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#267460 - 2017-09-02 21:16 MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix
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Interesting is the MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix.

Typo or multichannel MQA?

When I plugged the digital out of the 218 into the Casablanca 4 all I got was 96k static turning off MHR gave me music.


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#267465 - 2017-09-03 06:09 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Originally Posted By CMB Integrations - Bruce
...When I plugged the digital out of the 218 into the Casablanca 4 all I got was 96k static turning off MHR gave me music
Surely MHR out into non MHR compatible kit (ie Casablanca) will not play? So what you are witnessing is not unexpected?


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#267474 - 2017-09-03 12:27 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: Ian]
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No Ian, just letting others know if they are plugging the 218 digital out into other equipment that they will need to do the same. The original point is that the album reports as a 5.1 mix and is MQA.


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#267475 - 2017-09-03 12:40 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: Ian]
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Bruce-Would you think the digital signal delivered to the Casablanca is PCM after the first unfold?


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#267476 - 2017-09-03 12:55 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: Mtns]
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Yes, when the 218 is plugged into 8kSEs it indicates PCM on the master speaker display.


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#267479 - 2017-09-03 13:09 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Could this coax 218 output be further unfolded by another MQA capable DAC downstream?

I assume if you wanted full MQA out of the Theta you would use the analog signal path from 218.


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#267480 - 2017-09-03 13:34 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: Mtns]
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Not likely, as when plugged directly into the SE from the the 218, it does not unfold further. What I was trying to see was after hitting the 218, would the multichannel mix pass through the 218 digital out and be played as multichannel through the CB4. It does, however the CB4 does not have a discrete mode.


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#267487 - 2017-09-03 16:25 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Originally Posted By CMB Integrations - Bruce
when plugged directly into the SE from the the 218, it does not unfold further
Actually, the reason that this doesn't work may be entirely due to the fact that, at the moment, SE speakers will not render MQA unless told to explicitly via SpeakerLink. This limitation/design was caused by the MQA rules at the time; that renderable MQA would be allowed on SPDIF outputs (as is now the case) wasn't even considered a possibility. Expect changes in SE speakers at some point (but who knows when).


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#267549 - 2017-09-05 10:52 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: Mtns]
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I plugged the 218 digital out into a G65 I had on hand and the G65 indicated it was receiving 2 channel PCM. Drat, thought I found something cool.


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#267552 - 2017-09-05 11:26 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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But wouldn't it say that even with a renderable MQA signal (PCM or MHR)?


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#267553 - 2017-09-05 11:53 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: VirusKiller]
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Presumably it has been unfolded in the 218. What I was trying to see was if the 5.1 mix indicated by the metadata survived the pass through the 218 as multichannel which it did not.


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#267554 - 2017-09-05 12:38 Re: MQA version of Steely Dan's album Gaucho, the metadata says it is a 5.1 mix [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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The metadata is just wrong. You wouldn't expect to see 5.1 tracks on CD or the other variants of data.

One for a data guy I think........VK


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