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#265875 - 2017-07-12 21:54 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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On the other hand, look at these. The first shows part of the work list. Clicking on each work goes to a page which lists performances in whatever order you want. In the worklist the number to the right with the disc over it, is number of performances.

There's nothing like this in Sooloos and it's what you've always been waiting for if you're a classical collector.





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#265876 - 2017-07-12 23:20 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Ludwig]
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Thanks! That's really helpful to see some screenshots of how it actually works in practise. Can I ask if you had to, e.g., manually custom tag things to get it sorted that way, though?

I think one of my concerns is that the lesser handling of classical collections and compilations, etc., which never quite worked for me in Sooloos, but which I was always assured were 'on the roadmap' (I'm still waiting 5 years later, Meridian, if you're listening!) will carry over to Roon, to a degree at least. Posts like yours above give me hope, but then I get concerned when I find threads such as -

http://www.whatsbestforum.com/showthread.php?20450-Roon-absolutely-sucks-for-classical

The OPs reaction is uncannily similar to mine when I first owned Sooloos, and if someone is now reacting to Roon that way...? Is the OP there just using it wrong, or is Roon just still flawed in organising a classical collection in the way most collectors probably categorise their collection in their library/heads, or is it capable of it only if you have a considerable amount of time to custom tag every album? Does this also affect the integration of Tidal albums added to the Library (on my current free Tidal trial, Sooloos is pretty disastrous when adding classical albums to my library. E.g., I added La Traviata (Pavarotti/Joan Sutherland) and then couldn't find it in browse, which is how I tend to want to find my music, in order like it would be on my shelf as a CD. I clicked V for Verdi - nope. OK I clicked L for La Traviata - nope. P for Pavarotti - nope. S for Sutherland - nope. After much searching (and cursing) I finally found it had placed it under D for Dame (as in Dame Joan Sutherland). Really? Wow. Wheras I'm sure almost 100% of classical collectors brains would go Verdi->La Traviata->Principle Artist/Conductor->(Possibly Year). It just worries me that the devs ever thought the other way made any kind of sense (or that they knew it doesn't make sense but never found a way to fix it in Sooloos in however many years). And it's the same people, right?

Anyways, that's Sooloos, but I'm still trying to gauge exactly how many steps forward and back have been taken.


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#265880 - 2017-07-13 07:23 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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We have just had a major update from Roon which will help classical listeners. 1.3 Build 242
MQA is also identified in the signal path along with original file rate.


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#265882 - 2017-07-13 07:42 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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I warn you to be VERY careful of that thread. The one time I read it (completely, but it was some time ago) 90% of the complaints were simply user error and ignorance. Be warned! (Boy, do I hate the internet!)

Roon has a way to go before being the perfect classical product, but from day 1 it blew Sooloos out of the water for classical: largely because of the two views which I posted above. (I know some have perfect Sooloos grooming, but that's only the start.)

The handling of box sets is already more sophisticated in Roon, but there is more coming. For example I've discussed with them having an optional view of the contents of a box set NOT in track order, but in order of composer and work. That will make it much much easier to find the contents of classical boxes.

To get to your difficult question, yes grooming has to be done. And sometimes quite a lot, if you want a perfect view. But out of the box Roon is already doing a great job.


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#265883 - 2017-07-13 08:26 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Ludwig]
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Thanks guys. OK I'm reassured. Chris - what does that update with MQA do, I thought Roon already played that?

Ludwig - ha, yeah, the internet sucks!, right? 😉 I appreciate the clarification that it was mainly ignorance/inexperience on the part of the OP. That does sound like good progress is being made in Roon. Could you give an example of the type of scenario in which Roon requires grooming and in what way you'd do that?

If I export my whole Sooloos library (much of which was tagged in dBpoweramp),is there a 'best practice' or how to... which would help me get things right from the start in terms of getting the type of organisation you have there?


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#265885 - 2017-07-13 11:49 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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Originally Posted By 3dit0r
If I export my whole Sooloos library (much of which was tagged in dBpoweramp)
That's excellent as dBpa typically does a good job.

Originally Posted By 3dit0r
... is there a 'best practice' or how to...
Hi,

This a good start Roon Knowledge Base and search for "Tags".

Honestly, there's only a certain amount of generic advise that can be given ... you just need to go for it and experience Roon for yourself. Then any specific questions on Roon metadata handling that crop up can be addressed (over in the Roon forum).

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#265887 - 2017-07-13 12:10 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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It now displays MQA and the original file rate i.e. 192/24 in the signal path. Also work has been done so Bluesound devices can recognise MQA from Roon. Bluesound have to complete the work now.
What's more important is the fact that this work is being done.


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#265889 - 2017-07-13 12:17 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Originally Posted By ChrisLayerUK
What's more important is the fact that this work is being done.
That's a very good point ... compare the pace of development (and the user interaction) of Roon vs. Sooloos.


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#265894 - 2017-07-13 14:40 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
Originally Posted By 3dit0r
If I export my whole Sooloos library (much of which was tagged in dBpoweramp)
That's excellent as dBpa typically does a good job.

Originally Posted By 3dit0r
... is there a 'best practice' or how to...
Hi,

This a good start Roon Knowledge Base and search for "Tags".

Honestly, there's only a certain amount of generic advise that can be given ... you just need to go for it and experience Roon for yourself. Then any specific questions on Roon metadata handling that crop up can be addressed (over in the Roon forum).

Regards,
Carl


Thanks for the heads-up towards looking for tags. I've seen them mentioned in places on the Roon Knowledge Base, but still not entirely sure what they are or how to use them. I get your point about generic advice, but this is a good example, I think, of an assumed amount of knowledge to even make sense of discussions on the Knowledge Base which I often don't seem to have. Sometimes, one doesn't know enough to know what questions to ask, if that makes sense? I'm gradually getting a better idea through this thread, though, so thank you to all who are replying.


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#265895 - 2017-07-13 14:43 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: ChrisLayerUK]
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Originally Posted By ChrisLayerUK
It now displays MQA and the original file rate i.e. 192/24 in the signal path.
Sorry, Chris, I'm being thick. I still don't know what this means in practice. Do you mean that it displays this next to the track in the GUI when browsing Tidal, or any MQA files you own in your library, so you know what you're going to get in advance, so to speak?


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#265896 - 2017-07-13 14:45 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: Carl]
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Originally Posted By Carl
Originally Posted By ChrisLayerUK
What's more important is the fact that this work is being done.
That's a very good point ... compare the pace of development (and the user interaction) of Roon vs. Sooloos.
That is 100% important to me. My biggest concern having been a Sooloos user for many years isn't so much that there were issues, but there seemed to be little to no progress in fixing them. If Roon is continually and actively addressing them and really fixing them, that's pretty much all I need to know right there, I think.


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#265897 - 2017-07-13 16:29 Re: Is moving from Sooloos to Roon worth it? [Re: 3dit0r]
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Have a quick scan at the Roon Software Release Notes Category, to see the extent and pace of changes and enhancements.


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