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#263407 - 2017-04-21 14:44 Placing my speakers in a niche ?
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Hello,

I need to reorganise my mess as I am doing some work at home and WAF is asking me if I would place my lovely DSP5200 in a niche.

Here is a picture for you to understand.

Basically, expanding the current 2 cabinets painted in black to place the 2 front DSPs and creating a center cabinet for the DSP5200C.

Will I lose anything in terms of sound quality ?, shall put anything on the cabinet wall floor and ceiling to improve the sound ?

Thank you

PS : sorry I don't know what would be the correct word for those little places behind the speakers.


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#263413 - 2017-04-21 15:47 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: Sapiens]
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I would go for a pair on in-wall DSP's in that case (if you cannot educate your other 1/2). They will have back boxes and drivers designed for that application.

Placing the 5200's in a box like that will probably have undesirable effects. The 5200 are lower rear ported IIRC.

Given that you will make a huge mess to make the wall and speakers fit the risk of it sounding *x??^!! as a result would be huge.

I would go plan B


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#263417 - 2017-04-21 18:41 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: ncpl]
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Hi Nick
Whilst I agree with your In Wall recommendation the OP looses SE capability, or do you know that In Wall SE versions are on the way?

Hector


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#263418 - 2017-04-21 19:04 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: Hector]
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Maybe investigate DSP3100's ? They aren't back ported and are smaller than your current speakers. Also, not current, so a bargain if you can source a pair.


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#263419 - 2017-04-21 19:31 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: MJT5282]
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But surely they aren't designed for an enclosure? Ideally, the OP wants a speaker which only radiates forwards, which in-walls (of various makes) are designed to do.


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#263420 - 2017-04-21 19:50 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: VirusKiller]
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I had custom built-in shelves built for my DSP3100's at my holiday home and the worked fine. Perhaps not Audiophile quality, but I was happy with the result (flush to the cabinet). There was an inch around perhaps but it looks tidy.

I agree that the DSP in-walls are a great choice but they are probably multiples of 3100's and also probably not upgradable to MQA (like the 3100's of course).


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#263421 - 2017-04-21 19:54 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: VirusKiller]
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I think I would work on the wife as the 5200SE are going to outperform in walls and he will take a massive hit on depreciation on the exchange. Compromise by building the centre into the cabinet but leave the 5200SE free standing for two channel, while hiding the wires. Fill in the niches behind the speakers. That shouldn't look too bad.


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#263426 - 2017-04-21 20:49 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: Sapiens]
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The purists obviously dread the thought of compromising the performance of their speakers. However sometimes aesthetics have got to be respected, particularly if it keeps the peace in your household.

I opted when building the front stage of my HT to focus on the looks. Whilst I haven't quite 'boxed in' my 7200 front speakers, the photo below shows that they are sat within a confined space. If there is a drop off in SQ then I am totally unaware of it, I am very happy with the sound from the fronts.



If there are any issues, then it purely concerns my centre speaker, which is a bit of a snug fit, with just a few mm space around it. As a result there might be a bit of boomyness associated with the lower frequencies (from the centre only), which we don't notice in the HT itself. However allegedly it can be heard/felt in the room above(?). If I was redesigning the setup I would definitely try to allow a more sensible clearance all around that particular speaker.

btw a big plus with siting each SE7200 front in it's own alcove is they are very much out of harms way.


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#263453 - 2017-04-22 08:56 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: TartanB]
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Sometimes I forget how lucky I am that my fiancée loves the HT setup as much as I do. She even recently encouraged me to redecorate the walls in grey to improve projector black levels (although it was a Farrow and Ball heritage grey). And they say romance is dead! 😉


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#263454 - 2017-04-22 09:31 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: 3dit0r]
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We just did some F&B Heritage here too. Must be popular wink


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Nick

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#263455 - 2017-04-22 09:32 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: ncpl]
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Having just redecorated a bathroom with F&B it might have been cheaper to use £50 notes as wallpaper...

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#263460 - 2017-04-22 11:40 Re: Placing my speakers in a niche ? [Re: dpstjp]
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Makes good outdoors paint too. We have done front of house, side of garage and a garden wall.

I use to collect from Islington but it seems more widely available these days.


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