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#265898 - 2017-07-13 16:35 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
Originally Posted By ChrisLayerUK
What's more important is the fact that this work is being done.
That's a very good point ... compare the pace of development (and the user interaction) of Roon vs. Sooloos.

This is absolutely right.

But sorry to say this identifying MQA thing is a bit useless to me, and is certainly not an especially classical feature.

1.3 had a lot of new classical stuff, and development is continuing all the time and at many levels. Also, a lot of improvements have been achieved through development of the Roon metadata service, not even involving new Roon builds.


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#265903 - 2017-07-13 19:38 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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It means when you play a file and touch the shiny Dot the file path is revealed showing details.
Here, MQA is listed along with the Original sample rate.

Example. Stevie Nicks new Album is 48/24 MQA

Albert King 'Born under a bad sign' is 192/24 MQA etc


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#265932 - 2017-07-14 13:58 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
Have a quick scan at the Roon Software Release Notes Category, to see the extent and pace of changes and enhancements.
Thanks. That is indeed very reassuring.


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#265933 - 2017-07-14 14:00 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Ludwig]
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Originally Posted By Ludwig
1.3 had a lot of new classical stuff, and development is continuing all the time and at many levels. Also, a lot of improvements have been achieved through development of the Roon metadata service, not even involving new Roon builds.
If that means it'll work better without user intervention, I'm all for that!


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#265934 - 2017-07-14 14:01 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Originally Posted By ChrisLayerUK
It means when you play a file and touch the shiny Dot the file path is revealed showing details.
Here, MQA is listed along with the Original sample rate.

Example. Stevie Nicks new Album is 48/24 MQA

Albert King 'Born under a bad sign' is 192/24 MQA etc
Got it. Sounds cool!


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#265935 - 2017-07-14 14:02 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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I've read a little about tagging programs, and starting to get an idea (I think!).

So, currently, if I've ripped using, say, dBpoweramp, do I need to then use a separate tagger to add composers, or does it usually populate the correct fields for Roon to read?

Would it be just if I'd originally ripped using Sooloos that I might have to use an external tagger to get those bits right on a classical album, or is this only when the Roon metadata service doesn't recognise an album correctly?


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#265937 - 2017-07-14 14:25 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
...My advice is to take advantage of a Roon trial...

...I would strongly recommend not to just point Roon at the audio files on the MC200 (as those files if ripped by Sooloos are not tagged), you will get better Roon album identification results results by first performing a Sooloos native export (which imbeds the tags and creates the expected .../artist/album/dd_tt_track.format folder/file structure) and then set Roon up to watch that export...
@3dit0r
As Carl suggested some time ago, run a Sooloos export, start the free trial, point Roon at the export folder and try it out.


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#265946 - 2017-07-15 08:40 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Rolski]
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So I had some time last night and started the free trial, after reading the entire user guide in the KB.

I had a free trial when Roon first came out and wasn't sufficiently impressed to switch from Sooloos. Well, maybe this is because I'm now coming in on 1.3 with the latest updates to the way Classical is handled, but my instant impression, based on a couple of hours of setup and use is that Roon is now leaps and bounds ahead of Sooloos in most ways I've yet tried.

I did make the mistake of checking several tickboxes on initial install to give me suggestions in Tidal for various genres, which I quickly had to find a way to undo, but pointing Roon at a couple of different folders with music in (including my music2 folder on my MC200) was joyfully easy and very fast to pick up and identify most of the albums.

Yes, it's not identified a few albums, but I think some of these were Sooloos rips, rather than dBpoweramp ones. Some weren't identified correctly because I'd manually changed Artist to Composer when ripping/importing, but I found these mostly very easy to correct in Roon by simply changing the Composer back to Artist when searching for the correct album to identify. I can see a few places where it hasn't got multi-disc sets correct, or compilations, even when Roon thinks it's identified the album, so I'll have to look at those, but generally speaking in this area, I'm finding Roon is so much more powerful in terms of manual intervention if things do go wrong (although I still haven't been able to delete incorrect composers from one track, and have the changes actually reflect in the track listing/album despite multiple tries). I still find the distinction between Album Artist(s), Composers, Artists and Principle Artist(s) sometimes confusing in Classical works, though.

I don't find it's quite as fast as Sooloos in terms of scrolling through albums in Browse mode, although it is more graphically rich, so maybe that's just the price you pay? This is with core on the fastest computer I own (2013 MacBook Pro 15"/2.3Ghz i7/16GB RAM/500GB flash drive) so perhaps it's network latency, I should try it with the core on my wired network rather than wifi, I suppose.

In short, this is everything I thought Sooloos would be, and wasn't. So I'll be moving over to Roon now.

A couple of questions, if I may?

- Re: the advice to have a separate export of Sooloos library, can I export this to a different folder on my MC200 so I'm still getting use out of it? If so, is the procedure for this written up anywhere?

- When I perform this export, is there a way to filter out which tracks were ripped by Sooloos and which were just imported after a dBpa rip, because I still have all the dBpa rips on a hard drive anyway, and could just copy them across, which might save time?

I have some questions about which spec of computer to buy, as I can't run Roon on my work laptop indefinitely, but I think I'll post those over on the Roon forum as it's a little O/T here.


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#265947 - 2017-07-15 08:45 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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Sorry, one more question which is quite important to me -

I worked quite hard when ripping/importing to Sooloos, either natively or through dBpa, to make sure album art was as good as I could get it (even scanning album covers I couldn't find online at high res). I noticed that Roon seems to display inferior album covers it's found, seemingly ignoring mine. Is there a way to make it use my ones short of reloading the original cover file into each album individually? Or is this part of the export from Sooloos/Import to Roon process which I just have to get right?

Thanks!


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#265949 - 2017-07-15 09:07 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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You can choose to keep your own artwork.

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Edited by Ratbert; 2017-07-15 09:09.
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#265951 - 2017-07-15 09:52 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Ratbert]
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Brilliant. Thanks!


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#265953 - 2017-07-15 11:04 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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I just made the switch to Roon. If you're looking for a dedicated machine to run the core, I have had a great experience installing ROCK on a NUC. Plenty of feedback on the Roon forum.


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