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#264385 - 2017-05-18 19:23 G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working
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Just plugged it all in as discussed. I have only front L and R speakers. Why won't the centre and rears work?


G65, HD621, 5x DSP5200SE, MC200.
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#264386 - 2017-05-18 19:39 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Toony

You'll need to give us some more to play with and provide details of how you have your system currently cabled.

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Main: G68J, 218 HD621, 3*5200s (2 SE L&R),DSW, 2* Reviver, 3200s,SBT, PS4, Amazon TV Fire, Dune Base 3.0, Xbox, NUC (Roon server & Kodi)
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#264388 - 2017-05-18 19:50 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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I have the 218 between G65 and FL and FR. Master G65 to 218 in. Outputs to FL FR.

But now G65 stopped sending communication to centre RR and LR and centre. The G65 should have no knowledge of the 218 being inserted so very random.


G65, HD621, 5x DSP5200SE, MC200.
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#264389 - 2017-05-18 19:56 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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My front L is my master. Fed from 218. Did someone mention something about this a few hours ago? Something about needing to run comms cable?


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#264390 - 2017-05-18 19:58 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: TartanB]
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Originally Posted By TartanB
Up and running with my 218 sitting in the middle of my 7.1 system!

Got my 218 late Monday afternoon, only got round to trying to hook it all up this morning.

Inserted the 218 between the 861 SL master Front output and the front left speaker - i.e. 861 Front master output -> 218 SL input, 218 SL output -> Front left speaker SL input.

Changed all the sources on the 218 setup program (e.g. Radio, TV etc) to use the SL input, except for SLS which I left as default (i.e. Sooloos).

Used my iPad Sooloos app to select Tidal favourite MQA albums from streaming via the 218 into my 7200SE's, displays correctly showed e.g. 192K MQA for Roberta Flack.

All worked perfectly UNTIL I tried to move away SLS to another source which would be handled in entirety by the 861. Bad News, I ONLY got front Left and Right speakers (as per the previous MQA running), rather than the appropriate Multi channel DSP outputs. The other speakers were clearly not aware that they were supposed to be back in action.

Tried loads of different things with no luck. Then it was suggested that I insert a BNC comms cable between my Left speaker (BNC output) to one of the non front speakers. Easiest option for me was to connect the Front left to my centre speaker. Everything now works perfectly.

It's clunky behind the scenes of course, but nobody sees that, the BNC cable can remain there for ever as far as I am concerned. Thank goodness for legacy connectors on M kit!Perhaps in due course there will be a firmware fix to solve this properly?

So Toony, although you were asking about incorporating a 218 in an all SL 5.1 system with a G65, the major difference between that and my system is just the 861 processor. You too will hopefully be able seamlessly switch between MQA and multichannel.


Ok. This is the issue. Where do i get one of these cables to run betweeen FL AND FC?


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#264392 - 2017-05-18 20:17 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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How can running a cable FL to FC make the rears turn on.

There is only 1 way communication to DSP5200 speakers over SL. The speakers cannot talk to the G65 so strange that this solution is possible. Do we need to run a BNC cable to every speaker?

Meridian clearly taking the piss with this. How can they not test something so basic before sending a product like this out. One of the main functions of the 218 is to integrate into a 5.1 system.


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#264395 - 2017-05-18 21:09 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Hi,

Carefully follow the instructions posted by TartanB (as you posted elsewhere). The suggestion was to use a BNC to BNC (male) lead (available from MI' in the restaurant or probably from Amazon or eBay _ a video BNC to BNC lead would do just fine).

Brian


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#264400 - 2017-05-18 21:50 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Can you confirm what Type your speakers are and which one is the master?

Also what cables are you using ..

I don't think Meridian have been pushing this for a 5.1 integration. There are lots of potential combinations of speakers comms and connectors with a Meridian 5.1 system.

I'm sure the board will get you working.

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#264401 - 2017-05-18 21:57 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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I am fully Cat cabled. HD621 into G65. I have 5 DSP5200SE. My FL is the master. I have 218 between G55 and front speakers using cat cable. All is fine but rears and centre dont work when i switch to TVs DVD etc.

BNC comms from FL to FC is suggested solution but how does this work and switch on the rears?


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#264402 - 2017-05-18 22:04 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Do you run individual cat 5 cables to each speaker i.e. 2 from 218 and 3 from processor .. if not please can you provide more details

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#264403 - 2017-05-18 22:13 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Just one BNC to BNC cable is required and you can run it to any speaker in your setup that has been left isolated - i.e. other the 2 fronts. I chose the centre because it was closest. My 861 has 4 independent SL cables to fronts, centre, rear and sides. I suspect however the comms side of things is effectively bidirectional. In the legacy setups of old you used to have one daisy chained set of serial comms cables passing on the comms commands to the next speaker in the chain (like turn up volume, switch to standby etc). I assume in SL world even although pairs of speakers are indepenantly SL wired from other pairs, these comms commands still find themselves being magic'ed across to all speakers.

I had one of these cheap red/black phono cables lying around that comes with TV's etc. I also had a couple of phono to BNC connectors, so made up my cable that way. You'll be able to source from any local electronics shop.

Only problem I had thereafter as I posted was that MQA to the fronts then got supplemted by unwanted signals to for example the centre. This was because I originally had Trifield as my preferred DSP setting for for Sooloos. As someone subsequently suggested the solution to that was simply to change my setup so that Sooloos on the 861 would deliver Stereo instead.


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#264404 - 2017-05-18 22:25 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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Do you run individual cat 5 cables to each speaker i.e. 2 from 218 and 3 from processor .. if not please can you provide more details
That's exactly correct. Plus one to the 218.


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#264405 - 2017-05-18 22:33 Re: Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced! [Re: TartanB]
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TartanB,

Interesting idea. I have MC200 under CD button and 218 under SLS as I thought they were both Sooloos sources. Guess I could make an SLS source on G65 as a dummy and keep CD for MC200.


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#264406 - 2017-05-18 22:38 Re: Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced! [Re: Toony]
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Have you actually tested BNC comms to a rear speaker, It may not work? Possibly master FL to FC will work. I was told that in a 5.1 Meridian system the centre should be the master.

I have found cable at Maplin for 8 pound.


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#264418 - 2017-05-19 07:14 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Thanks Toony ... sorry for all of the questions.
A couple more.

Did you move your TV connection to the 218?

If you change source on the 218 does it change on the G65?

Thanks


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#264424 - 2017-05-19 07:40 Re: Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced! [Re: Toony]
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Hi Toony,

Yes, both the MC200 and the 218 are Sooloos sources (end points). The idea is to use the 218 for MQA playback (until a simpler solution come along). MQA is currently only in stereo, so you'll only use the FL & FR speakers for playback.

However, you can still use the MC200, connected directly to the G65 for playback with the DSP modes engaged (e.g. Trifield being the obvious one). The G65 will do that processing.

In a Meridian 5.1 system the centre speaker doesn't have to be the master _ I use the FL speaker as the master with the centre as a slave.

Brian


Main: G65, MD600, MS600, 218, 598DP, HD621, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & D1500.
System 2: G91A, MS200, DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
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#264430 - 2017-05-19 09:50 Re: Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced! [Re: bxd]
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Hi Brian

Not wishing to complicate matters, but the 218 also has a coaxial digital output so you should be able to redirect the Sooloos/Roon stream to the processor which would negate the requirement for the MS200 (at least that is my take on it)

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#264432 - 2017-05-19 10:00 Re: Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced! [Re: GMT]
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Hi Tom,

I was just trying to keep things simple leaving the MC200 (rather than a MS200) connection to the G65 untouched.

Obviously, by using the digital output from the 218, you could free up the MC200 to be used in another zone.

Brian


Main: G65, MD600, MS600, 218, 598DP, HD621, DSP5200SE, DSP5200HCSE, M6 & D1500.
System 2: G91A, MS200, DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
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#264436 - 2017-05-19 10:31 Re: Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced! [Re: bxd]
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I hear you !


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#264443 - 2017-05-19 11:11 Re: Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced! [Re: GMT]
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Originally Posted By GMT
Not wishing to complicate matters, but the 218 also has a coaxial digital output so you should be able to redirect the Sooloos/Roon stream to the processor which would negate the requirement for the MS200 (at least that is my take on it).
Won't that create a feedback loop if purposely/inadvertently the processor then feeds back into 218?


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#264444 - 2017-05-19 11:22 Re: Meridian 218 Zone Controller Announced! [Re: Ian]
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I can see what you are getting and given that there is no option on the 218 to id a processor it seems even more likely. Maybe someone can try a Trifield test from a 218 source. (My centre is not working yet).

My head hurts!

Cheers
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#264445 - 2017-05-19 11:26 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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Originally Posted By GMT
Did you move your TV connection to the 218?

If you change source on the 218 does it change on the G65?
Yes it changes on both. Everything goes through G65.


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#264448 - 2017-05-19 12:28 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Hi Toony,

Shouldn't you do what TartanB did?
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Changed all the sources on the 218 setup program (e.g. Radio, TV etc) to use the SL input, except for SLS which I left as default (i.e. Sooloos).
You should leave the TV (optical?) connected to the G65.
Make a single SL connection (master L+R) output from the G65 to the 218.

Therefore, when you select TV on the MSR+, the G65 will switch to that input. Meanwhile, the 218 will switch to the SL input, so it will 'see' the SL output from the G65.

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System 2: G91A, MS200, DSP5000 (96/24v1), DSP3300.
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#264449 - 2017-05-19 12:50 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: bxd]
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My TV is a Humax box into HD621 then G65. Everything written above is exactly what I have done.


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#264450 - 2017-05-19 13:04 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Hi,

OK, you shouldn't have to worry about your TV input _ the HD621 should be connected to the MMHR or the multichannel digital inputs (e.g. MD-1) on the G65.

Brian


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#264451 - 2017-05-19 13:11 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: bxd]
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Toony

Do you get different behaviours if you use different remotes.

The MSR remote works via your controller (G65?).

When you change sources and adjust volumes with the MSR does that work with the centre and rear speakers?

I am trying to establish where your comms is broken.

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#264454 - 2017-05-19 13:36 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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Rears and centre do not turn on full stop since adding the 218


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#264456 - 2017-05-19 15:19 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Can you try setting the 218 to controller and then restart. (218 - Comms configuration)


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#264457 - 2017-05-19 16:05 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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What does this mean?


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#264458 - 2017-05-19 16:52 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Hi Toony

I'm assuming that you know what a controller is, but let me know if you don't.

Have you been able to access the 218 configuration program yet? There is an area where you can change the comms configuraiton. This area allows you to make the 218 a controller. I was suggesting that you make this configuration change. Then store the setting and then restart the 218 by removing the power and reinserting.

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#264459 - 2017-05-19 17:08 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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I have already configured it in the config program. Everything set to SL apart from when SLS is selected. So it is a controller?

This is all setup fine but my centre and rears dont work anymore


G65, HD621, 5x DSP5200SE, MC200.
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#264460 - 2017-05-19 17:19 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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I have got the rears and centre working again by connnecting FL to FC with BNC cable.


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#264461 - 2017-05-19 17:23 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Great news!


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I am trying to create a phantom input on G65 for the SLS button that will be set as stereo to turn off rear speakers when listening to MQA. I have made another MC200 and set DSP presets to stereo discrere stereo discrete.

When I now select SLS on G65 it displays SLS on display but DSP stays on whatever it was before but the rear and centre do stop so it's obviously doing job. I guess it won't display stereo as there is no audio input on SL2.

One snag I think is if my Humax box is playing a genuine 5.1 output then my DSP settings above will trigger as discrete and I will still get the rears playing.

Any thoughts?


G65, HD621, 5x DSP5200SE, MC200.
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#264472 - 2017-05-19 21:54 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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I would be tempted to leave your system alone for a while and give it a good test before creating new phantom sources. It will be much easier to troubleshoot if something goes wrong down the line.

I would start by testing sources and DSP with app and MSR.

If you really want to go further now, I might consider a rollback to pre 218 to see if your customisation worked as intended before the 218 was introduced. You may still have some commms issues.


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#264474 - 2017-05-19 23:39 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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I have everything up and running now. Just needed a comms cable.

All source switching works perfectly now.

My only comcern is what the 218 is adding to the g65 output when acting as a SL passthrough. There are loads of settings in the 218 that look like they may further adjust the signal before reaching the DSP's.


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#264495 - 2017-05-21 07:17 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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I've been thinking about your phantom source.

If the source is from the 218 then you will only be able to achieve stereo. My reason for thinking this is that you can only have one input on the 218. If you play Soooloos\Roon you are using the network input. You cannot simultaneously input audio fro the Speakaerlink in so nothing can come back from the processor. On the G65 you should make the DSP stereo only for the 218/Sooloos source.

If you want to play Sooloos/Roon in Trifield for non mqa material you should have the MC200 attached to the 65 as before and give it it's own source button and set the DSP modes that you want to use with it.

Cheers
Tom


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#264497 - 2017-05-21 10:58 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: GMT]
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Originally Posted By GMT
I've been thinking about your phantom source.

If the source is from the 218 then you will only be able to achieve stereo. My reason for thinking this is that you can only have one input on the 218. If you play Soooloos\Roon you are using the network input. You cannot simultaneously input audio fro the Speakaerlink in so nothing can come back from the processor. On the G65 you should make the DSP stereo only for the 218/Sooloos source.

If you want to play Sooloos/Roon in Trifield for non mqa material you should have the MC200 attached to the 65 as before and give it it's own source button and set the DSP modes that you want to use with it.

Cheers
Tom


This is what i have done. I can listen to MC200 through g65 or through 218. I have phantom source on g65 for when SLS button activates 218 the g65 goes to stereo switching off rears


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#264498 - 2017-05-21 11:10 Re: G65 with a 218 - only front L/R working [Re: Toony]
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Nice .. I'm with you now.. optical into 218 and Speakerlink into G65.

Is there an instance where you think you may use the MS200 into the 218, over just using the 218's built in Sooloos?

Cheers
Tom


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