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#269742 - 2017-11-12 00:36 218 digital coax out
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Does the 218 digital coax out output MQA? If so does MHR have to be enabled? I seem to remember reading something about this but searched and can't find it.

Ken


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#269801 - 2017-11-13 23:09 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Kswanson]
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Anyone have any ideas on this?

Ken


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#269802 - 2017-11-13 23:11 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Kswanson]
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I thought MQA was only available over MHR via SpeakerLink and analog?


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#269803 - 2017-11-13 23:42 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Ratbert]
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I suppose the 218 might provide the first unfold over digital coaxial?


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#269804 - 2017-11-13 23:47 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Gianni]
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That's what I'm trying to figure out.

Ken


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#269806 - 2017-11-14 01:22 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Ratbert]
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This is correct in my 218, enabling and disabling MHR made no difference.


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#269807 - 2017-11-14 02:55 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Please clarify. What is correct in your 218? Coax SPDIF first MQA unfold out? No unfold?


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#269808 - 2017-11-14 04:03 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: OldDogCan]
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First unfold 24/96 out of the digital coax


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#269809 - 2017-11-14 05:49 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Bruce,

What is indicating the 218 is unfolding MQA?

Ken


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Office: SBT, Audience 2+2v2, Heed, JL e110, Dual Core, 218, Roon.
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#269810 - 2017-11-14 06:48 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Kswanson]
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I use the 218 in front of the 861v6 and as one of my 3 zones.
MQA music streamed over TIDAL/ROON and 218 go over the coax out into the 861.
218 unfold the first part and you get the green or blue light.
But you have to watch the settings from Roon disable DSP engine and more


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__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
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#269811 - 2017-11-14 06:48 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Kswanson]
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That is a good question. Is it unfolded or just a normal M upsampled signal?

IIRC Aurelic we’re stopped from doing that weren’t they ?


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#269813 - 2017-11-14 07:21 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: ncpl]
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I suppose if you played an MQA 24/48 Track it would arrive on the output at that resolution. Surely the 218 would not upsample this? Or would it?


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#269816 - 2017-11-14 08:39 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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It seems logical that M would allow the 218 to do what many other MQA DACs apparently do, ie pass first unfold MQA from the digital out. Then again, they don’t always do what everyone else does.


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#269817 - 2017-11-14 09:00 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: JobSeeker]
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Interestingly they don’t say this in the data sheets. From what they do say it looks like the input is passed through without processing. I would have thought that if first unfold was being done, it would be added to the feature list.


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#269818 - 2017-11-14 09:01 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: JobSeeker]
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A big % of the MQA available is actually 44 or 48k so I guess this is up samples to 88/96k anyway. There is no unfold as such on these rates. M systems upsample all std rate x2.

The first unfold scenario only applies to material greater than 44/48k.


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#269819 - 2017-11-14 09:16 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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You can decide what the digital output of the 218 will deliver:
MHR or not
Sample rate 1x or 2x

So with different masters and packages the infos are that:

44.1/44.1 EXAMPLE

So for a seldom MQA 44.1kHz MQA master streamed with TIDAL/ROON ,
track info show a packed 44.1kHz stream with MQA resolution of 44.1kHz**

the "IP control" app show "MQA 44.1kHz"
ROON app show "TIDAL FLAC 44.1kHz 24bit 2ch, MQA44.1kHz" **
Sample rate______1x____________2x
_______861......... 44K_________88K
_______DSP..........88k_________88k

48/96 EXAMPLE

ROON app show "TIDAL FLAC 48 kHz 24bit 2ch, MQA 96 kHz"
"IP control" app show "MQA 96kHz"
Sample rate______1x____________2x
_______861......... 96K_________48K
_______DSP..........96k_________96k

48/192 EXAMPLE

ROON app show "TIDAL FLAC 48 kHz 24bit 2ch, MQA 192 kHz"
"IP control" app show "MQA 192kHz"
Sample rate______1x____________2x
_______861......... 48K_________96K
_______DSP..........96k_________96k

44.1/352.8 EXAMPLE

ROON app show "TIDAL FLAC 44.1 kHz 24bit 2ch, MQA 352.8 kHz"
"IP control" app show "MQA 192kHz"
Sample rate______1x____________2x
_______861......... 88K_________44K
_______DSP..........88k_________88k

In all cases the MQA light is on

i dont make real comparements with sample rate 1x or 2x, willdo later on when needed or necessary


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__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
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#269843 - 2017-11-14 16:27 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: RobertW]
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Has anyone tried playing with the IP control app settings in /advanced?

Ken


Main: G68J, 5K2s, 5Ks, HSU subs, Pio 151FD, Dish VP722, Roku, Wadia I70, Anti Mode Dual Core, Oppo 103D Vanity Lite
Office: SBT, Audience 2+2v2, Heed, JL e110, Dual Core, 218, Roon.
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#269845 - 2017-11-14 16:32 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Kswanson]
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?? Sorry Ken, did not catch your question.


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__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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#269849 - 2017-11-14 16:49 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: RobertW]
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In your web browser type in your 218 IP address with /advanced at the end. You will go to a page that has number of options for PCM on/off as well as a yes/no option for "Downstream decoder present". If you have a MQA DAC I assume that would be "yes", With SEs I'm not sure and with legacy DSPs or KII Threes (which I'm auditioning again today) I assume "no".

Ken


Main: G68J, 5K2s, 5Ks, HSU subs, Pio 151FD, Dish VP722, Roku, Wadia I70, Anti Mode Dual Core, Oppo 103D Vanity Lite
Office: SBT, Audience 2+2v2, Heed, JL e110, Dual Core, 218, Roon.
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#269860 - 2017-11-14 18:02 Re: 218 digital coax out [Re: Kswanson]
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Thanks for that - how did you find it?
Maybe PCM on/off means MHR off/on?

Do you have an idea about the RS232 settings ?
Maybe I will play around with that.


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__HB-strip, Ayon/HB/Shunyata/Dream State Audio/Miltzow -- power cables,
__Ayon/Jungson/Miltzow --analog, Miltzow-- digital,
__WMA/Finalizer- , iPad air, Macbook-pro.
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