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#267076 - 2017-08-21 19:54 UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch
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Just noticed this on Meridian's website, sounds very good. I wonder what version HDMI it has 2.0a/2.0b/2.1 ?

Meridian Cedia 2017
Originally Posted By Meridian Press Release
Meridian will also preview two further new products at CEDIA. Shipping by the end of this year, Meridian's new UHD722 HDMI Processor will provide a 4K switch solution with MMHR output for connection to existing processors.

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The second new product, the Meridian 210 streamer, is designed to bring Bluetooth, Airplay and Spotify Connect to Meridian products. Pre-orders for these products can be taken at the CEDIA 2017...
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#267090 - 2017-08-22 09:07 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Certainly sounds like the HD621mk2. Hopefully it will be HDMI 2.0b. There are certainly boards available to support that spec but I don't think the 2.1 boards are anywhere near ready yet.


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#267091 - 2017-08-22 10:41 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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That sounds very positive.


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#267102 - 2017-08-22 14:53 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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UHD722 I wonder if this device has 7 HDMI inputs and two HDMI outputs?

Having two outputs would be quite cool, one for TV and one for PJ.

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#267104 - 2017-08-22 15:52 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Carl]
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If the numbering convention stays the same as previous models (421 and HD621), then 7 inputs is the likely option. Perhaps the 7th one will also allow connection to a second unit.

One on the outputs might be audio only (for other non-Meridian kit), but it would be nice if you could use two displays.

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#267106 - 2017-08-22 16:39 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: bxd]
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Pretty sure UHD722 will follow the HD621 naming convention; i.e. 7 HDMI in 2HDMI out.

Great news as I'm planning 4K/HDR PJ and TV.

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#267113 - 2017-08-22 19:11 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Mat]
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The Trinnov board is 7 in 2 out. I wonder if it's the same one?

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#267133 - 2017-08-23 08:13 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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...That would just leave Atmos/X/Auro decoding and a van load of In-Walls and the 21st Century could really get going ;O)

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P.S. Board confirmed for Trinnov here scroll down to Aug 2 :

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#267199 - 2017-08-24 18:14 UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch
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Anyone know if the UHD722 will support ARC?

I stream from within my TV and would be very interested in seeing ARC capabilities.


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#267220 - 2017-08-25 08:32 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Jaapaap]
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Regarding ARC the chip I referenced in an earlier post is definitely capable and with apps being bundled with TVs it's probably needed too.

The only thing it doesn't do is DSD and OSD. I wonder what the odds are of a Group Buy like the HD621 back in the day ;O) May help to beat the price increases.

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#267232 - 2017-08-25 12:28 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
UHD722 I wonder if this device has 7 HDMI inputs and two HDMI outputs?

Having two outputs would be quite cool, one for TV and one for PJ.
Hi Carl,

I can confirm the 722 will have seven 4k HDMI inputs and two HDMI outputs.

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#267238 - 2017-08-25 13:39 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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#267243 - 2017-08-25 14:35 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: AudioImages - Rick]
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Thanks for the confirmation Rick.
I think having two HDMI outputs will be very popular.


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#267247 - 2017-08-25 17:53 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Carl]
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Hi

Feels like we are missing one product,

722 replaces HD621 - great

271 allows 16 DSPs for Atmos

Can we then have product in between which takes 722 MHR output, decodes Atmos and DTS:X, supports Trifield and room correction and sends multichannel digital to input on 271

I have a product number 816, eight channels in sixteen out!

How about Meridian releasing a roadmap?

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#267248 - 2017-08-25 17:54 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Linnasak]
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#267250 - 2017-08-25 18:27 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: _M_]
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#267251 - 2017-08-25 18:33 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Linnasak]
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Originally Posted By Linnasak
Can we then have product in between which takes 722 MHR output, decodes Atmos and DTS:X, supports Trifield and room correction and sends multichannel digital to input on 271
+1 from me as well.

Originally Posted By Linnasak
How about Meridian releasing a roadmap?
I think you'll see an 816 before you ever see one of those.


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#267257 - 2017-08-26 08:37 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: dBrowne]
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Apologies if I've missed it somewhere, but what do we think the likely cost of the new 722 HDMI box will be... £2k? Perhaps a bit more?


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#267258 - 2017-08-26 08:48 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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Given the proliferation, normalisation and commoditisation of HDMI technologies, I would naively expect the 722 to be under £1k. Especially if it is not going into a fancy box but instead uses the rather drab 200 series casework. cool


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#267259 - 2017-08-26 08:57 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Gianni]
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Functional question...

To my (albeit limited) knowledge, only Bluray players and a few selected satellite receivers are capable of outputting discrete multi-channel material. Will the UHD722, at last, decode DD, DD+, DTS, etc. so we can inject those formats discretely into the processor for upsampling and further secret saucing, while reducing the cable count?


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#267260 - 2017-08-26 09:02 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Gianni]
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Gianni

Agreed but I doubt it somehow, not including them prevents obsolescence when a new format is released, so as an updated HD621 I am with you on price circa £1000 max.


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#267262 - 2017-08-26 09:20 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Gianni]
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Originally Posted By Gianni
Will the UHD722, at last, decode DD, DD+, DTS, etc. so we can inject those formats discretely into the processor for upsampling and further secret saucing, while reducing the cable count?
Key question.


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#267304 - 2017-08-27 20:05 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By Not'arf
Apologies if I've missed it somewhere, but what do we think the likely cost of the new 722 HDMI box will be... £2k? Perhaps a bit more?
Just for a bit of fun but my guess is £1,749.99... at the very least!


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#267308 - 2017-08-28 02:54 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Simon Mirren]
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I'm going to guess GBP 1500, same as the old price of the HD621


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#267310 - 2017-08-28 07:56 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Jaapaap]
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I bet £2000 or more. You saw the price increases for everything else...


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#267311 - 2017-08-28 08:54 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ludwig]
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I would want built-in Atmos decoding etc for >£2k.

M have been behind the curve for far too long and only providing a solution (271) for someone with a £400 Denon receiver while ignoring those who have invested heavily over time in M speakers is living in denial.

Bluray, 4K Bluray and Streaming can all use Atmos so the content is already out there .

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#267313 - 2017-08-28 09:46 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Originally Posted By Meridialien
Bluray , 4K Bluray and Streaming can all use Atmos so the content is already out there .
And Sky are advertising it as available on satellite coverage of that game with men, grass and a ball.


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#267314 - 2017-08-28 10:12 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Gianni]
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Originally Posted By Gianni
Will the UHD722, at last, decode DD, DD+, DTS, etc. so we can inject those formats discretely into the processor for upsampling and further secret saucing, while reducing the cable count?
And if it decodes the newer formats, will it downmix 7.1 to 5.1 to allow a G series processor to be used?

(Or will there be an actual 7.1 G-Series and this will be required for 7.1 content?)

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#267315 - 2017-08-28 10:18 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: MattF]
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Sorry I am not following, are we still talking about the 722 (HDMI spliter) confused


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#267317 - 2017-08-28 10:36 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Albert]
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Yes but we are optimistically exploring what useful extra functionality it might include to justify its existence and, likely high, price.

We know:
- supports UHD sources
- 7 inputs
- 2 outputs
- strips discrete hi-res audio from video

We need:
- DD and DD+ onboard decoding, since most HDMI/HD sources use them as the primary audio codec

We would like:
- Atmos, etc. support
- a lower price point than the HD621


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Edited by Gianni; 2017-08-28 10:37. Edit Reason: Precision
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#267319 - 2017-08-28 11:26 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Gianni]
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Has anyone seen any photos? Would like to know if it uses same chassis as the HD621 (will HD621 be upgradable) or does it come in a completely new box.


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#267320 - 2017-08-28 11:48 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Originally Posted By Meridialien
M have been behind the curve for far too long and only providing a solution (271) for someone with a £400 Denon receiver while ignoring those who have invested heavily over time in M speakers is living in denial.
Not sure I follow you here. How is Meridian ignoring those heavily invested in DSP speakers by making a interface that allows the use of other processors?

It is quite the contrary, as the 271 keeps those speakers relevant in todays multichannel environment. Sure, you could use a £400 Denon receiver and you can also use a top of tbe line Trinnov. It opens up alot of possibilities.


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#267322 - 2017-08-28 12:11 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Mel_Moon]
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I would guess the UHD722 is primarily a 4K switch for use with the 861 and I wouldn't be surprised if it didn't have any decoding functions. If you are planning to use another processor (Marantz or Trinnov) with the 271 you don't need the UHD722.

I'd be amazed if the UHD722 could decode Atmos etc. - that would require details of speaker layout, distances etc. and a lot of processing power.


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#267323 - 2017-08-28 12:22 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Mel_Moon]
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Originally Posted By Mel_Moon
It opens up alot of possibilities.
None of them involving M's own processors which would be the preferred option. I think most people would endure a £500 premium (more than the cost of the Denon) to keep their system all-Meridian.

That's not to say that I'm not wildly envious of Cliff's Trinnov :O) it's just simply not an option for me.

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#267324 - 2017-08-28 12:25 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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Originally Posted By Cliff.
I'd be amazed if the UHD722 could decode Atmos etc. - that would require details of speaker layout, distances etc. and a lot of processing power.
Good point which I had not considered.


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#267694 - 2017-09-10 21:12 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Gianni]
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Well, CEDIA is now basically over. I thought from Meridian's press release that they would be introducing the 722 and start taking orders. Product release sometime later this year.

Has anyone heard anything at all. Nothing online that I can find.

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#267697 - 2017-09-10 21:47 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Wayne]
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#267700 - 2017-09-11 04:12 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I'd be amazed if it did any decoding.


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#267815 - 2017-09-15 13:08 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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So no sign of a UHD722 in the wild?

I guess it is in the new installation format, without display? Am curious about that. I always missed having a clear indication of what was going on in the HD621.


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#267817 - 2017-09-15 13:41 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ludwig]
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I suspect it will look exactly like HD621 . Not much wiser after Cedia . With the arrival of the 271 it seems more likely anyone keen on Atmos capability will go that way as M seem to prefer putting their efforts into Stereo/5.1 only.

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#267820 - 2017-09-15 14:14 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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I read in an article it would feature the 200 series casework and would cost around 2k,just repeating what I read so don't shoot the messenger.


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#267828 - 2017-09-15 17:17 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Jon Raines]
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I attended CEDIA and M had a prototype 722 on display - it looked like the HD621 without the glass inset (sorry I didn't take a photo) but it didn't have any connections displayed on the rear panel so not quite ready yet. The sign said coming later this year.

I got the feeling from speaking with M staff it was going to be just like the HD621 in its functionality (no additional processing added).

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#268286 - 2017-10-03 21:36 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: JOE-C]
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Either way, with more and more 4K presence in the home, Amazon, Roku and Apple TV 4K, nVidia Shield, Kaleidescape, Satellite and 4K UHD discs it would be very helpful to get some idea of the UHD722's capabilities and possible release date.

My own TV only has 2 HDR compatible HDMI inputs so I could really do with a HD621 replacement.

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#268298 - 2017-10-04 13:31 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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An option in the mean time might be the Kalidescape unit that has the has a 1.4 HDMI audio only output option?


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#268299 - 2017-10-04 13:50 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Struttmaster]
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You could also follow that strategy with the Lumagen Pro range. Not cheap though but I've no doubt it would be excellent at upscaling 1080p material to 4k. The 4444 Pro model is on my wish list.


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#268301 - 2017-10-04 14:48 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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I see a problem with Audio Out on HDMI as there is no way to get that into 861 without the SmartLink connectors or MMHR both of which top out at 7.1. Digital Coax would limit audio further to Lossy 7.1.

An alternative could be an Amp/Decoder into 271 (maybe even into 861) but without knowing what M have in mind it’s hard to tell.

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#268306 - 2017-10-04 16:05 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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I was assuming people would keep their HD621s


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#268309 - 2017-10-04 17:03 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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With a shiny new toy in the offing? Unlikely.


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#268315 - 2017-10-04 21:00 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: dpstjp]
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I agree. HD621 + 722 + 861 still equals no Atmos etc. which does seem an unsatisfactory solution both in terms of outcome and box count.

When the HD621 came out it was tolerated because it got the job done within a Meridian system and, better still, kept HDMI out of 861. Certainly, the arrival of 271 seems to imply that M have no intention of providing their own Atmos decoding solution.

Hopefully we will get some news soon as anyone in M-World planning to go Atmos by Christmas will struggle to find a path.

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#268326 - 2017-10-05 07:34 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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I wouldn’t be too negative; the 722\861 combination is an attractive option for HT fans not interested in expanding beyond 7.1 audio but want to enjoy 4k\HDR displays. On the HDMI front, M are not far behind Trinnov as the upgrade cards for the Altitude only became available at the end of August.

The 271 at least shows 3D audio codecs are on M’s radar and will probably form the platform on which their own processor will be built. Admittedly, that may take a while to emerge.



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#268327 - 2017-10-05 07:41 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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Originally Posted By Cliff.
The 271 at least shows 3D audio codecs are on M’s radar and will probably from the platform on which their own processor will be built. Admittedly, that may take a while to emerge.
One of the things that is all too apparent to me at Roon is that there are infinite possibilities and finite resources. Prioritization is critical and, quite often, delivering the product that you want to falls behind taking steps to secure and grow the business. I see exactly this happening at Meridian: for too long Meridian hasn't really been a profitable company; it's now executing a strategy to build a foundation for growth which will fund other areas. That means concentrating on the install market and interoperability products. For now.


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#268333 - 2017-10-05 10:00 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: VirusKiller]
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That makes perfect sense. It seems the pyramid has been inverted ‘ and what used to come to 800 Series first and then trickle down may have to be developed for mainstream instead just like MQA .

Hopefully good things will come eventually

M


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#268335 - 2017-10-05 10:29 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Obviously we all want Meridian to stay profitable and flourish. At the same time I don't see myself ever buying a 200-series box because they look horrible and rely on I-device control.

I really need something with the 218 feature set - but with a display and front panel controls. Otherwise my wife and children will essentially be locked out.

Clearly Meridian have chosen not to make such a device at this time because it won't make enough profit, but in releasing only installation products, aren't they risking permanently losing the rest of their historic markets? (Maybe that makes business sense for them, but it seems rather extreme.)

Rather like Ferrari deciding only to make trucks and not release a single sports car again. It's essentially turning Meridian into an entirely different kind of company.

Back to the topic I'd buy a 722 and hide it if I had to. But won't buy it for kicks unless it has a display, which I don't think it does.


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#268349 - 2017-10-05 17:56 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ludwig]
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I am planning/hoping to control my 218 with the front panel of my G68 or the MRC using a DIN to Speakerlink comms cable currently winging its way from the UK. Should be able to let you know how I got on in a couple of weeks. Digital out from the G68 to the 218, analogue out from the 218 to my amps.


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#268360 - 2017-10-06 07:32 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ludwig]
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Originally Posted By Ludwig
Obviously we all want Meridian to stay profitable and flourish. At the same time I don't see myself ever buying a 200-series box because they look horrible and rely on I-device control.

Back to the topic I'd buy a 722 and hide it if I had to.


I think that's kind of Meridian's point Ludwig....most (potential) buyers probably aren't into "hi-fi", they're only interested in the sound it makes. i.e. they probably don't want several large boxes cluttering up the living room, they want it all hidden away somewhere with (probably) just the speakers on display. The days of hi-fi racks full of dozens of Naim power amps & separate power supplies or Meridian 800 / 861 / HD621 etc etc are probably seen as a retro throwback and something for the enthusiast only. And hi-fi enthusiast, not music enthusiast at that.


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#268364 - 2017-10-06 08:07 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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I agree with that to some extent but I don’t see why 'cosmetically pleasing' and 'rack mountable' need to be mutually exclusive. The use of vivid colours in the new facia is not to my taste.


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#268368 - 2017-10-06 08:39 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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I don't want to clutter up my sitting room either. but to have one unit with a volume knob and buttons to select sources is essential in a normal family situation.

Currently I'm more likely to buy a used AC200/MS200 pair than a 218.


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#268369 - 2017-10-06 08:51 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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I suppose if all these 200 Series things are designed to be rack-mounted then you dont need the Allen Boothroyd design ethos applied as the really clever design is inside the box . A recent European Meridian Price List has an Explorer2 at under 200 euros while a pair of 8000 SEs are a cool 50000 euros . Its hard for the general public to decide exactly what kind of company M are . In fact , there was a comment by a poster recently on Avsforum when M were referred to in a Cedia Report that he had thought of them as an 80s company as he hadn't come across them since !

I think the decision to forego direct interaction with people as a company
and also to pare back user-doable software updates ( in fact , almost any major updates ) however understandable the intent was at the time have left the company with an identity problem . Something simple like iPhone
snaps of the stand and their new toys at Cedia would spread the word far beyond the exhibition hall but instead we have to trawl through Bing and Google to find anything meaningful beyond the preliminary press releases.

God be with the days when any of us could be asked to test-drive new software or products to squish the bugs for the benefit of all shocked

All that said , I'm sure the 722 will be a great , if late , addition to the range . Just hope its sensibly priced ;O

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#268370 - 2017-10-06 10:53 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ludwig]
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Originally Posted By Ludwig
I don't want to clutter up my sitting room either. but to have one unit with a volume knob and buttons to select sources is essential in a normal family situation.

Currently I'm more likely to buy a used AC200/MS200 pair than a 218.
I see what your getting at, but having an MS200 suggests Roon or Sooloos, which means that you would also need a family friendly remote as well (that presumably isn't the tablet/PC type device that you are trying to avoid).

With the Roon software, selecting the 218 as the zone and then playing a track automatically selects the Roon source on the 218.

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#268397 - 2017-10-07 15:20 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: VirusKiller]
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I believe that Meridian is struggling to find their way and to ensure positive free cash flow. Not to overuse the car analogy, but what Meridian is doing with its recent product releases, is similar to what some car companies do, to ensure positive free cash flow, as existing products/technology get a little stale. That is, raiding the existing parts bin, to "develop" new products. I will use Porsche as an example, who magically developed the "GTS" line of many of its cars, which really are just a collection of options and parts from its turbo and other models, with little to no innovation, though with a sizable markup.. and ensuring high cash flow from the original platform that might be getting a little long in the tooth.

Meridian isn't cracking the development curve with the 200 series of products, offering elements of its existing products, in stripped out boxes, for professional integration. This isn't a criticism, it's just an observation. The development of a new fancy box with all the product bells and whistles for display in the living room would require an investment in the development of a product that would cost more.
With the HDMI processor, there is little in the way of innovation here, it's just providing customers with parts that almost certainly exist in their parts bin, in combination a third party HDMI tech.

Meridian could have taken the world by storm, by extending the Trinnov, by applying a DAC processor, for analog customers. If there is a criticism of the trinnov line, it is that their DAC tech isn't on par with the rest of their tech. M has almost the exact opposite issue. Imagine a box that took that digital outputs of Trinnov and ran them through a bank of Meridian DAC's.. to your analog setup? That would be innovation, not what we got, which was a necessary attempt to remain relevant within the world of high-end speaker technology.

Over a year ago, I said that Meridian was going to have to join forces with Trinnov. I would have preferred a modified Altitude with Meridian DAC tech, but that would have required a sizable investment into development and drain on Free cash flow, which I suspect Meridian cannot support today. Let's hope that eventually, we get there.


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#268398 - 2017-10-07 16:15 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Yetis]
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Or maybe modified Onkyo like Japanese Atmos processor with digital output?
I don't feel right about the ADC part of 271.
For me I am pretty happy with what I have now.


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#268427 - 2017-10-08 15:45 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Albert]
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There are new more powerful DSP chipsets coming next year for Atmos I’ve heard.. Maybe it’s a better place for the new multichannel platform.


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#269187 - 2017-10-23 01:17 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Crion]
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I’m disappointed this isn’t an upgrade for the HD621. High end companies are are supposed to be better than the landfill upgrades of low end consumer electronics.


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#269189 - 2017-10-23 01:59 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Sam Edwards]
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There comes a time where the hardware just can't be upgraded. This happens to be one of them. 4k, HDR, HDCP 2.2, etc, exceeds the capability of the hardware within the HD621.


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#269202 - 2017-10-23 11:31 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Fitcaz]
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Did anyone quote the exact HDMI version employed in UHD722?

Are they targeting HDMI 2.1? Given the timing...


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#269205 - 2017-10-23 11:46 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Crion]
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It appears that they will be using the same one as Trinnov

HDMI Board

2.1 isn't available as yet apparently .

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#270207 - 2017-11-25 09:44 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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This was supposed to be out by the end of the year... anyone heard any news on it?

Thanks,

Richard


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#270208 - 2017-11-25 11:43 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: RGraham]
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In the absence of any data sheet or YouTube video I wouldn’t be too hopeful of it arriving
before Christmas . Last time I asked my dealer it looked like Quarter 1 2018 . Meridian are
legendary for the flexibility of their launch dates .

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#270210 - 2017-11-25 12:30 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Suspected as much.

Not convinced I even need one if I stick with optical out for Sky Q and HDMI from the Sony UHD player into my HD621. May look at switches that can take two HDMI in and output two HDMI feeds.

Have been really impressed by the Sky Q box, and have the one with the external power supply.

Will explore.

Thanks,
Richard


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#270324 - 2017-11-29 19:17 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: RGraham]
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Bummer, been looking forward to this and was hoping for a release this side of Christmas to replace my HD621.


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#270409 - 2017-12-02 18:23 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Stephan]
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Haven't been able to get to M's website all day today so maybe something is actually coming wink

.....or else someone forgot to pay the bill :O)

~M~


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#270463 - 2017-12-04 11:42 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Website is back up and running, no 722 though.


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#270489 - 2017-12-05 00:05 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Are there any recommendation for a non Meridian 4k HDMI audio de-embedder switch to use with Meridian processors until the 722 arrives?


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#270491 - 2017-12-05 03:35 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: G Hardy]
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I am using this one
4hdmi2.0 in 1hdmi2.0 out with separate SPDIF(3.5mm optical),60usd cheap stuff


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#270499 - 2017-12-05 12:28 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Albert]
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Originally Posted By Albert
I am using this one
4hdmi2.0 in 1hdmi2.0 out with separate spdif(3.5mm optical),60usd cheap stuff


does the uhd722 perform any better than that $60 unit? my hunch is they pass same quality.

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#270500 - 2017-12-05 12:39 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: _M_]
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I would not say that wink
with this switch you can not get HD audio.


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#270501 - 2017-12-05 13:02 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Albert]
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i meant video-wise. but i couldn't read the specs in your link.

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#270502 - 2017-12-05 15:31 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: _M_]
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Who knows, but I do use a power bank to power the switch, at least make me feel good. smile


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#270506 - 2017-12-05 20:35 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Albert]
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Would something with 2 4K HDMIs out work - one to the TV and one to an HD621 or wouldn't the HD621 be able to handle the signal?

Cheers
Tom


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#270507 - 2017-12-05 20:52 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: GMT]
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Could a 4K Oppo do the trick with or without the HD621?


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#270508 - 2017-12-05 21:57 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Mtns]
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That is a great question! It has an HDMI in.


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#270509 - 2017-12-06 15:00 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: G Hardy]
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I run an Amazon Fire into Oppo 203 which also gives me Netflix access . Audio runs to HD621 and then 861 video direct to screen . The only limitation is , for those that may care , no Atmos . In my case , the tv has 4 HDMIs but only 2 are 4K compatible , therefore Oppo gets 1 and Sky Q the other . No room to expand .

~M~


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#270510 - 2017-12-06 15:49 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Great thanks. I also spoke with Oppo - either of the new players will take 4K HDMI in and output the audio via Coax/optical.


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#270512 - 2017-12-06 16:25 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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not to veer too ot here, but nothing from amazon (CIA/NSA) enters my home, ever. this is a corporate welfare queen company that loses money every single quarter while putting honest shops out of businesses all while spying on you w/ their devices. and now they want to install electronic automated locks so they can enter your home to better deliver your items, which they'll lose even more money on as they continue to "grow".

Orwell's 1984 had nothing on this kind of evil. and it's only getting worse.


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#270513 - 2017-12-06 16:54 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: _M_]
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I was a little bemused to find physical Amazon book shops in New York.


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#270514 - 2017-12-06 16:59 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: GMT]
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Long term is to own the high street.

And when they do run it on no staff, paying bugger all tax.

Coming to the UK too.

Amazon Go coming the the UK

Problem is, when the high streets dry up so will everything that goes with it, bars, restaurants, coffee shops, and at that point we will end up with a poverty gap that is truly Dickensian.

But we have Jean Claude Juncker and his merry men rubbing their hands together, while all the time telling everyone that 'This is the best thing to happen for the good of the people."
Errr..OK?!



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#270516 - 2017-12-06 18:56 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: gIzzE]
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correct GlzzE. it becomes ever more dystopian as Amazon serves as the global Company Store, with the IMF's one-world SDR currency, which will be labelled the SDRcoin a la bitcoin (but v diff), ushering in the cashless globalist run gov crypto "fiat" which Amazon will except as only form of payment.

i could take you further down the proverbial rabbit hole, but, alas, let's refocus back on M topic. M sans any Amazon gadgets grin


@GMT: Amazon loses money on most every transaction in their core biz (w/ AMS cloud having their first, biggest and best client the CIA hence they are only side of biz that turns profit), so Amazon can afford to lose even more money on exorbitant NYC rent -- it's literally free money.

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#270517 - 2017-12-06 19:14 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: _M_]
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I fear we may have wandered OT just a touch... smile


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#270520 - 2017-12-06 22:04 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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...Did we ever ...?

We started off with 722 , then Amazon ....

....and how much are the 8000 SEs ?

Comedy Hour :O)

~M~


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#270524 - 2017-12-06 23:46 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Are there any specs for the 722 yet? I would be very interested if it had ARC!


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#270534 - 2017-12-07 09:34 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Jaapaap]
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No specs other than the announcement of it replacing HD621 but if , as seems likely , they use the same board as Trinnov , it is Arc capable

M


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#270537 - 2017-12-07 10:27 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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If they are using the MDS board (and I’m not sure there’s any evidence of that) then we’ll know from the specs as it’s been configured in peculiar way.

Only Output 2 is configured as 2.0 while Output 1 is configured as 1.4b. Inputs 4 to 7 are configured as 2.0 and can pass up to 4K @ 4:4:4 (18Gbps) while Inputs 1 to 3 are only configured as 1.4b and can pass up to 4K @ 4:2:2

Let's wait and see what the reality is.


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#270560 - 2017-12-08 01:42 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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Hey guys,

Wanted to get the groups thoughts on the Altona Juno-X 451 altona.com 4K HDR 4-input HDMI switcher with Auto-switching and return optical audio as a replacement for the HD621 which I currently have connected to my G65.

What are the advantages of getting the UHD722 which I gather is a 4K switcher over the Altona? Is there is some secret Meridian sauce to this piece I need to be aware of if so please share.

Thanks!


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#270565 - 2017-12-08 10:29 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Blickman]
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First page....

UHD722 HDMI Processor will provide a 4K switch solution with MMHR output for connection to existing processors.


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#270913 - 2017-12-20 15:29 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: gIzzE]
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Apparently we'll know more on Feb 6, 2018.


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#270957 - 2017-12-21 21:37 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Zaphod]
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Maybe we will hear something at ces in January ????

~M~


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#271348 - 2018-01-02 20:20 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Provisional datasheet is now online.

Looking forward to learning more soon. Maybe at CES, but if not, should be at ISE in Feb.

Wayne


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#271349 - 2018-01-02 20:32 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Wayne]
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Direct link: UHD722 HDMI Processor Provisional Datasheet PDF

Seems no ARC, which would be a very disappointing showstopper for me, as I stream a lot directly on my TV.


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#271351 - 2018-01-02 21:12 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Jaapaap]
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Interesting, the SpeakerLink output.

Could it connect to DSP directly without processor?


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#271352 - 2018-01-02 21:13 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Jaapaap]
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Only one of the outputs is HDCP 2 compatible, I wonder if all the inputs are?


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#271353 - 2018-01-02 21:40 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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Doesn't look like they put much into the design budget.


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#271355 - 2018-01-02 22:37 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Jeje]
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Originally Posted By Jeje
Interesting, the SpeakerLink output.

Could it connect to DSP directly without processor?
I expect so, just configure it for 2 channel... so the HDMI sources downmix correctly.

Regards,
Carl


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#271356 - 2018-01-02 22:47 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Jeje]
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Originally Posted By Jeje
Interesting, the SpeakerLink output.
Could it connect to DSP directly without processor?
Sure, like the HD621 can.

But the main point is, that SL output is the only Comms connection it has. It mentions a supplied SL-Comms dongle.


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#271362 - 2018-01-03 10:57 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ludwig]
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Very interested to see the price point for this as it really isn't easy to see why such a long developmental period was necessary apart from updated parts (HDMI 2.0b ?) It also seems strange that M are now partnering with LG and yet (possibly) not providing ARC capability for Netflix/Prime etc. The usual first-run M Datasheet that brings more questions than answers :O)

Why no ordinary M Comms? Without 2.2 HDCP on each input it really wouldn't provide true 4K switching with any room for expansion.

~M~


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#271363 - 2018-01-03 11:40 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Could I just stick one of these after my 4K source and then feed the audio HDMI into my HD621?

Egreat H10


Shaun

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#271364 - 2018-01-03 11:48 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Parky43007]
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If your source has split HDMI output then the audio feed will most likely already work with the HD621...

I have my Oppo 203 video going directly to my Lumagen Pro and the audio directly to the HD621
I have my Amazon Fire TV going into an HDFury Integral, which splits the feed and sends the audio to the HD621

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#271372 - 2018-01-03 16:09 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Mark_H]
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Thanks.
Although we don't know the price yet it seems as though there are lower cost options, and I would guess much lower wink , to changing my HD621 for a 722.


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#271373 - 2018-01-03 16:26 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Parky43007]
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#271377 - 2018-01-03 23:17 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Good to see they haven't lost their sense of humour anyway :O)


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#271382 - 2018-01-04 07:37 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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What was the HD621 before ts price drop? Iirc it was £1500 in UK.


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#271384 - 2018-01-04 08:22 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ian]
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That’s my recollection also. A number of us got together for a group buy when it first came out (for about £1100 a unit) which really annoyed M at the time.


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#271387 - 2018-01-04 10:36 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ian]
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When I first became a dealer in 2014, the HD621 was $3000.00 msrp


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#271388 - 2018-01-04 10:43 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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So hopefully same price as HD621 was before its end of life price drop.


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#271389 - 2018-01-04 10:47 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Ian]
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I'd settle for the same price as the HD621 after its end-of-life drop, Ian.


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#271390 - 2018-01-04 10:50 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By Not'arf
Apologies if I've missed it somewhere, but what do we think the likely cost of the new 722 HDMI box will be... £2k? Perhaps a bit more?
This was my guess back in the summer. Might not be too far out...


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#271392 - 2018-01-04 12:17 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Meridialien]
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Originally Posted By Meridialien
Good to see they haven't lost their sense of humour anyway :O)
so funny, it's egregious.

$3,000 for a switcher like this in 2018 is ludicrous.

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#271393 - 2018-01-04 12:41 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: _M_]
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Trinnov charges £550 for their upgrade card so, given the 722 come with additional electronics, its own box and PSU plus the costs of marketing as separate product, I don’t think £1500 is too far from the mark for a premium audio product. Most dealers will also offer some discount if you ask nicely.

I think the problem M may have is that the 271 is to some extent a competing product allowing you incorporate a 4k switch + processor into your DSP system

PS - Lumagen charge £300 per HDMI input to upgrade from 9 to 18GHz on their Pro series


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#271394 - 2018-01-04 12:44 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: dpstjp]
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Of course, too bad the new iPhone isn't the same price as the older versions.


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#271396 - 2018-01-04 12:52 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Mel_Moon]
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yeah, compare the current iPhone to the one that was released around the time the HD621 was released. that's called extreme deflation. M's replacement switcher, not so much; more at inflationary...

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#271398 - 2018-01-04 13:09 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: _M_]
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Will the UHD722 have a good quality LPSU?


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#271399 - 2018-01-04 14:33 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Crion]
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Hi,

The Integrated Home (TIH) News Blog suggests:

"Housed in Meridian's austere CI house style (but functional) black aluminium box design and priced at £2000. HD621 trade in options are forthcoming. Formal product launch is scheduled for ISE Amsterdam in early February. Product availability March 2018."

Brian


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#271400 - 2018-01-04 15:23 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: bxd]
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I might be comparing apples & pears, but it's possible to buy a highly-regarded 11 channel Atmos receiver from several of the Japanese giants for the same money, with every bell & whistle known to man.


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#271403 - 2018-01-04 16:18 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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Originally Posted By Not'arf
I might be comparing apples & pears, but it's possible to buy a highly-regarded 11 channel Atmos receiver from several of the Japanese giants for the same money, with every bell & whistle known to Man.
you mean the highly regarded 11 chan Atmos receiver from Japan that Meridian used to demo their 271? the same Japanese receiver that costs less than half of the 722 while also having the 722 features built-in, save for the mmhr, which is moot in that setup?

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Will the UHD722 have a good quality LPSU?
what comes after LPSU?


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#271404 - 2018-01-04 16:43 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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Yes, but none of those products are a drop in plug and play replacement for the HD621 and the UHD722 is just that. Yes, there are a few products out there that do 4k switching but many of them will not do it on all the inputs which the 722 reportedly will. Meridian doesn't have the economy of scale that the mass market manufacturers do.


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#271406 - 2018-01-04 17:01 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Does this device do anything functionally* unique compared with other HDMI hardware other than extract the discrete digital channels in the HDMI from pre-decoded multichannel sources and integrate source switching with Meridian comms?

* i.e. not related to SQ


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#271407 - 2018-01-04 17:05 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Gianni]
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From a straight switching standpoint, no. But it is the only product designed to work seamlessly with your Meridian system.


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#271410 - 2018-01-04 17:58 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Hi Bruce,

Above someone mentioned a trade-in program for the HD621. Do you have any info or an idea how that will play? Something like what they did with the 861v4 trade-in for the v6?

Thanks.


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#271411 - 2018-01-04 18:01 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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So it's just a re-badged HD621 with a 4K part? How did that double the cost say, compared to new 200 Series Products which seem to offer better value for money $ for $?
I hope that there's good trade-in value on the HD621.

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#271412 - 2018-01-04 18:32 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: WorldAttorney]
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I have not heard of any trade in program yet. I am sure most dealers will work something out. I would offer something in the area of the current resale value of the HD621 ($750.00 ish).


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#271413 - 2018-01-04 18:37 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I met with Meridian America’s western sales manager in November and he told me there would be a trade-in program to upgrade from the HD621 to the UHD722. He did not have any further details at that time, nor have I heard anything else since. It hopefully will become clearer in February.

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#271446 - 2018-01-05 18:15 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Wayne]
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I sure hope that trade-in program brings costs much closer to around £1k, hopefully even less. The way it looks, the 722 is just another stopgap before the "real" solution shows up. Not that I need any of the new codecs now, but I'd have a much better feeling if they'd tell me the 722 can pass through the bitstream to a future 861v10 which does the decoding. At that point the 722 would be a better investment, because it looks like a regular 4k capable HDMI switch in combination with a HDfury and the HD621 is the better way to go.

I'm well aware Meridian is a high-end brand and given the £550 price tag for the already mentioned Trinnov upgrade, it might even seem fair. The difference is Trinnov does all the bells and whistles now while Meridian's solution for the endgame might be much, much more expensive.

Could also be a sign to sell the 861v8 and look into 271 + Trinnov or Datasat. Would be interesting to know if the Arcam 860 could be modified for digital output. Meridian already using Marantz processors for their demos speaks for itself. frown


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#271447 - 2018-01-05 18:37 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Stephan]
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Makes me laugh people trying to justify the price. I think Aston Martins are expensive so I dont buy one. So it's just a re-badged HD621 with a 4K part ie a 2k switch now doubles to 4k with an extra input and output - well if you need that functionality then pay the price.

It's a stopgap before the "real" solution. Well my Tesla is just a stopgap before my hydrogen fuel cell autonomous car arrives - in 20 years time. The 722 would have been sexier with an MQA capability though and a firmware upgrade for MQA pass-through on processors.


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#271449 - 2018-01-05 20:26 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Fitcaz]
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Originally Posted By Fitcaz
So it's just a re-badged HD621 with a 4K part ie a 2k switch now doubles to 4k with an extra input and output
Actually it quadruples the resolution, but that's just a technical detail. And don't worry, the functionality is already here and has been for years. It's just that Meridian’s way of doing it will show up in the near future and people will have to decide what's the best way to do it.

Originally Posted By Fitcaz
Well my Tesla is just a stopgap before my hydrogen fuel cell autonomous car arrives - in 20 years time.
You're missing the point. That car doesn't exist, it might in 20 years... maybe sooner, maybe later. 4k switching, pass through and decoding of new formats and channels has been around for a while and the majority of manufacturers targeting the home theater and custom installation market already support it.

Anything is a stopgap until something new comes around. 4k is a stopgap, same can be said for 8k. The point is, from a technological point of view the 722 is outdated already, the new technology is already available. I guess it catches up, but is still two steps behind. Reminds me alot about the HD621 situation when HD-DVD and Bluray came out and there was a looong wait for a solution to arrive and the solution was to decode in the source. This doesn't work anymore for everyone, since more and more devices just pass the bitstream. For new formats like Atmos, it doesn't work at all. Before the HD621 came out, I just bought another processor and used that for a while (in an analogue system). Thanks to Meridian and the 271 I could do the same now with my DSPs. The question is, do I want to... and I'm not alone asking this question.

Since Meridian doesn't share a future roadmap, there only seem to be three choices. 1.) Put the money into the 722 and replace it "soon" (by Meridian's standard that could be a long time though) with something that supports the new codecs and more channels. 2.) Leave things the way they are (3rd party switch + HDCP stripper + HD621) or replace 861+HD621 with a 271 + Trinnov/Datasat. I guess for those who don't mind to have something analogue between the source and the DSPs, any processor would work.

The existence of the 271 is what's making me wonder if we will get something more up-to-date in the future or they'll just tell people to buy a processor from someone else. For the latter, there really isn't a point investing in a 722 now, is there?


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#271450 - 2018-01-05 21:06 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Stephan]
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Why would you need to replace the 722 'soon'? If a processor that supports the new codes comes along from Meridian, surely the 722 would still be able to supply the required bitstream to the new processor. I don’t see why it shouldn't remain valid until it runs out of your desired HDMI upgrades. (And who needs 8K anyway?).

Edit: I agree with you on the timescale and the key decision (for those who give a s**t about the new codecs) is do you wait (probably several years) for M's contribution of jump ship via the 271 etc.


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Edited by Cliff.; 2018-01-05 21:17.
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#271476 - 2018-01-06 14:10 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Fitcaz]
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Originally Posted By Fitcaz
Well my Tesla is just a stopgap before my hydrogen fuel cell autonomous car arrives - in 20 years time.
i guess the Marantz is that hydrogen fuel cell autonomous car available today at half the price of the junky tesla. (btw, would never ever equate M to the junky cash burn taxpayer subsidized scam that is tesla.)

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#271489 - 2018-01-06 18:05 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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Quote:
Why would you need to replace the 722 'soon'?
To make a free selection of sources. Not every source can decode newer codecs such as DTS-HD MA to 8 channel PCM. Then the only option that remains is lossy audio.
In the long run, more channels might become attractive as well (Atmos, etc.). But that of course requires a decoding solution which might or might not come.

Quote:
If a processor that supports the new codes comes along from Meridian, surely the 722 would still be able to supply the required bitstream to the new processor.
And that's the big question. Is it able to extract the audio bitstream of any of the new formats and pass it through to a future M processor? If it can do that, it's perfectly fine. If it can't, it will require yet another replacement.

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(And who needs 8K anyway?)
Need, probably no one, but then again who really needs 4k or 2k? There was a time, when laserdiscs to 7" CRTs made everyone smile. Later it was laserdisc with a quadrupler to 9" CRT, then DVD, at some point digital projection and so on. So who wants 8k? Probably alot of people, I certainly do. Of course we need more content and display technology to get better.


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#271491 - 2018-01-06 19:54 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Stephan]
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I think it’s highly unlikely that decoding of Atmos, DTS:X etc. will ever happen in the player - think about much data would be required (speaker layout, positions, gains, bass managment etc.) for 12+ channels. The player would have to be the processor as well. HDMI chipsets have allowed HD bitstream passthrough for yonks (3D codecs included) and I’d be amazed if the 722 didn’t support it when\if required.

As for 8k, pixel count already exceeds what’s visible for display viewing and IMHO it’s only VR applications that will benefit from higher pixel counts. Image processing is far more important. See this thread if you need convincing.


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Edited by Cliff.; 2018-01-06 19:58.
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#271550 - 2018-01-08 19:17 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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Originally Posted By Cliff.
HDMI chipsets have allowed HD bitstream passthrough for yonks (3D codecs included) and I’d be amazed if the 722 didn’t support it when\if required.
To clarify, do you mean HDMI to HDMI passthrough (which I don't doubt at all) or HDMI into the 722, extracting the HD audio bitstream there and passing it through via MMHR to a future M processor (which I have my doubts about)?

Since the 722 has two HDMI outputs, another option would be to hook up one to TV/projector and the other into a future M processor, which would then require at least one HDMI input. Since Meridian always said they want to keep HDMI out of the processor, I consider this unlikely. Guess we have to wait and see what happens.


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#271556 - 2018-01-08 21:04 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Stephan]
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Yes, you’re right, nothing is certain regarding what will pass through the MMHR connection. (Although with the HD621, we do know that you can send two 2Ch bitstream via one Smartlink connection). Surely, M will make it happen if they do indeed bring out a more advanced processor and surely that can’t expect their customers to invest in further HDMI switching kit. However, at the present, the 722 is being sold as a 4K upgrade for their existing processors and should be purchased as such.

If you want Atmos etc. in a reasonable timeframe, IMHO the 271 is the way to go for a DSP speaker set-up. Looks like the new Trinnov 16 model has digital outputs (when they get enabled) so the price of an all-digital 271 solution is coming down (but still expensive).


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Edited by Cliff.; 2018-01-08 21:18. Edit Reason: corrected number
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#271557 - 2018-01-08 21:18 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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you mean the 271 for the Trinnov? surely not the 722?

it seems these new M numerical designations are confusing some here in a kind of dyslexic way; well, at least in my case...

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#271558 - 2018-01-08 21:19 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: _M_]
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Indeed. corrected


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#271561 - 2018-01-08 21:50 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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I was told the Altitude 16 is analog only and will not have a digital option.


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#271562 - 2018-01-08 22:15 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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The Altitude 16 has two AES67 audio outputs (when they’re enabled that is)


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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#271563 - 2018-01-08 22:19 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Cliff.]
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Just what the Rep says.


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Personal System #1 Theta Digital Cassablanca 4, 818v3, 218, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Boston Acoustics Lynnfield 500L series 2, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Personal System #2 F80.

Crestron control and multi room audio via Meridian 258 amplifiers.
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#271564 - 2018-01-08 22:26 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Heard the same thing about the Altitude 16, analogue only. For a digital system it seems to be Altitude 32 and Datasat RS20i, both of which are limited to 16 channels when using the digital output. I think someone mentioned to me there's going to be a 32 channel digital upgrade coming for the Altitude 32 in 2018. Another option (have not heard it yet) seems to be the Storm Audio ISP, which already does up to 32 channels with digital output, but I think everything is downsampled to 48kHz. CBIV might also be an option but limited to 11.2 (?).

Again, not that I need the number of channels, but when investing a larger sum into equipment, it might be something to consider. They're all in a similar price range as the 861v8 and v8 is probably even more considering most of us went from v4 to v6 and then to v8. I've been out of the DIY audio electronics game for a couple of years, but I still wonder if a modern and cheaper processor like a Marantz or Arcam could be modified for a digital output. No idea what chips they're using these days and if it's even possible. But I guess that's really a discussion for another thread. Will do some digging and post if I find anything.


- Stephan
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#271565 - 2018-01-08 22:29 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Well the Alt16 unit does have two RJ45 audio outputs on its back panel and I heard (second hand) that Trinnov planned to enable them some time this year. Could all be BS of course smile


Main system - Sources (Kodi-HTPC, FireTV, Sat) into Trinnov Altitude 32 (8-16) (+Roon), Trinnov Amplitude 8 amp & Vivid Audio (Giya G3, V1.5) and REL Stentor III speakers. Others: F80 + Raspberry Pi and other Pi systems.
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