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#270979 - 2017-12-22 16:43 What if Tidal goes bust...
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Rumour mill suggests six months cash left and no one that interested in bailing them out...

What would that mean for Sooloos, Roon, and of course MQA...??

Thoughts?


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#270980 - 2017-12-22 16:53 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: Cmr600]
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There is a big thread on this on the Roon forum but Danny at Roon described the news article as uniformed click bait. Or words to that effect.

Here I think


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#271008 - 2017-12-23 16:50 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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My guess:
- Probably kills MQA. There's been so much "noise" ref MQA that I wouldn't be surprised if other service groups give it a wide berth. Doesn't matter if the nega-hype is true or not. IMO, MQA haven't managed to quell those rumours in an effective manner.
- IMO, Roon is still the best "front end" for local music streaming, though others are clearly trying to catch up. I do think that they need to revisit how to "sell" their interaction to groups like Qobuz. My guess is that Spotify and Qobuz don't want to offer API connections, as it probably prohibits them from using in built advertising. So maybe Roon should consider a way of allowing a user to "opt in" to adverts, such that Qobuz says yes.


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#271009 - 2017-12-23 17:29 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: Mr_Sukebe]
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Originally Posted By Mr_Sukebe
My guess:
- Probably kills MQA. There's been so much "noise" ref MQA that I wouldn't be surprised if other service groups give it a wide berth.
Why so negative?
MQA is great, stand up and fight for Bob. He has contributed so much to worldwide music appreciation, without making a fortune.
Don't listen to the naysayers, use your ears grin
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#271014 - 2017-12-23 18:51 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: Hector]
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Here here David. I promise not to kick your soapbox from under you.. lol Happy Christmas.


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#271023 - 2017-12-24 07:27 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: Hector]
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#271034 - 2017-12-24 12:17 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: RobertW]
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Why wouldn't other streaming platforms offer MQA if Tidal went bust? It would give them a USP and the catalogue is growing at a decent rate.

What I'd like to know is why are the streaming companies making losses? Is it up front investment or just a bad model? If they are all making losses are we not paying enough for the service, should you pay for usage etc?

Cheers
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#271035 - 2017-12-24 12:35 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: GMT]
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Quote:
If they are all making losses are we not paying enough for the service
It's as simple as that. Trouble is, a generation has grown up with the idea that you don't have to pay for music (gross exaggeration, but more than a grain of truth).


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#271036 - 2017-12-24 13:48 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: VirusKiller]
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I don't know how the artist payments are made but it's easy to leave the service running on a radio type feature overnight. Maybe the payment should cover X number of hours /tracks per month.


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#271037 - 2017-12-24 15:17 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: GMT]
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MQA will be available on Deezer. There is a press release on the MQA site.

W


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#271038 - 2017-12-24 15:39 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: Hector]
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Originally Posted By Hector
Originally Posted By Mr_Sukebe
My guess:
- Probably kills MQA. There's been so much "noise" ref MQA that I wouldn't be surprised if other service groups give it a wide berth.
Why so negative?
MQA is great, stand up and fight for Bob. He has contributed so much to worldwide music appreciation, without making a fortune.
Don't listen to the naysayers, use your ears grin
Hector
Negative?
I first requested MQA software decoding in Roon back in June 2015 and have been waiting since. I personally see genuine potential.
Unfortunately, a certain vocal element who frequent the hi-fi forums don't share my view and have been spreading vitriol for a couple of years now. Say it enough times and some people will believe you.

I'd love to see MQA standing up to these comments and questions directly, as most are just rubbish and could/should be easily put to bed by the group with the right answers. I'm amazed that it's not been forthcoming.


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#271039 - 2017-12-24 16:01 Re: What if tidal goes bust.... [Re: Mr_Sukebe]
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I have watched (and sometimes assisted) as Mr_Sukebe has attempted to inject some facts and objectivity into the poisonous debates over at Pink Fish. There are four or five posters on that forum who wilfully post mis-information about MQA. They are also happy to state that they do not need to listen to MQA to hear its shortcomings...


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