600 controlled by a 561. My inputs are optical digital from TV and digital coaxial from the SBT.

I am looking to upgrade and almost certainly want to take the 561 out of the chain so I get 96k music. I then have the problem of how to control volume, sources and integrate the SW1600 with the DSP33's. Would a 218 enable volume control, source selection (I guess sub integration is pushing my luck).

Cheers

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#271295 - 2017-12-31 15:04 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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A Meridian G12 for IR control.


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#271297 - 2017-12-31 15:12 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: spinaltap]
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Given the MS200 has an IR sensor, that might even be cheaper than the G12...


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#271299 - 2017-12-31 15:47 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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The SW1600 can just daisy chain in with the sub.

You could even add a regular sub with the 218 and plug it into the pre outs and set them to variable and have your 33s plugged in as normal.

I guess you could do that with the MS200 as well using the headphone out on it.

You still need a speakerlink to comms/coaxial to be able to control the volume from roon etc.


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#271300 - 2017-12-31 15:48 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: VirusKiller]
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Originally Posted By VirusKiller
Given the MS200 has an IR sensor, that might even be cheaper than the G12...
Yeah, could be a better option all round.


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#271422 - 2018-01-05 07:02 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: gIzzE]
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If I used a MS200 with Roon into a pair of DSP33's, how would I get feedback regarding the volume level? Could the 561 be connected somehow (i.e. such that it does not have to pass the audio and therefore limit the sampling frequency to 48kHz)

Thx,

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#271423 - 2018-01-05 07:20 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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If it's just Roon, MS200 and D33s, the volume control info is bi-directional from MS200 to Roon. Roon will display the volume.


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#271433 - 2018-01-05 12:20 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: VirusKiller]
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If you use an AC12 the 562 Comms can be connected so you can view and control volume from there.

Disclaimer: I’ve only done this with a 518. But I think it’d be the same.


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#271601 - 2018-01-09 21:39 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: VirusKiller]
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thanks Joel


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#271602 - 2018-01-09 21:41 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Ludwig]
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Originally Posted By Ludwig
If you use an AC12 the 562 Comms can be connected so you can view and control volume from there.

Disclaimer: I’ve only done this with a 518. But I think it’d be the same.
That's interesting!

Has anyone else tried this?

Thanks
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#271604 - 2018-01-09 22:02 Re: Roon with MS200 [Re: Tim]
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Tim, as VK posted, with Roon you see the volume on your tablet and need no other equipment.
If you don't like that, you can use either AC12, Reviver or homemade SL-DIN comms cable and a device just to see the volume.

AC12 and Reviver also makes beside the communication the impedance matching of the digital audio signal when you want to use SL/Cat cable.


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