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#266866 - 2017-08-14 18:54 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: PWM]
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Originally Posted By PWM
As meridian do not support atoms in their processors there is no other option but to replace it (if you want atoms).
Heh, spot the Apple user with the autocorrect from Atmos to atoms smile I've unintentionally written atoms so many times recently...

Back on topic, I get that you'll need to use an Atmos processor, but it seems like you're then losing out in potential sound quality for "basic" surround (i.e. 95% of the surround content out there) and for stereo.

It seems like a 2 steps forward, 1 back scenario.. kinda surprised it's not part 861 with some of it's own intelligence tbh...

Originally Posted By Ludwig
They could also be hedging their bets. The 271 doesn't mean no "871" (see what I did there...). There could be two parallel development courses. Or not.
Hmm.. maybe, but I think I'm with PWM, if they are working on an Atmos processor and if it's anywhere near ready, then releasing the 271 now is an own goal. They should release the 871 (or whatever) first, let that soak up the big money sales and then release the 271 to catch those who have already bought into Trinnov/Datasat etc..

This sounds to me like the 861 isn't getting Atmos or any of the newer fancy stuff. Would love to be proven wrong however...


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#266868 - 2017-08-14 19:40 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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'Dolby atoms' - auto correct got me
Or it could be their new particle based audio codec which Meridian won't support either.


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#266871 - 2017-08-14 20:48 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: PWM]
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271 Datasheet

Provisional draft of data sheet for 271 . Hopefully Cedia will fill in some blanks :O)

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#266872 - 2017-08-14 21:37 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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Originally Posted By David Haworth
As far as I can see, it's not even acting as a switching pre-amp (is it?) allowing you to use, say a 818 or similar for critical stereo listening and your Trinnov for surround. Now all your audio comes through the 3rd party amp so surely at the high end, you're gaining in home theatre, but losing in stereo.
From the data sheet posted by Meridilien:
Quote:
SpeakerLink input for feeding your Meridian source
into your main left and right loudspeaker.
and again further down
Quote:
One SpeakerLink input for pass-through of two-channel digital audio (MQA compatible)
Would that not do it?


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#266873 - 2017-08-14 22:06 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: dBrowne]
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Originally Posted By dBrowne
Would that not do it?
Yes, to be fair, I suppose it would...

I assume one would plug in a Sooloos component in there ... or even an 818 maybe.

That would work for pure stereo, but I guess you still lose out on Trifield and the other presets?


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#266874 - 2017-08-14 22:17 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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The 818 has a Speakerlink in, on the left side of the photo in Duncan's info. The photo also shows another card with 2 Speakerlink outs, coax, optical etc. on another card. It could be down stream a processor or AC200. Seems connectivity options with and through the 818 could be plentiful. I don't have an 818 so I could be mistaken.


James
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FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
Edited by Mtns; 2017-08-14 22:42.
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#266875 - 2017-08-15 05:34 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Mtns]
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James I am with all your saying as that sounds logic to me.

The 271 is the tool what cinema and audio freaks need. Cinema via Trinnov and Stereo MQA audio purely over the SL Meridian.

Audio without MQA can be connected to the Trinnov or the 271.

The Trinnov is an excellent preamp, I don't expect an advantage from Meridian here transferred from my experience with the Trinnov Amethyst and my M.

To play Meridian's Trifield and other DSP presets, add also a M processor and use his outputs to feed the 271 via special cables. One choice could be the two RJ45 connections or the Digital DB25 connector.

Streaming : Either direct in stereo through the 218 or the 861/ID card with DSP presets.

And the absolute advantage is the usage of Trinnov's "OPTIMIZER" RC, that lift up every equipment to a higher listening level.

Well done from Meridian to bring up the new 200 series for new fields of applications and take back Meridian to survive.

A different way could be the "871", that then have to be a "tape loop" for the Trinnov.

To do so, the Trinnov add (for stereo and DSP presets Music) the RC and Meridian keep the MHR transfer to their speakers and have the MQA flow integrated and the possibility to extend that to MCh either discrete or in DSP presets mode.

And cinema freaks will also get what they want/need.


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#266904 - 2017-08-15 22:00 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: RobertW]
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Yep. It allows legacy equipment to go forward in Surround setups criminally cheap. I was very pleased with the 218, and, the SE upgrade for 2 channel, in North Carolina last month to my circa 2002-3 8Ks. So pleased I just took delivery of another 218 and a new pair of 8000SEs in my Florida home. I had to wait until company left to tell my wife about the incredible buying opportunity I had to pull the trigger on the next day, or miss. AMEX had not been paid for the upgrade. I love a woman who knows how to fold, big and with grace.


James
NC1: 861v4+ID40, 218, MS200 (to outdoors), DSP8000SE (upgraded). 5500VC, 5500s, Hsu Research ULS15x2, DirecTV, Oppo BD103, QNAP251, Roon
NC2-see FL 2 with Triad Silver Speakers

FL1: G61R, 218, DSP8000SEs, 5500HC, DSP6000s, MS600, DirecTv, Oppo BD103, QNAP469, Roon
FL2: Marantz 7005, M60s, M60C, M33s, Oppo BDP-93, MS200, Roon
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#266917 - 2017-08-16 13:53 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Mtns]
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Could the 271 be used directly connected to - say - an Oppo BDP-103, without a processor? The PCM audio steam from Bluray, decoded by the Oppo, fed directly into the DSP speakers?


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Movies: NAS -> Oppo BDP-93 -> HD621 -> G68D -> DSP8.2k + DSP5200HC front / DSP33 Rears
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#266919 - 2017-08-16 15:35 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: Jeje]
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Hi,

I presume that the 271 won't control the volume, so you'd need to do that elsewhere.

Brian


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System 2: G91A, MS200, DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
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#266920 - 2017-08-16 16:05 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: bxd]
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I presume it must control the volume, what else can?



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#266922 - 2017-08-16 16:07 Re: Meridian 271 and 251 [Re: David Haworth]
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Can't I control the volume with a MSR+ pointed at the DSP speakers?


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Movies: NAS -> Oppo BDP-93 -> HD621 -> G68D -> DSP8.2k + DSP5200HC front / DSP33 Rears
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