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#264865 - 2017-05-31 06:25 C10 converting it to be a Roon Device
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I like my C10, but am wondering, since Sooloos/C10 is getting obsolete, whether it is possible to renew the C10 internally, in order to make it a Roon compatible device.

The most interesting issue is, I guess, is it possible to re-use the screen and make it function as an ordinary touch screen?


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#264868 - 2017-05-31 06:58 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: ClassicalJoy]
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What are your thoughts for doing this?


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#264897 - 2017-05-31 17:54 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ratbert]
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I wonder whether a Linux box and Roon could be made to work on it.

Drivers may be an issue.


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#264904 - 2017-06-01 06:10 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ratbert]
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Actually, I like the design of the C10 and find it very practical in use. Also, well I guess the technical challenge I find interesting. I'm researching all the ins and outs of switching to Roon (mainly to make my collection more futureproof)and it seems fun to convert a C10 to a Roon-capable device.


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#264906 - 2017-06-01 07:40 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: ClassicalJoy]
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As Meridian is for some just as much about the design as it is the audio, it would be nice if Meridian could facilitate the reuse of some great enclosures that now contain obsolete electronics.

By publishing engineering drawings, service instructions (i.e. how to dismantle some of the kit) and, a nice touch, original part numbers (if not Meridian specific) and specify/supply drivers for some of the parts of the kit that may not be so obsolete, people could reuse these enclosures, working parts and fix kit that Meridian no longer service by sourcing their own spares.

I would love to repurpose the cabinet and sound card of my MC200 as it would be unlikely now that Meridian may offer a Roon upgrade on Sooloos kit as was apparently part of their original plans when it was still Sooloos. It's still a great cabinet and more than adequate sound card, but the motherboard would be nice to replace and turn it into a Roon server.


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#264912 - 2017-06-01 17:57 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ian]
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Exactly!


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#264914 - 2017-06-01 18:25 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: ClassicalJoy]
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Have fun, personally I would buy a NUC download the free Roon ROCK operating system for it and then mount the NUC to a touchscreen display but to each their own.





Or go for something like this shocked



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#264917 - 2017-06-01 18:33 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ratbert]
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The biggest issue with converting a C10/C15 for Roon would be the screen type. IIRC the C10/C15 screens were single touch. I don't think you could swipe on them. Roon is designed for swipe.

However, if the screen could be replaced and be swipe-able and fit the 4:3 case then OK. That's a few if's.

But, I agree with Ratbert ... buy a nice touch screen monitor and a basic i3 NUC bolted to the back.


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#264918 - 2017-06-01 18:35 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: ncpl]
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Hi Nick

Or better still a NUC running ROCK and RoonServer and an iPad.

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#264922 - 2017-06-02 00:36 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ratbert]
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The C10 does look great though, I love mine, and it's easy enough to drive that my wife loves it too. I do find the touch screen a little basic and 'old fashioned' compared to modern screens.

My plan is similar, if it dies, I'll investigate pulling the guts out of a modern touchscreen monitor and fitting that in the C10 housing, whacking a NUC on the back, and running Roon or the Sooloos PC app.

A very simple alternative would be to use a 12" iPad on a Launchport stand, again, running Roon, or the Sooloos app.

Cheers,
Jason.


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#264988 - 2017-06-04 12:28 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: ncpl]
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I am aware that converting a C10 is not the most practical thing to do. I just hate to say goodbye to such a nice console. Of course, a NUC and just my HP Spectre with touchscreen is more practical. I think it's inevitable to have to say goodbye within a few years. I don't think it's easy to find a 3:4 multitouch screen that also fits in the C10, but if I do, I'll fit a NUC into it as well.


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#265406 - 2017-06-22 10:21 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ratbert]
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Originally Posted By Ratbert
Have fun, personally I would buy a NUC download the free Roon ROCK operating system for it and then mount the NUC to a touchscreen display but to each their own.
To be honest, the longer I think of it, the more it seems the best solution. I will consider this seriously.


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#265416 - 2017-06-22 16:06 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: ClassicalJoy]
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Are you sure that will work? I thought ROCK is fundamentally display-less. I would have thought you'd need either a NUC for the screen which is also running full Roon (under Windows, probably - so no ROCK in sight); or two NUCs, one for ROCK, and one for the touchscreen. (This is roughly what I do, for historical reasons.)


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#265475 - 2017-06-26 23:29 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ludwig]
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I just brought two C10s to the dump. I shed a tear leaving them there but they both failed at the same time. I have a TwinStore that is now useless since I don't have a component to run the Sooloos core. I have to bring it to my other Sooloos system to access and wipe it and put it up for sale. I have been combing the Roon forum and have already started my 14 day trial off my laptop with my iTunes library. I don't know what I was waiting for other than to say that my Sooloos experience has been terrific and I've had no reason to look at Roon. For me, it is a welcomed but unexpected upgrade.

My main library has been transferred to my NAS. I've ordered my NUC and I'll be installing ROCK. The only thing I am not looking forward to is retraining my family.

As slick as the C10/C15 is, the "long in tooth" analogy certainly applies.


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#265478 - 2017-06-27 08:37 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Dollar2]
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Hello Bill

Welcome to Roon, lots of help on the Roonlabs forum if you have any questions, just one point, you can use your TwinStore as a NAS it will just show on the network. It is best to reload it with the music in FLAC format rather than the encrypted Sooloos format. I had 6 TB disks in mine.

The three disadvantages I saw were:

1 Its size.
2 I's very noisy.
3 It's lack of diagnostics.

So I ended up moving to a QNAP NAS.

Cheers
Russ


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#265481 - 2017-06-27 12:07 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ratbert]
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Russ,

Thanks for the tip. Can the same be said for an MC600? I have two Sooloos systems. I exported my MC600 library to a NAS as FLAC files. I am still going to run the MC600 because I use the outputs. It would be convenient if I could move my unencrypted music library back to the MC600.


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#265489 - 2017-06-27 15:40 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Dollar2]
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I wonder if Roon sees all the outputs of the MC600 as zones. Never heard of anyone using that combo.

Roon operates much like Sooloos did with files being routed via the system core. So, if your core is a NUC the files can be anywhere on your network. If they are on the MC600 storage then they will go MC600-NUC-MC600 outputs. It doesn't matter too much but worth noting.


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#265491 - 2017-06-27 15:58 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: ncpl]
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Originally Posted By ncpl
I wonder if Roon sees all the outputs of the MC600 as zones. Never heard of anyone using that combination.
A question for Danny on the Roon forum?


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#265492 - 2017-06-27 16:21 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ratbert]
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I can confirm that Roon sees all six zones on the MC600. They pop right up just like any other M endpoint. I'm using it because I have it. It supplies music to my family room through two zones and feeds my AC200 in the den.


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#265493 - 2017-06-27 16:32 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Dollar2]
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Excellent, thanks for the update Bill.


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#265583 - 2017-07-01 14:02 Re: C10 converting it to be a Roon Device [Re: Ratbert]
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Has anyone ever tried putting in a new hard disk and see how far they can go from installing WIN versions starting with XP and then onwards until the functionality disappears with a lack of driver availability?

It should be seen as a Touchscreen Windows Computer on Win 7 as I bought two Sony touchscreen computers for my sons back in 2009 loaded with Win 7. If you get that far and have functionality you might just get there as a Roon device ????

Viruskiller maybe able to shut this thinking out aloud idea down real quickly but just putting it out there.

If it doesn't work, back in with the Sooloos hard drive and all is restored.

Cheers,

Steve M


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