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#271399 - 2018-01-04 14:33 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Crion]
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bxd Offline
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Hi,

The Integrated Home (TIH) News Blog suggests:

"Housed in Meridian's austere CI house style (but functional) black aluminium box design and priced at £2000. HD621 trade in options are forthcoming. Formal product launch is scheduled for ISE Amsterdam in early February. Product availability March 2018."

Brian


Main: G65, MD600, MS600, 218, HD621, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & D1500.
System 2: G91A, MS200, DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
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#271400 - 2018-01-04 15:23 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: bxd]
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I might be comparing apples & pears, but it's possible to buy a highly-regarded 11 channel Atmos receiver from several of the Japanese giants for the same money, with every bell & whistle known to man.


Audio: MC200, G61R SL, HD621, DSP5500, 5500HC, DSP3100. Subs: 2 x REL G2.
Video: JVC X70, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen 129"(2.35).

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#271404 - 2018-01-04 16:43 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Not'arf]
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CMB Integrations - Bruce Offline
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Yes, but none of those products are a drop in plug and play replacement for the HD621 and the UHD722 is just that. Yes, there are a few products out there that do 4k switching but many of them will not do it on all the inputs which the 722 reportedly will. Meridian doesn't have the economy of scale that the mass market manufacturers do.


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Personal System #1 Theta Digital Cassablanca 4, 218, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 600S, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

Crestron control and multi room audio via Meridian 258 amplifiers.
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#271406 - 2018-01-04 17:01 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Does this device do anything functionally* unique compared with other HDMI hardware other than extract the discrete digital channels in the HDMI from pre-decoded multichannel sources and integrate source switching with Meridian comms?

* i.e. not related to SQ


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#271407 - 2018-01-04 17:05 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Gianni]
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From a straight switching standpoint, no. But it is the only product designed to work seamlessly with your Meridian system.


www.cmbintegrations.com

Personal System #1 Theta Digital Cassablanca 4, 218, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 600S, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

Crestron control and multi room audio via Meridian 258 amplifiers.
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#271410 - 2018-01-04 17:58 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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Hi Bruce,

Above someone mentioned a trade-in program for the HD621. Do you have any info or an idea how that will play? Something like what they did with the 861v4 trade-in for the v6?

Thanks.


861v8, HD621, DSP8000.2LR, DSP7200SEHC, M6 Rear, DSP33 Sides Oppo JVI Digital Oppo 203, Analysis Plus Digital Oval & Digital Crystal Cables, Shunyata Talos & Zitron Cobra PCs, and Panasonic Viera P65ZT60
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#271411 - 2018-01-04 18:01 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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So it's just a re-badged HD621 with a 4K part? How did that double the cost say, compared to new 200 Series Products which seem to offer better value for money $ for $?
I hope that there's good trade-in value on the HD621.

~M~


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#271412 - 2018-01-04 18:32 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: WorldAttorney]
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I have not heard of any trade in program yet. I am sure most dealers will work something out. I would offer something in the area of the current resale value of the HD621 ($750.00 ish).


www.cmbintegrations.com

Personal System #1 Theta Digital Cassablanca 4, 218, DSP8000.2SE, DSP7200SEHC, Revel F228be, Revel B112, Monitor Audio Silver 10, ATI 200WX5 Amp, JVC RS15, Shunyata Denali 600S, Black Diamond Zero Edge screen. QNAP TS-251 3TB
Mark Levinson No515 Turntable

Crestron control and multi room audio via Meridian 258 amplifiers.
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#271413 - 2018-01-04 18:37 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: CMB Integrations - Bruce]
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I met with Meridian America’s western sales manager in November and he told me there would be a trade-in program to upgrade from the HD621 to the UHD722. He did not have any further details at that time, nor have I heard anything else since. It hopefully will become clearer in February.

Wayne


System 1: 861v6+ID40, HD621, DSP3200 x3, DSW, analogue surr, Bel Canto S300, Sony XBR-75Z9D, Oppo UDP-203, Kaleidescape
System 2: 808.3 upgraded to 808v6, MC200, DSP8000.2 with SE Upgrade
System 3: F80
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#271446 - 2018-01-05 18:15 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Wayne]
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I sure hope that trade-in program brings costs much closer to around £1k, hopefully even less. The way it looks, the 722 is just another stopgap before the "real" solution shows up. Not that I need any of the new codecs now, but I'd have a much better feeling if they'd tell me the 722 can pass through the bitstream to a future 861v10 which does the decoding. At that point the 722 would be a better investment, because it looks like a regular 4k capable HDMI switch in combination with a HDfury and the HD621 is the better way to go.

I'm well aware Meridian is a high-end brand and given the £550 price tag for the already mentioned Trinnov upgrade, it might even seem fair. The difference is Trinnov does all the bells and whistles now while Meridian's solution for the endgame might be much, much more expensive.

Could also be a sign to sell the 861v8 and look into 271 + Trinnov or Datasat. Would be interesting to know if the Arcam 860 could be modified for digital output. Meridian already using Marantz processors for their demos speaks for itself. frown


- Stephan
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#271447 - 2018-01-05 18:37 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Stephan]
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Makes me laugh people trying to justify the price. I think Aston Martins are expensive so I dont buy one. So it's just a re-badged HD621 with a 4K part ie a 2k switch now doubles to 4k with an extra input and output - well if you need that functionality then pay the price.

It's a stopgap before the "real" solution. Well my Tesla is just a stopgap before my hydrogen fuel cell autonomous car arrives - in 20 years time. The 722 would have been sexier with an MQA capability though and a firmware upgrade for MQA pass-through on processors.


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#271449 - 2018-01-05 20:26 Re: UHD722 HDMI Processor 4K Switch [Re: Fitcaz]
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Originally Posted By Fitcaz
So it's just a re-badged HD621 with a 4K part ie a 2k switch now doubles to 4k with an extra input and output
Actually it quadruples the resolution, but that's just a technical detail. And don't worry, the functionality is already here and has been for years. It's just that Meridian’s way of doing it will show up in the near future and people will have to decide what's the best way to do it.

Originally Posted By Fitcaz
Well my Tesla is just a stopgap before my hydrogen fuel cell autonomous car arrives - in 20 years time.
You're missing the point. That car doesn't exist, it might in 20 years... maybe sooner, maybe later. 4k switching, pass through and decoding of new formats and channels has been around for a while and the majority of manufacturers targeting the home theater and custom installation market already support it.

Anything is a stopgap until something new comes around. 4k is a stopgap, same can be said for 8k. The point is, from a technological point of view the 722 is outdated already, the new technology is already available. I guess it catches up, but is still two steps behind. Reminds me alot about the HD621 situation when HD-DVD and Bluray came out and there was a looong wait for a solution to arrive and the solution was to decode in the source. This doesn't work anymore for everyone, since more and more devices just pass the bitstream. For new formats like Atmos, it doesn't work at all. Before the HD621 came out, I just bought another processor and used that for a while (in an analogue system). Thanks to Meridian and the 271 I could do the same now with my DSPs. The question is, do I want to... and I'm not alone asking this question.

Since Meridian doesn't share a future roadmap, there only seem to be three choices. 1.) Put the money into the 722 and replace it "soon" (by Meridian's standard that could be a long time though) with something that supports the new codecs and more channels. 2.) Leave things the way they are (3rd party switch + HDCP stripper + HD621) or replace 861+HD621 with a 271 + Trinnov/Datasat. I guess for those who don't mind to have something analogue between the source and the DSPs, any processor would work.

The existence of the 271 is what's making me wonder if we will get something more up-to-date in the future or they'll just tell people to buy a processor from someone else. For the latter, there really isn't a point investing in a 722 now, is there?


- Stephan
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